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Seconding Bacc, TWO VOTES FOR F-16DG FALCONS + ONE VOTE FOR SU-22Ms
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Mar 18, 2019 07:35
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Doubt Kiowas would be very useful in straight combat, but sticking some on the Marjata could be handy if we ever think we'll have to defend it. Should also be able to offer some light transport utility - scooping up downed pilots lost in the woods for example. I'll also point out that Kiowa's are a military version of the Bell 206, which is pretty popular among police departments and news stations... if we paint one white and fly it without missiles and rockets hanging off the sides, it'll be practically indistinguishable from its civilian brothers. It would be more discreet than a drone if we have to do recon over a populated area, with the added bonus that it could be used to pick up or drop off a few people while it's there. Also we need fighters. 1 vote for Kiowas 2 votes for F-16DGs
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Mar 18, 2019 09:20
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I vote: mirage 2000 su-22m submarine We need a2a and some more strike, these seem good options. A naval fleet of some kind is needed to defend the marjata, and the submarine is much better than the crap bote on offer. if I had another vote it would be for the kiowas to base off the marjata but hopefully they, or something similar will crop up again. A small fleet supporting the marjata and a few subs will provide a lot of capability.
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Mar 18, 2019 10:22
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Bacarruda posted:Yooper, do we still have the Africans the Gjader Militia? Yes we do! The Chingoala LLC folks are doing a fine job relaxing on the perimeter. If something serious occurs though we could shift them to a different area.
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Mar 18, 2019 12:04
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three votes for mirage 2000C All hail the eurotrash
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Mar 18, 2019 13:23
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I just wonder if the boat lobby has overlooked a key part of what Yooper posted a few pages back...Yooper posted:...The Boat should be a comedy asset perpetually beached and in a state of comic disrepair.
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Mar 18, 2019 13:58
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slothrop posted:I just wonder if the boat lobby has overlooked a key part of what Yooper posted a few pages back... I should've specified "that boat". The Voting will go until at least this evening. 1st and 2nd place are rather solid, but 3rd place is pretty close. A couple of goons voting hard all in for one plane or another could swing it.
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Mar 18, 2019 14:14
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Given our current reduced capabilities, I wondered if we might see smaller missions offered to us - or rather, we might be offered a choice of three small parts of the same mission. Say a EU-NATO is planning an op and there's a SEAD component, a Strike component and a CAP component to the mission plan. We could then choose which part of the mission we'd like to 'bid' for, based on what we think our strengths are.
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Mar 18, 2019 14:28
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slothrop posted:Given our current reduced capabilities, I wondered if we might see smaller missions offered to us - or rather, we might be offered a choice of three small parts of the same mission. Say a EU-NATO is planning an op and there's a SEAD component, a Strike component and a CAP component to the mission plan. We could then choose which part of the mission we'd like to 'bid' for, based on what we think our strengths are. We will absolutely go back to smaller missions. I looked back at where I hosed things up and it boiled down to two things, 1> too many airframes in the air at once, 2> too many targets. By reducing our plane footprint and the mission size I hope to alleviate both of those issues. Then it won't be so hard to micro in a plane on a bomb run instead of just going patrol mode all the time. Look back at our first mission, we blew up a bridge and escorted a plane. That whole theater was very limited in requirements and worked really well. I'd like to get back to that.
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Mar 18, 2019 14:55
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Changing my vote tactically: 3x F-16DG Current count looks like Sub and 2000C are clear winners, after that it's a four-horse race between F-16XL, F-16DG, second Sub, or second Mirage 2000C, with Kiowas and Fitter Ks on the outside chance. Out of those choices I'd prefer a multi-role, so throwing votes hard in that direction. Here are some example air forces, only one of them really works at all: Bad at everything airforce: 12x Mirage 2000C (interceptor) - or even only 6x if we are 2x Sub 4x Intruder (strike) 2x Reaper (strike/recon) Mud mover gets shot down by enemy CAP airforce: 6x Mirage 2000C (interceptor) 4x Intruder (strike) 6x F-16XL (strike) - or 8x Fitter K, or 4x Kiowa, similar roles for all 2x Reaper (strike/recon) Can actually take on more than one mission airforce: 6x Mirage 2000C (interceptor) 4x F-16DG (multirole) 4x Intruder (strike) 2x Reaper (strike/recon) TheDemon fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Mar 18, 2019 |
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Mar 18, 2019 14:56
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Lets just get three subs and become a piratical wolfpack for a few months.
