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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

His Divine Shadow posted:

What do you call it when that happens, but it stopped at 50% of your islet cells? Cause that's what happened to me. Weird they ain't growing back either though and the remaining 50% aren't being killed off.

Diabrexit.

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Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass

baka kaba posted:

e- oh you were talking about the media specifically lol
well the same thing applies, you need to critically assess what you're reading and realistically that means developing a bs detector for "fair and accurate reporting of the facts" that reinforces bad ideas and bad narratives. There's no single truth that will unfold and redefine the world and the people in it once it's discovered

Is-ought problem's a bitch

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

:swoon: I can't get enough of are Dan :swoon:

goddamnedtwisto posted:

https://news.sky.com/story/police-treating-surrey-stabbing-as-a-terrorist-incident-11668741


I have to assume there's considerably more than "Man shouts racist things and stabs someone" because god knows they don't like to break out the t-word if it involves white people. Anyway, assuming it gets even mild traction in the media, look for lots of think pieces about how we need to ban Facebook printed next to stories about how raping white children is one of the core tenets of Islam.

That's very strange, it reads like a parody of the left that a right-wing Onion would put out.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

goddamnedtwisto posted:

https://news.sky.com/story/police-treating-surrey-stabbing-as-a-terrorist-incident-11668741


I have to assume there's considerably more than "Man shouts racist things and stabs someone" because god knows they don't like to break out the t-word if it involves white people. Anyway, assuming it gets even mild traction in the media, look for lots of think pieces about how we need to ban Facebook printed next to stories about how raping white children is one of the core tenets of Islam.

Don't expect the BBC to call it that though, they're still calling Christchurch a "gun attack" as of the Radio 4 news this afternoon.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

pumpinglemma posted:

Ditto the BBC and uncritically platforming fascists and climate deniers.
Objectivity in this case would be having 32 climate scientists and one denier.

Or one fascist and five anti-fascists. With bricks.

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

:swoon: I can't get enough of are Dan :swoon:

Julio Cruz posted:

Don't expect the BBC to call it that though, they're still calling Christchurch a "gun attack" as of the Radio 4 news this afternoon.

I'm watching BBC News' report on it right now, and they're very much calling it a terrorist attack (or at least letting the people they have on call it that unchallenged), and saying other similar incidents could be copycats of Christchurch.

Hallmarks of far-right, extreme right, alt-right all getting mentioned.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Katt posted:

I survived biking without a helmet, no seatbelt, lead paint and indoor smoking

Like and share if you did too.

I didn't and an using a Ouija board to post this

PriorMarcus
Oct 17, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT BEING ALLERGIC TO POSITIVITY

So... genuine question... with Brexit looking likely to be delayed what are my best options for moving to and staying in Europe as soon as possible? Preferably somewhere like Sweden or Denmark?

pumpinglemma
Apr 28, 2009

DD: Fondly regard abomination.

Guavanaut posted:

Or one fascist and five anti-fascists. With bricks.
I think if you do that it gets classed as entertainment rather than news.

Katt
Nov 14, 2017

PriorMarcus posted:

So... genuine question... with Brexit looking likely to be delayed what are my best options for moving to and staying in Europe as soon as possible? Preferably somewhere like Sweden or Denmark?

Denmark is currently going full Fash. Make a friend in Sweden and move in with them.

Like you don't even need to be dating or anything. All you need is "an intent to co-habit" From there you have access to pretty much all the socialism stuff.

Katt fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Mar 17, 2019

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

PriorMarcus posted:

So... genuine question... with Brexit looking likely to be delayed what are my best options for moving to and staying in Europe as soon as possible? Preferably somewhere like Sweden or Denmark?

well if you want somewhere like sweden or denmark I would consider moving to sweden or denmark.

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Katt posted:

Denmark is currently going full Fash. Make a friend in Sweden and move in with them.

