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JFairfax posted:Yeah I don't think they're the main cause, but they are getting away with spreading classic. Fascist propaganda with no repercussions. No it wasn't, it was LOOOOOOKKKK AAAATTTTT MMMMMEEEEEEEE, the murder of 49 people is actually about MEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!
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goddamnedtwisto posted:No it wasn't, it was LOOOOOOKKKK AAAATTTTT MMMMMEEEEEEEE, the murder of 49 people is actually about MEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! That's every Twitter post ever
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How does an innocent person become a killer? Well the simple answer is they do a killing.
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Rarity posted:Capitalism is absolutely the root cause of most mass shootings Well quite 
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Gengis Khan killed people as fast as the Nazis. People have always been awful
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quote:The government contractor Interserve is to go into administration after its largest shareholder, the US hedge fund Coltrane, led a rebellion against financial rescue plans drawn up by the company’s lenders. But private enterprise is so much more efficient!
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JFairfax posted:Gengis Khan killed people as fast as the Nazis. He didnt discriminate against anyone...he killed everyone though.
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Yeah i mean of course you can kill faster if you don't have to sort them first
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Junior G-man posted:But private enterprise is so much more efficient! It is very efficient at funnelling money out of the economy into the pockets of the hyper wealthy yes.
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JFairfax posted:Gengis Khan killed people as fast as the Nazis.
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CyberPingu posted:He didnt discriminate against anyone...he killed everyone though. I'm talking about when the Nazis had already sorted them. Anyway my point is the violence of fascism is not unique, neither is the hatred. But I think fascism can only exist in a post industrial revolution capitalist society where the technology exists to distribute propoganda effectively.
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https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1106577672971452416 Jess Philips somehow always manages to look so chummy with the Tories.
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1106577672971452416 I think she likes Tories OP
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https://twitter.com/replouiegohmert/status/1106542079335952384 I wasn't expecting "Why didn't the shooter simply campaign to have the Muslims forcefully deported peacefully?" to be something someone pushed but here we are. Decorum politics.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Yeah i mean of course you can kill faster if you don't have to sort them first Well he did sort them. All women and males under X height go into the slave bin, males taller than X go into the beheading bin.
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Lord Stimperor posted:Well he did sort them. All women and males under X height go into the slave bin, males taller than X go into the beheading bin. also fun fact, the genocide in Rwanda occurred at a faster rate than the holocaust.
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JFairfax posted:I think she likes Tories OP She serves an important purpose for them because they get to pretend they have a dead working class chum. She is a professional disingenuous gobshite and an absolute loving disgrace and it says a lot that it has landed her a regular spot on This Week 
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Lord Stimperor posted:Well he did sort them. All women and males under X height go into the slave bin, males taller than X go into the beheading bin. By making the measuring stick particularly sharp that could be reduced to a 1-step process.
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There seems to be something hosed up about people where a tiny percentage of us just go on rampages occasionally using whatever tools we can get our hands on to kill as many people as possible from some group we arbitrarily decided to hate. I’m not sure that having a fairer society would have stopped these arseholes or Breivik for that matter. Nothing suggests they’re responding to the crushing despair of living under capitalism or some kind of competition over scarce resources; it’s pure brainwashing to believe that Muslims are evil, followed with a call to action.
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JFairfax posted:also fun fact, the genocide in Rwanda occurred at a faster rate than the holocaust. That's, that's not fun at all!! 
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Beefeater1980 posted:There seems to be something hosed up about people where a tiny percentage of us just go on rampages occasionally using whatever tools we can get our hands on to kill as many people as possible from some group we arbitrarily decided to hate. Christians killing muslims for spurious reasons is not exactly a new thing though. This is one of the reasons why religion is so loving insidious. I mean christians killing muslims is probably one of the longest running traditions of western europe.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:That's, that's not fun at all!! Rwanda also proved that one didn't need industrial murder to kill on a faster rate than the Holocaust - all it needed was crowds with machetes and the radio tower
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And that's not to mention all the intra religious stuff, shia vs sunni, catholic v protestant, protestant v protestant, snake handling baptist v mongoose handling baptist.
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Beefeater1980 posted:There seems to be something hosed up about people where a tiny percentage of us just go on rampages occasionally using whatever tools we can get our hands on to kill as many people as possible from some group we arbitrarily decided to hate. I think there's a lot of different pressures and factors coming in from different angles that'd potentially shove someone into that position. While I've talked about blaming capitalism and seeing it as leaving people vulnerable to influence, I'd agree with this and other posts that it's not some kind of sole cause. There's a great deal of things spoken in this discussion that aren't mutually exclusive. It's my opinion that these likely all weave into a thick tapestry that depicts the long history of tribal violence from the dawn of civilisation to the current day.