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Mar 18, 2019 15:06
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TheDemon posted:Changing my vote tactically: yeah people who want planes need to coordinate or we're going to end up drowning rather than exploding in the sky like we should be 3x F-16DG
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Mar 18, 2019 15:34
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TheDemon posted:Changing my vote tactically: Thanks for doing the counting for me. Changing: 3x F-16DG
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Mar 18, 2019 15:38
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Changing my vote to: 1x Mirage 2000c 1x F-16XL 1x F-16DG
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Mar 18, 2019 16:48
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3xF-16DG, because we need planes.
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Mar 18, 2019 16:49
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Why do people keep saying the F-16DG has 9Ms? The page lists it has having the same P-4 Sidewinder as the Mirage F-1s.
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Mar 18, 2019 17:13
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Q_res posted:Why do people keep saying the F-16DG has 9Ms? The page lists it has having the same P-4 Sidewinder as the Mirage F-1s. I dunno. I was very explicit in saying the 9Ms were on the F-16XL.
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Mar 18, 2019 17:40
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After seeing the Bac and Demon comments, changing my vote to 2x F-16DG 1x SU-22
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Mar 18, 2019 18:06
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Changing my vote to all three for SU-22Ms.
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Mar 18, 2019 18:37
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my full of thumb is do whatever Bacc says, TWO VOTES FOR F-16DG FALCONS + ONE VOTE FOR SU-22Ms!
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Mar 18, 2019 19:04
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two votes for the Su-22 one vote for the underwater bote
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Mar 18, 2019 19:16
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Changing mine to three votes for F-16XL
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Mar 18, 2019 21:21
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Voting is closed. I'll do up a tally this evening and you guys will get to pick the first mission.
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Mar 18, 2019 21:58
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Yooper posted:Voting is closed. I'll do up a tally this evening and you guys will get to pick the first mission. So, do we just 'hand wave' the rest of the Balkans, or, are you going to wrap up the remainder with our exit in the next update?
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Mar 18, 2019 22:12
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CourValant posted:So, do we just 'hand wave' the rest of the Balkans, or, are you going to wrap up the remainder with our exit in the next update? Hold your horses buckaroo! We'll be starting off roughly where we left off. A hole through the SAM wall and trouble threatening our employer. More to come! 
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Mar 18, 2019 22:39
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The game failed because we weren't using the popular vote winner.  Clearly there's one way to solve that problem.  (though if we just continue with Operation Curryhouse, I'm cool with that too).
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Mar 18, 2019 22:47
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Yooper posted:Hold your horses buckaroo! Good. I'd hate for us to not get to give ROMARM a flaming middle finger or two after all this poo poo. 
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Mar 18, 2019 23:19
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Q_res posted:Why do people keep saying the F-16DG has 9Ms? The page lists it has having the same P-4 Sidewinder as the Mirage F-1s. I was clearly dropped on my head as a baby at some point... Regardless, the Papa is a very respectable all-aspect missile and *much* better than the 5 nmi missiles on the Mirage 2000Cs - the ones we'll have to rely on once jamming spoofs the SARH missiles.
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Mar 18, 2019 23:39
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Yooper posted:Hold your horses buckaroo!  Considering we're in the Balkans, I really like this reference.   And no, I'll never be in the BOAT Lobby. ***** e: Bacarruda posted:Regardless, the Papa is a very respectable all-aspect missile and *much* better than the 5 nmi missiles on the Mirage 2000Cs - the ones we'll have to rely on once jamming spoofs the SARH missiles. So, to play Devil's Advocate, how certain are we that spoofing WILL happen? I mean, aren't we dialing back the tech and counter-tech? Can't we just assume that our platforms and munitions will work as intended against similar level OPFOR? CourValant fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Mar 18, 2019 |
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Mar 18, 2019 23:51
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fun fact: normal surface ships are referred to as, well, ships. submarines are referred to as boats. so it really is a boat lobby this time!
