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Guavanaut posted:Been with that duchess again? three old ladies
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RottenK posted:no, the other CBT Ah yes, mopeds and light motorcycles against racism 
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The other CBT, then. Fascists on motorbikes? E: gently caress sake.
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Regarde Aduck posted:Nobody was forced to respond to Rakosi but hey look, he got banned.
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Guavanaut posted:Bought his way out of it already I see. $10 more to the Lowtax spine fund. If only there were a real life way to turn racism into healthcare.
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Mar 15, 2019 18:31
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OwlFancier posted:If only there were a real life way to turn racism into healthcare. Racists have perfectly good organs, excepting the brain
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Dunno necessarily how I feel about metal gear rising tommy robinson's spine out and giving it to lowtax tbh. Might contain enough racism in the CNS to be contagious. That's how you get some kind of racist kuru.
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Obliterati posted:Racists have perfectly good organs, excepting the brain The brain would be more saleable than most: Perfectly good brain never used.
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OwlFancier posted:If only there were a real life way to turn racism into healthcare. Well, most except all the angry pork men shouting "it's not the International Health Service" whenever a third generation British Asian person gets emergency treatment faster than they get their blood pressure prescription renewed. Be nice if we could keep it going without those things though.
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lol the house of lords voted to make Adonis stfu
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Hope it ends with him fighting them in a car park.
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I knew american uni costs were insanely bad but jfc https://twitter.com/dailyfreepress/status/1106580114584883200
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Obviously need a rich, vaguely famous Mum to "donate" to the University.
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Don't forget to factor in the cost of bribery. Edit drat it, too slow
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communism bitch posted:three old ladies
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Jose posted:I knew american uni costs were insanely bad but jfc Creating a system where entering into a loan for this amount is required to get a job is surely a modern form of indenture?
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OwlFancier posted:I think it does come in different forms and once you get used to externalizing your desire for suffering it becomes a lot harder to deal with it being directed back at you again. And yes there are people who just start out externalizing it and never had any tolerance for it being done to them, self inflicted or otherwise, but I do think there's overlap in the young, online, alt right between the two, moreso than the more traditional right. Oh definitely, I was just trying to get away from the idea that people are malicious without it being based in personal beliefs, prejudices or whatever. Whether it's people who've suffered or it's people with comfortable lives who want to kick down, they're still coming from the same place, wanting to see another group hurt because "they deserve it" based on some moral calculus But yeah I agree that it seems to be a bigger overlap with the online crowd - and this is where I don't really agree with twisto tbh, online communities and social media especially are a catalyst, in the sense that they enable normalisation of right wing views and radicalisation to happen much more quickly and easily. The traditional right generally attracts people who are already in the tank, and aware enough that they'll identify with these openly hard-right groups. Bringing people over took effort, and relied a lot on a local presence But now it's everywhere, all shades of right-wing thought are represented, your relatives can all go on Facebook and share their shittiest thoughts and get cheered on by everyone else, you can watch fun youtubes with comforting narratives that direct you towards other right-wing communities, and you can go on a chan where the absolute worst of humanity is celebrated and posted for laughs, and even bring your buddies along when you massacre people to the tune of some memes and bantz, and maybe none of them even live in your country This isn't "shut all social media down" because duh, but it's absolutely a powerful platform and a way to effectively exploit people's tendencies and situations to build solid communities drawn from across the globe. The reach is incredible, plus it's so tied into traditional media (sharing news stories and commenting on them - hell even commenting on the news item itself) that even the start of the slippery slope is legitimised. It's an integral part of the (global) society we need to fix sorry about the megaposts into the void, it's my birthday and I'm pissed!! (not in the good way)
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TACD posted:i’m not familiar with bingo, what number is this?
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Azza Bamboo posted:Creating a system where entering into a loan for this amount is required to get a job is surely a modern form of indenture? honestly this really is just the logical conclusion of the neoliberal project of education, wherein it's just an investment like any other they are entitles to charge as much as they please for this commodity, and to make it more attractive
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baka kaba posted:Oh definitely, I was just trying to get away from the idea that people are malicious without it being based in personal beliefs, prejudices or whatever. Whether it's people who've suffered or it's people with comfortable lives who want to kick down, they're still coming from the same place, wanting to see another group hurt because "they deserve it" based on some moral calculus Happy Birthday  We should never exploit people 
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Guavanaut posted:The origin of the NHS owes more than most would like to admit to imperialism and nationalism. Can you expand on that?
