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I lusted after a Golf GTD Kombi when I lived in Europe.
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I'm looking for info on Hyundai Ioniq facelift. Probably out of my budget anyway, but Google isn't helping certainly:  Found something and it appears they're going to stick the iPad on top of the Dash like other manufacturers. Don't know if I like that. Comparison below. 
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Mar 16, 2019 13:23
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Lord Stimperor posted:Found something and it appears they're going to stick the iPad on top of the Dash like other manufacturers. Don't know if I like that. I know: I loving hate it. Why do they do this? "Hey I know let's have a giant fuckoff screen sticking up in the middle of goddamn nowhere, that's an excellent design!" If you already have a touchscreen integrated nicely into the dash, it's doubly stupid because the one acceptable reason for just having it jutting up is running out of room in a previously-designed cockpit.
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Mar 16, 2019 13:35
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It looks like they also swapped out buttons for capacitive touch buttons, possibly some of the knobs too. Complete garbage.
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Mar 16, 2019 15:22
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PT6A posted:I know: I loving hate it. Why do they do this? It makes it easier to upgrade and replace components without having to make significant changes on the production line. It's why Mazda did it.
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Mar 16, 2019 15:57
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PT6A posted:I know: I loving hate it. Why do they do this? Because it's a simple way to raise the screen as high as possible so the driver can use it without taking his eyes too far from the road. I really hated the iPad design at first, and I still think a nicely integrated screen looks better, but after living with it in my Mazda it really does make a difference for safety.
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Mar 16, 2019 16:08
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Also making it stick up allows for a larger screen and bigger screens impress lay people (see: Tesla)
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Mar 16, 2019 16:24
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Q_res posted:It makes it easier to upgrade and replace components without having to make significant changes on the production line. It's why Mazda did it. Well Mazda at least put some effort into it, there it seems to flow out of the dash:  But sometimes it's bizarre. Within the VW corp, VW is supposed to be the plebeian brand and Audi the upscale one. So let's look how VW and Audi do the screens in their Golf and A3 models, which are equivalent in almost everything but panels and decoration:   I mean VW interiors are often seen as bland, but at least it's clean and functional. The supposedly posher one is considerably more tacky. Maybe that's the result of focus group testing or something.
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Mar 16, 2019 16:33
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How much does it affect the HVAC system when vents are resized? The new ones don't seem that much smaller, but I'm sure comfort was an afterthought here.
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Mar 16, 2019 17:02
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kimbo305 posted:How much does it affect the HVAC system when vents are resized? The new ones don't seem that much smaller, but I'm sure comfort was an afterthought here. Wouldn't know. New one comes out sometime in the second half of 2019. Will take a sit in it. Maybe there'll be some deals on low mileage pre-facelift second hand ones in the winter.
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Mar 16, 2019 17:23
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Lord Stimperor posted:Well Mazda at least put some effort into it, there it seems to flow out of the dash: I would much rather sit in that Audi
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Mar 16, 2019 19:55
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The screen on that Audi looks to be about an inch bigger, and that's why it's up there rather than in the center stack.
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Mar 16, 2019 20:13
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bull3964 posted:The screen on that Audi looks to be about an inch bigger, and that's why it's up there rather than in the center stack. Looks like it just has a bigger bezel to me, actually, truth be told, I think it looks a little smaller than the VW. I am a little surprised the A3 doesn't look nicer but I think that may be a low spec one, other than the piano black trim in the VW I think it does look better, the instrument panel and door panel in particular, I don't even mind the pop-up touch screens but those giant nipple vents are a bit ridiculous on the Audi and the giant expanse of flat grey plastic around them isn't helping.
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Mar 16, 2019 22:39
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Maybe I'm weird but the *3 looks terrible, I would much rather have that VW or the mazda. All the fake entry level german car (A3, CLA, whatever) interiors look cheap as hell. e: even the RS3 sucks. The materials are a little nicer but it's still plasticy and has those stupid big round vents. Terrible
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Mar 16, 2019 22:58
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My mother just bought a Buick Encore and it's... not bad? It's a fugly little people-pod but very comfy inside. The little 1.4T engine seems all right.
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Mar 16, 2019 23:20
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Speaking of Buick, the Tour X wagon looks pretty sharp. I was riding behind one today and couldn't believe I was admiring a Buick.