Like you don't even need need to be dating or anything. All you need is "an intent to co-habit" From there you have access to pretty much all the socialism stuff.

can anecdotally confirm, one of my friends recently left a punk gig blackout drunk and woke up in Sweden, and has decided to stay there

Total Meatlove
Jan 28, 2007

:japan:
Rangers died, shoujo Hitler cried ;_;
We have now had two separate cells of nazi terrorists acting in the UK, buoyed by the Christchurch attack. Next week is likely to see more. Good that the beeb platform fascists though

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

JFairfax posted:

well if you want somewhere like sweden or denmark I would consider moving to sweden or denmark.

live on the train riding back and forth below the hit tv series "The Bridge"

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Objective truth is probably impossible for humans to access because even very simple things are seen through our senses that we can't really rely on 100%. And since everything we do is via our senses there's no way to ever know if they're being accurate. For all we know that guy yelling about seeing God on the street is right and the rest of us are wrong. Getting at objective truth is a useless endeavour, we should be trying to make people happy instead (except the fash).

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Katt posted:

Denmark is currently going full Fash.
Untrue. We're skipping the whole military fetishism thing because it's too expensive.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Miftan posted:

Objective truth is probably impossible for humans to access because even very simple things are seen through our senses that we can't really rely on 100%. And since everything we do is via our senses there's no way to ever know if they're being accurate. For all we know that guy yelling about seeing God on the street is right and the rest of us are wrong. Getting at objective truth is a useless endeavour, we should be trying to make people happy instead (except the fash).
It's a useful endeavor in the sciences (including the social ones) as long as you admit that you're never going to get there and you're just going to make better and better models.

Anywhere that you can't control for things, yeah, just try not to be an rear end, but those studies from above can help with that, which is why all reactionaries have a pathological distrust of academia (rather than just saying it can get a lot wrong but also a lot right).

Also this guy is objectively correct:

Katt
Nov 14, 2017

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Untrue. We're skipping the whole military fetishism thing because it's too expensive.

Did you?




ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

Dead Goon posted:

I was 0-9 during the 80s and we ran around like loving idiots, crashing our bikes, trying to climb trees, we did actually eat mud and all that poo poo.

It was alright, it took me until my late 20s to meet someone with an allergy - nuts, tomatoes and apples apparently

If the tomatoes and apples are cooked then it's fine.

The first wave of the "didn't grow out of their childhood nuts/seeds allergy" cohort are the best part of 10 years older than you so it's not that you've never met someone with a potentially fatal allergy, it was just ignored back then. I mean I was in my 20s before the idea of carrying an epipen was even suggested and I was first taken to hospital with a potentially fatal reaction when I was about 6 months old (parents tried peanut butter during weaning, and it didn't work)

What there was in the late 90s was a bunch of people whose children "were allergic to nuts" for as long as the fad went on - they're now "allergic to gluten" and were probably "lactose intolerant" at some point in between. At least with that poor girl dying because Pret didn't want to clutter up their branding people have finally noticed that seed allergies are a thing as well (a load of "nuts" are seeds after all) and are finally marking them as allergens so you don't need to go over the ingredients list on everything you buy with a fine tooth comb (highlighting seeds has been on the government's allergy advice for decades but it wasn't a "fashionable " allergy)

PriorMarcus posted:

So... genuine question... with Brexit looking likely to be delayed what are my best options for moving to and staying in Europe as soon as possible? Preferably somewhere like Sweden or Denmark?

Wouldn't recommend Sweden if you're non white they've got serious issues with racism.

ookiimarukochan fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Mar 17, 2019

winegums
Dec 21, 2012


I'm definitely low key sceptical of kids diagnosed with allergic purely via their parents with no investigation done. I've never suffered through an allergy clinic (cannot think of anything more dull) but have heard of very middle class parents turning up convinced their kid is allergic to basil or satin.

Obliterati
Nov 13, 2012

Pain is inevitable.
Suffering is optional.
Thunderdome is forever.