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it's also a part of the liquidation of the middle class/the top classes tightening their grip on the 'meritocracy' that was under threat as higher education became a mass phenomenon. make elite education expensive enough and you really can restrict it to the elite don't agree with indenture though, one can still learn a trade or something
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baka kaba posted:Oh definitely, I was just trying to get away from the idea that people are malicious without it being based in personal beliefs, prejudices or whatever. Whether it's people who've suffered or it's people with comfortable lives who want to kick down, they're still coming from the same place, wanting to see another group hurt because "they deserve it" based on some moral calculus I again point back to the suggestion that the specific way that social media is structured encourages troublesome behaviour. You have access to instant validation based on performance to an audience. Which is perhaps how in person interaction works to a degree too, but social media keeps everything much more superficial but also much more wide reaching. So you're gobbing off at the world's biggest party full of strangers and they're all either going wooo or screaming at you. Equal parts dangerously validating or utterly destructive to your mental wellbeing. Shut down all social media can't be an answer but certainly it makes a lot of sense to point at the way it works and suggest that while it's great for "engagement" and selling advertisements to people, it's possibly very bad for your brain. You can't just put it back in the box because it's got the weight of capital behind it, but it's possibly useful to understand its effects. To say nothing, of course, of the idea that maybe people rely on new media for validation and socialization because capitalism has utterly alienated them from less harmful approaches. New media is the fast food of social interaction. Engineered to be as addictive as possible without regard for the long term effects on its consumers, and popularized by the capitalist monopolization of the time and energy of its consumers. This, of course, is why communists like old forums. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j66nyzeoO5M Sort of relevant, I wish he had a video I could find that does this whole thing comprehensively. He hits on it over the course of a bunch of videos and I can't find the ones I want. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Mar 15, 2019 |
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V. Illych L. posted:it's also a part of the liquidation of the middle class/the top classes tightening their grip on the 'meritocracy' that was under threat as higher education became a mass phenomenon. make elite education expensive enough and you really can restrict it to the elite But of course in every profession it's the university educated elite that will enter government one day. They'll press through a bill which makes their qualification or professional body a requirement to working in that profession, citing "quality" or "assurance" as their reason. Whether or not that is their true intention it has the effect of eroding away at "just learning" the trade and practicing it in a way that bypasses the educational establishment. Azza Bamboo fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Mar 15, 2019 |
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Azza Bamboo posted:Creating a system where entering into a loan for this amount is required to get a job is surely a modern form of indenture? Joe Biden is the reason that going bankrupt doesn't get rid of your student loans and before announcing he was running to be president he gave an interview and called millenials lazy and whiny
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wooger posted:Can you expand on that? The NHS was built during the period of empire at the heart of the empire for the vast minority of the empire only. The British economy was directly buoyed by Iranian oil and indirectly by the exploitative relationship it had built from and with the Commonwealth's resources and economies to their detriment, giving the UK the economic capacity to operate a national health service. Imperialism isn't a founding necessity of a universal healthcare system but it's undeniable that the NHS was able to be built as it was because of imperialism and never exported outwards.
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OwlFancier posted:I again point back to the suggestion that the specific way that social media is structured encourages troublesome behaviour. You have access to instant validation based on performance to an audience. Which is perhaps how in person interaction works to a degree too, but social media keeps everything much more superficial but also much more wide reaching. So you're gobbing off at the world's biggest party full of strangers and they're all either going wooo or screaming at you. Equal parts dangerously validating or utterly destructive to your mental wellbeing. Yeah definitely - and I was gonna say the left obviously uses it in the same way, except that's about explaining people's situations through an understanding of capitalism and its political and social structures, and giving people hope for a fairer and more equal society. The right is out to demonise minorities and blame them for your problems. It's sort of the free speech debate only ramped up to incredible levels that I'm not sure we were really ready for I saw a good article once about how the original promise of the internet was opening doors and freeing everyone to be who they wanted to be, but how it's actually ended up as a way for people to anonymously oppress and threaten others (especially minorities) but hell if I can find it right now The chans seem like a bit of a crucible for the mental wellbeing stuff you're talking about. Just outright hostility to everyone, no real community or friendship - but at the same time it's anonymous and shitposting is encouraged. And if you're doing that, you're fine on twitter too, since you're just doing everything to get a reaction, good or bad. What's more concerning is people who feel comfortable casually saying terrible things under their own name :/ Dead Goon posted:Happy Birthday cheers bud  be excellent to each other
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wooger posted:Can you expand on that? Medical internationalism it was not. You could argue that imperial free movement in the form of the Windrush etc. offset that in part, but lol they shut that down quick once people started actually using it, and are now busy trying to send them back now they're old.
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My final paper was accepted today and I've bought my favorite beer. Since I almost never drink and it's a 10.5% beverage I'm pretty tipsy. Stay safe out there, you're good* folks e: also gf is making vegan tikka massala like i'm in loving heaven rn *usually
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TACD posted:i’m not familiar with bingo, what number is this? 51.9.
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baka kaba posted:The chans seem like a bit of a crucible for the mental wellbeing stuff you're talking about. Just outright hostility to everyone, no real community or friendship - but at the same time it's anonymous and shitposting is encouraged. And if you're doing that, you're fine on twitter too, since you're just doing everything to get a reaction, good or bad. What's more concerning is people who feel comfortable casually saying terrible things under their own name :/ I regret immensely that you can’t use “niggerstomper58 syndrome” in polite conversation because I can never not think of that fyad post whenever a topic like this comes up. I guess terminal irony poisoning works as a stand-in but we just really aren’t equipped to deal with the worst aspects of the internet in our current society, at all e: “regret” in the sense that I really wish he’d picked donglord69 or something
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Just call it Internet Poisoning
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Guavanaut posted:Toxic Content Poisoning/Internet Poisoning Universal Death Poisoning
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Does anybody have a link to that cartoon which contains people protesting and a guy moaning about them getting a coffee and using things from society? I seem to remember it from around when people were camped outside Bank in London and around the UK. It would just be far easier for me to post that in the other online groups I'm in, than get into a conversation with a lot of the people whining about kids with plastic bags on their marches today.
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https://twitter.com/KenReid_utv/status/1106589194678403072?s=19 Sounds like they are going to push for the mumbled plan May made in the commons about asking the Assembly before entering the backstop, something helpfully explained by this diagram https://twitter.com/JP_Biz/status/1105485378767736832?s=19
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Has anyone pointed out to her that the EU's been very clear that it requires commitment to the backstop in return for any sort of deal?
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How is Stormont going to table this motion anyhow? Are the DUP going to agree to Sinn Feins terms? Or are they just going to use this as a dig against the party before the May LE? Edit: just copped that the tradition date they mention is for the FT deal and not March 29/X date. That brings another question - even if May gets the DUP on her side it won't really matter unless she wrangles the ERG/other rebels. She'd probably have the numbers for her deal without the DUP if she has her own party whipped/labour rebels/TIG Skull Servant fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Mar 15, 2019 |
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