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Mar 17, 2019 06:32
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Russian Bear posted:Speaking of Buick, the Tour X wagon looks pretty sharp. I was riding behind one today and couldn't believe I was admiring a Buick. If it makes you feel better, you were actually admiring an Opel
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Mar 17, 2019 13:08
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Infinotize posted:Maybe I'm weird but the *3 looks terrible, I would much rather have that VW or the mazda. All the fake entry level german car (A3, CLA, whatever) interiors look cheap as hell. Yeah, I tried the Golf R and the Audi equivalent (S3?) before I bought, and the VW was way more appealing to me on the inside. Perhaps it's just a matter of taste? EDIT: Am I high or didn't they used to make a hatchback A3? I can't find it on the website anymore. PT6A fucked around with this message at 13:19 on Mar 17, 2019 |
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Mar 17, 2019 13:15
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FuturePastNow posted:My mother just bought a Buick Encore and it's... not bad? It's a fugly little people-pod but very comfy inside. The little 1.4T engine seems all right. Looks kinda like an overgrown golf cart, which fits in perfectly with the well-heeled oldsters, I guess.
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Mar 17, 2019 14:33
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PT6A posted:Yeah, I tried the Golf R and the Audi equivalent (S3?) before I bought, and the VW was way more appealing to me on the inside. Perhaps it's just a matter of taste? Try Audi.de There is a range of VW cars were the sedan variants are only available in the US and conversely not every hatch is available outside of EU, different customer preference and all that
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Mar 17, 2019 14:44
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PT6A posted:Yeah, I tried the Golf R and the Audi equivalent (S3?) before I bought, and the VW was way more appealing to me on the inside. Perhaps it's just a matter of taste? They did (Mk5 VW equivalent iirc), but I don't think it comes to the US any more.
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Mar 17, 2019 15:19
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JazzmasterCurious posted:Are there any gotchas with late model Golf IVs? I'm a poor and can't afford much else, they look nice and do what I want and the build quality seems OK. The mark 4 is where a lot of VW’s reputation for unreliability comes from.
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Mar 17, 2019 15:48
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Residency Evil posted:They did (Mk5 VW equivalent iirc), but I don't think it comes to the US any more. There was the e-tron PHEV variant but it ended in the fall, in Europe too.
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Mar 17, 2019 16:50
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FuturePastNow posted:My mother just bought a Buick Encore and it's... not bad? It's a fugly little people-pod but very comfy inside. The little 1.4T engine seems all right. the pre-refresh was outrageously ugly, the post refresh actually looks OK from some angles
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Mar 17, 2019 17:14
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Lord Stimperor posted:Try Audi.de How can consumer preference on one hand be for crossovers, yet also for sedans over hatchbacks?  You've got some 'splainin to do, America. Either that or car companies haven't stumbled upon the holy grail of American automotive design: a ridiculously lifted sedan. ...and just as I typed that, I figured out why SUPER ULTRA DOUBLE MEGA FISTFUCK CAB trucks exist.
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Mar 18, 2019 05:04
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Infinotize posted:Maybe I'm weird but the *3 looks terrible, I would much rather have that VW or the mazda. All the fake entry level german car (A3, CLA, whatever) interiors look cheap as hell. 100% this. The jump in interior quality between the A3/Q3 and A4/A5/Q5 is huge.
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Mar 18, 2019 10:47
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PT6A posted:How can consumer preference on one hand be for crossovers, yet also for sedans over hatchbacks? Some of them do, but it's mostly because the CAFE laws lobbied into existence by GM and Ford essentially made certain types of vehicles, like wagons and small trucks, illegal.
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Mar 18, 2019 14:29
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Those laws affected wagons?
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Mar 18, 2019 14:32
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kimbo305 posted:Those laws affected wagons? Yes, 1) the footprint calculation makes them less competitive against similar cars, because wagons tend to get a small fuel penalty vs sedans for both weight and aero reasons, and 2) true wagons are at a huge disadvantage vs slightly raised wagons with plastic cladding and AWD which count as "light trucks". e.g. Toyota puts different, less efficient skirts and body panels on cars like the Lexus NX than they do in other markets in order to qualify them as "light trucks" under US regulations. So the Volvo Cross Country models are much more attractive to Volvo than their true wagons.