PriorMarcus posted:

So... genuine question... with Brexit looking likely to be delayed what are my best options for moving to and staying in Europe as soon as possible? Preferably somewhere like Sweden or Denmark?

GB's agreements with Ireland, that give you all citizen rights except, iirc, voting in referenda, are broadly independent of the EU and unlikely to get torn up.

Apraxin
Feb 22, 2006

General-Admiral
https://twitter.com/GdnPolitics/status/1107330768907321351

quote:

Those hoping to see him on the second day of the two-week slog were left disappointed. “He braved the weather yesterday,” said Richard Tice, the property tycoon and co-founder of Leave Means Leave.

“We showed true grit. You softies in the Guardian would’ve delayed it a day but we pushed on, we had hundreds out, it was amazing.”

About 150 hardy protesters marched 12 miles from Hartlepool to Middlesbrough on Sunday, guided by police escort through empty industrial estates, past water treatment plants and deep-water ports, before arriving five hours later at a pub near the river Tees.

...

Roger Gambrell, a 72-year-old army veteran, was among those walking Todd’s “scenic” route through miles of barren industrial land. “My main reason for doing this is we’ve got a democracy and parliament is overthrowing democracy,” he said, on his first ever political rally. “I don’t want my grandchildren being conscripted by an EU army likely led by the Germans.”

Protesters were cheered by the occasional honk from passing cars. Locals came out of their houses as the march approached Middlesbrough. “They’re selling us down the bloody river!” shouted one man from his front door. “We’re going to sort out those treacherous dogs!” came the reply.
Oh my god, it's the Brexit version of the March on Rome, they all see themselves as the heroic ideal.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

Apraxin posted:

Oh my god, it's the Brexit version of the March on Rome, they all see themselves as the heroic ideal.

They're actually recreating Monty Python & The Holy Grail.
The only question is who's going to play the part of the Very Rude Frenchman?

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

His Divine Shadow posted:

What do you call it when that happens, but it stopped at 50% of your islet cells? Cause that's what happened to me. Weird they ain't growing back either though and the remaining 50% aren't being killed off.


OwlFancier posted:

Diabrexit.

:vince:

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


Led By Donkeys trolling the march with a digital billboard on a truck displaying a rotation of Farage’s lies in tweet form is a pretty spectacular move.

Comrade Fakename fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Mar 17, 2019

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass

kingturnip posted:

They're actually recreating Monty Python & The Holy Grail.
The only question is who's going to play the part of the Very Rude Frenchman?

Can we just skip straight to the end where they all get arrested?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Uurgh I hope they don't come to work tomorrow I don't want to deal with a horde of miserable old fash farts at work.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Apraxin posted:

Oh my god, it's the Brexit version of the March on Rome, they all see themselves as the heroic ideal.
What's the obsession with an EU army?

The UK is already in NATO, Ireland would veto the gently caress out of anything close to that from the EU.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Apraxin posted:

https://twitter.com/GdnPolitics/status/1107330768907321351

Oh my god, it's the Brexit version of the March on Rome, they all see themselves as the heroic ideal.

"Parliament is overthrowing democracy" is quite a quote.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I mean it's accurate just not how they mean it.

a pipe smoking dog
Jan 25, 2010

"haha, dogs can't smoke!"

Apraxin posted:

https://twitter.com/GdnPolitics/status/1107330768907321351

Oh my god, it's the Brexit version of the March on Rome, they all see themselves as the heroic ideal.

It really is, right down to their glorious leader going home for most of it and only showing up at the end.

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Isn't that true of most genes?

I get your awe of the immune system though, I find it utterly fascinating. Kurzgesagt has done some videos on it which are excellent, but sadly they're all old and they've not done any more since (which is a huge shame)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQGOcOUBi6s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0opgc1WoS4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRv19gkZ4E0

It's a way of making relatively mundane things sound more impressive. Did you know that when you shuffle a deck of cards, you put them in an order that never existed before in the universe? True story.