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Actually I wonder if at some point we’re going to find out that seeing their political views affirmed online is affecting people’s brains like alcohol or drugs, where you get a dopamine surge but you build up a tolerance so you seek out more and more until whoops was that five bottles? It’s at least plausible that the substance of what people are angry about - whether that’s something real like the oppression of Palestinians or something imaginary like white extinction or a western plot to conquer Mecca- doesn’t matter at all, and that all that matters is being vulnerable and caught in a loop of permanent outrage. If so, maybe there’s a CBT way to deradicalise people before they start murdering.
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white US evangelical vs. the concept of humanity surviving
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ronya posted:Rwanda also proved that one didn't need industrial murder to kill on a faster rate than the Holocaust - all it needed was crowds with machetes and the radio tower If you read the minutes of the Wannsee Conference (or watch Conspiracy), it's pretty clear that it wasn't outright speed the Nazis wanted - the Einsatzgruppen were plenty quick enough - but *efficiency*. Shooting the Jews and other undesirables was too expensive in terms of manpower and ammunition (and they were worried about the burnout rate of the poor murderers). In a weird way that's part of the horror of the Holocaust - other genocides you can say were the work of just anger and fervor, something outside of rationality, but the Holocaust was treated like an interesting industrial process, with cold hard logic.
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Therapy requires active participation from the client and is thus only effective on the willing.
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They definitely getting a bribe if they're meeting hammond https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1106545999814819842
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Personally I hold Tony Blair responsible for this stuff. Launching a crusade against muslims that is continuing to this day. That's why I give him poo poo for being a closet Catholic, I'd make the argument that the Iraq war for Blair was another Catholic crusade and if you know anything about them you know that poo poo lasted for hundreds of years with conflict. I thought at the time that going into Iraq would create a multi-generation conflict and so it proves to be the case.
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Beefeater1980 posted:There seems to be something hosed up about people where a tiny percentage of us just go on rampages occasionally using whatever tools we can get our hands on to kill as many people as possible from some group we arbitrarily decided to hate. ronya posted:Rwanda also proved that one didn't need industrial murder to kill on a faster rate than the Holocaust - all it needed was crowds with machetes and the radio tower
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Azza Bamboo posted:Therapy requires active participation from the client and is thus only effective on the willing. The other CBT, then.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:If you read the minutes of the Wannsee Conference (or watch Conspiracy), it's pretty clear that it wasn't outright speed the Nazis wanted - the Einsatzgruppen were plenty quick enough - but *efficiency*. Shooting the Jews and other undesirables was too expensive in terms of manpower and ammunition (and they were worried about the burnout rate of the poor murderers). In a weird way that's part of the horror of the Holocaust - other genocides you can say were the work of just anger and fervor, something outside of rationality, but the Holocaust was treated like an interesting industrial process, with cold hard logic. also there was the psychological impact on the troops carrying out the mass murder. by the time the extermination camps had been set up and refined, the process of murdering hundreds of people at a time had been streamlined so that a handful of people could carry it out, and the clean up would be done by jews.
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Oh on an actual happy note the mixed-sex civil partnerships bill received final parliamentary approval today. That means the first legal mixed-sex civil partnerships by the end of the year, and hopefully a renewed push for same-sex marriage in NI.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The other CBT, then. https://twitter.com/espyramid/status/976856220454850562?lang=en
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Beefeater1980 posted:There seems to be something hosed up about people where a tiny percentage of us just go on rampages occasionally using whatever tools we can get our hands on to kill as many people as possible from some group we arbitrarily decided to hate. Beefeater1980 posted:Actually I wonder if at some point we’re going to find out that seeing their political views affirmed online is affecting people’s brains like alcohol or drugs, where you get a dopamine surge but you build up a tolerance so you seek out more and more until whoops was that five bottles? I often wonder when things like this happen if the ostensible rationale given by the perpetrator for their actions should really be taken at face value, particularly when it is an individual acting alone. I mean there definitely is a certain kind of personality that will be driven to do things just for the attention it gets them and the ensuing debate about radicalisation of whatever kind will take place despite such a person not actually having been radicalised at all, but just passing themselves off as such as a means to an end :/
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Jose posted:They definitely getting a bribe if they're meeting hammond Are they seriously trying for the "ok northern Ireland can stay in the EU whatever, the rest of the UK is still hosed lmao" plan?
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JFairfax posted:I'm talking about when the Nazis had already sorted them. Wasn't one of the biggest leaps in fascist propaganda the loudspeaker? A way to directly bombard individuals with propaganda in a way that can't be easily ignored with little ways of repercussion toward the spreader. You no longer had to get people to make a movie, read a leaflet that was destined for the bin the moment it was handed out, you could just yell far away from the threat of any anti-fascists. e: what I'm trying to get at is Social Media with how ubiquitous it's become has a similar effect. There's no need to spend time, effort and money when they can just create a bombardment of shitposts mixed with propaganda in a lazy afternoon.
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What the gently caress https://twitter.com/MarkDiStef/status/1106584434164359170
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