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Mar 18, 2019 14:40
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The US CAFE rules originally had a “flat load floor” exemption for light trucks, which meant that things like the PT Cruiser were classified as light trucks for CAFE purposes. That particular rule has since been changed, but it was a big factor in influencing peoples’ taste towards SUV shaped vehicles. Now a station wagon type vehicle must have a standard third-row seat to qualify as a truck (Lol what the gently caress,) which roughly zero station wagons have anymore. Instead, the automakers put a bit of a lift on it, call it “off-road ground clearance,” and viola, it’s a light truck. Bring back the Caprice/Roadmaster rear-facing third row!
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Mar 18, 2019 15:22
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MrYenko posted:The US CAFE rules originally had a “flat load floor” exemption for light trucks, which meant that things like the PT Cruiser were classified as light trucks for CAFE purposes. That particular rule has since been changed, but it was a big factor in influencing peoples’ taste towards SUV shaped vehicles. its dumb, just make it a straight up tax on displacement or fuel economy
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Mar 18, 2019 15:37
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CAFE is well-intentioned but yeah, just put all that poo poo in to a gas tax and a gas guzzler tax on purchase.
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Mar 18, 2019 15:41
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Making a law that says "manufacturers have to make vehicles more fuel efficient, but the least efficient categories of vehicles are exempt" is goddamned stupid. In a sane country, you'd need a special license to own and drive a vehicle the size of an f350 or a suburban and have to pay a huge gas guzzler tax. But that will never fly here cause 
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Mar 18, 2019 16:18
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:CAFE is well-intentioned but yeah, just put all that poo poo in to a gas tax and a gas guzzler tax on purchase. Well intentioned to keep GM and Ford printing money. When the last review came up under Obama the carmakers that don't make trucks like Mazda and Kia and VW were vocally opposed to it for the above reasons. What does it say when your proposed new " fuel economy " regulations were written by Ford and GM and opposed by Mazda? Eventually I think everyone caved except VW kept fighting it until it was revealed that VW are a bunch of liars about a lot of unrelated things that shut them up.
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Mar 18, 2019 16:30
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KillHour posted:Making a law that says "manufacturers have to make vehicles more fuel efficient, but the least efficient categories of vehicles are exempt" is goddamned stupid. In a sane country, you'd need a special license to own and drive a vehicle the size of an f350 or a suburban and have to pay a huge gas guzzler tax. But that will never fly here cause CDLs for them thanks in advance
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Mar 18, 2019 17:08
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Throatwarbler posted:What does it say when your proposed new " fuel economy " regulations were written by Ford and GM and opposed by Mazda?
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Mar 18, 2019 17:55
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BraveUlysses posted:its dumb, just make it a straight up tax on displacement or fuel economy A sane (and exponential) GVWR-based registration tax combined with a gas and diesel tax would be a great replacement, but there is zero chance of that happening, and less than zero of it happening in conjunction with repeal of CAFE. We’d just get another layer of taxation instead. Fuel economy (and gas guzzler, see GM CAGS) taxes just encourage gaming the test. Manufacturers should be obligated to publish the BSFC for each powertrain option, along with a speed/burn table on the window sticker for the specific combination being sold, instead of the nearly-meaningless MPG number. This would also require the average car buyer to have an IQ above room temperature, so I know I’m never getting what I want.
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Mar 18, 2019 18:09
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Agreed, when I say "Gas guzzler tax" I am not advocating for current state, just some sort of tax on consumption. Plus, GVWR correlates to cost to the public based on road wear and tear, so that's good too! I'm fine having an MPG number, I think it's a handy baseline and it has to be something that works for the lowest common denominator of consumption - I just think they should restructure the test to be more reflective of modern driving.
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Mar 18, 2019 18:13
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fknlo posted:It says that Mazda knows they have the edge under what they want? It's the same reason Costco supports increasing the minimum wage. Not because it's good for employees but because their main competition wouldn't do well with it. Mazda is a maker of generally fuel efficient small cars, that's their edge. The other two have the edge in making huge chrome 16mpg oxcarts. Would have thought that was common knowledge in this forum.
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Mar 18, 2019 19:11
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Ford makes those sort of cars too even if they can't sell them in the USA. Also while a CX-9 may be relatively efficienct for its size it's still a huge whale of a vehicle.
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