The Kurzgesagt videos are indeed awesome though.

winegums posted:

I'm definitely low key sceptical of kids diagnosed with allergic purely via their parents with no investigation done. I've never suffered through an allergy clinic (cannot think of anything more dull) but have heard of very middle class parents turning up convinced their kid is allergic to basil or satin.

As a general rule of thumb from working in a hospital, the more allergies the patient tells you they have the less likely they are to have any allergies.

jabby fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Mar 17, 2019

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
As we're on allergy chat, I only found out after ten years of playing guitar that for other people the pain in your fingers after playing kinda stops happening after the first few weeks, and that I'm in fact allergic to the nickel most guitar strings are made out of. I found this out because my girlfriend bought me a GENUINE STERLING SILVER earring from the market, and my earlobe went off like an airbag.

e: incidentally the worst humblebrag I've ever done... "Yeah I play the guitar and I have an earring and a girlfriend, NBD"

goddamnedtwisto fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Mar 17, 2019

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

jabby posted:

It's a way of making relatively mundane things sound more impressive. Did you know that when you shuffle a deck of cards, you put them in an order that [i]never existed before in the universe?[i] True story.



Maybe that is impressive and you're just jaded.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Guavanaut posted:

It's a useful endeavor in the sciences (including the social ones) as long as you admit that you're never going to get there and you're just going to make better and better models.

Anywhere that you can't control for things, yeah, just try not to be an rear end, but those studies from above can help with that, which is why all reactionaries have a pathological distrust of academia (rather than just saying it can get a lot wrong but also a lot right).

Also this guy is objectively correct:


Even in those fields we can only approximate what our understanding of them is, we can't know if that's the objective truth.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Miftan posted:

Even in those fields we can only approximate what our understanding of them is, we can't know if that's the objective truth.
Sure, but by building models that attempt to account for the biases of our own senses (or standpoints in the social sciences) we can at least try to find out the results of doing things and the outcomes of different things on different groups.

It can't tell us how to act, that's ethics, or whether we're all just brains in jars who believe we're doing experiments, but it can tell us what works if we decide to achieve the good thing or the bad thing.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

a pipe smoking dog posted:

It really is, right down to their glorious leader going home for most of it and only showing up at the end.

That's how Jimmy Savile did marathons

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
He had a busy schedule.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-

PriorMarcus posted:

So... genuine question... with Brexit looking likely to be delayed what are my best options for moving to and staying in Europe as soon as possible? Preferably somewhere like Sweden or Denmark?

Until Brexit happens you can just get on a flight, show up in whatever EU country you like and register with whatever the local equivalent of a NI number is. Get yourself an address by renting a room or something so you have something to put on your paperwork, that's it. You'll want a bank account, job, long term accommodation etc, but if you have savings for a few months' living costs you can probably sort that out once you're there. If you don't I'd try and find work ahead of time that'll pay your relocation expenses, but you might have left it a little late by now. You are entitled to social benefits such as unemployment or disability in any EU country in which you are resident - they may have different requirements than the UK but your time working in the UK (or other EU countries) has to be considered the same as if you'd been working in your host country.

Whether you'll be allowed to stay after Brexit is currently unclear, of course. But no country (except the UK) wants to lose thousands of skilled foreign workers overnight and most Brits abroad are exactly that, so sorting something out is likely to be a priority.

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Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Guavanaut posted:

Sure, but by building models that attempt to account for the biases of our own senses (or standpoints in the social sciences) we can at least try to find out the results of doing things and the outcomes of different things on different groups.

It can't tell us how to act, that's ethics, or whether we're all just brains in jars who believe we're doing experiments, but it can tell us what works if we decide to achieve the good thing or the bad thing.

Depends on how you define good and bad things, but I assume you've got a solidly decent leftist interpretation of 'happy people' which is a lot more measurable than 'amount of atoms'

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