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Mar 18, 2019 23:58
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 This has been one of the more civil procurements to grace the Hired Goons organization. Various factions within the organization wrangled votes and in the midst of what may prove to be a difficult period, have steered us into a unique role. 44 unique goons voted in this most majestic of goonocratic processes. But first, the results. We'll get to the mugging, beatings, and corporate showdown after.  We consulted with Eukie LLC for voting informatics. Votes were analyzed using straight up count (above) and a weighted method similar to what the island of Nauru uses (No poo poo, we really did). In both cases the results came out with the same three options. #1 - 32 Votes - The Submarine. #2 - 31 Votes - 1991 F16DG Blk40 (QTY 4) #3 - 26 Votes - Mirage 2000C (QTY 6) The F-16XL was #3 for quite some time until a few folks switched up to the F16DG. The Mirage F.1 and the J7 each netted a single vote. It should be interesting to see what the other PMC's in the area do with the airframes we didn't purchase. Pilots have been seated in the new aircraft. I selected the newest airframes that were lost and moved those pilots in first, since they'd likely been in planes for the shortest amount of time.   The Submarine, currently referred to as GoonBote 1, is in need of a proper name and a crew. If you want to be on the bote, let me know. If you have a good name, let me know. It'll be departing Mallorca and making its way here.  Now most of you are probably wondering why the mission was scrubbed just when we breached the SAM wall. And you may be wondering why the flight control team was all absent when you landed. And why the Chingoala Ground Mercs all "escorted" you to the bar for a celebration! Yay! Free liquor! Drinks on Goldman! Unbeknownst to you guys we kind of weren't supposed to do this mission. Goldman, the majority shareholder, came in to liquidate all the airframes. Myself, DesperateDan and HabeasDorkus took it upon ourselves to lock the Goldman reps into the mop closet. Just picture a 1950's vintage mop closet, under a mountain, that the goats normally slept in. Just about when you guys breached the SAM line and made it into Bulgarian / Arsenal AD airspace something bad happened. One of our ex-marines took it upon himself to swab the deck in front of "the brig" (our bar). Instead he unleashed a pack of very angry executives. Fast forward 5 minutes and Chingoala LLC had us all rounded up and locked in the actual brig. The Goldman team issued an RTB order and that was that.  As bad as the mop closet was, the actual brig was much, much, worse. Two days later the flight crews departed and they let us out to watch the Gripens make their final flight out of Gjader. The Goldman reps seemed very very insistent we hurry the gently caress up and get the planes in the air and out of the area before dark. Cue the vampire squid jokes.  (My contract luckily had a clause where they couldn't actually fire me while we still have airframes. So hence, I still have my job.) There we sat, nursing our drinks and poring over the new procurement brochures when the news broke. EU.NATO struck. Italian and UK F-35's led the way with German Typhoons and French Rafale's close behind. One by one the SAM-OECM sites crumbled under the onslaught. ROMARM defenses were designed to stop systems like ours, not systems like the F-35. ROMARM bet it all that no one would come knocking. Except the Germans, French, British, and Italians were better equipped than expected with a strength of political will not seen in over a decade. Rumors of Luftwaffe readiness near 5% were widely overblown, and likely encouraged by the Luftwaffe.  The night of April 2nd, 2024, will go down in history just like January 17, 1991. But this time only precision ordnance was used and only against strictly military targets. In one famous case an SA-22 was knocked out in the midst of traffic and not a single vehicle around it was damaged. The dashcam footage is now at 87 million views on YouTube. It's pretty cool. But for all the ordnance sanitizing ROMARM SAM assets they lacked the political will to send in ground troops. Then ROMARM reps filed as a PMC with the UN three days into the bombing. And, legally, they put the UNSC in a pickle. Now they "technically" could exist. They "technically" could own WVR weaponry of all sorts. They could "technically" take contracts just like any other merc. A certain American Senator, famous for handing out copies of Atlas Shrugged to 1st graders, thought this was a perfect place for "the liberating influence of capital" to prove itself once and for all. He wanted Atlas to shrug and show the world that the almighty dollar could bring peace. Peace Sells. But who's buying?  Fast forward to now. The Mirage's and F-16's are inbound from Stockholm via Zurich. Already our flight leaders are doing crash courses on the simulators. Other PMC's are flooding into our AOO, most to secure the borders, but others in the employ of ROMARM. Which brings us to our potential missions. The EUNATO bombings took ROMARM by surprise and halted the advances. But not for long. OPTION #1 : Burgas Bay Brawl  Given the reprieve, a plucky young Captain in the Bulgarian Navy managed to lay mines in Burgas Bay to halt the infantry invasion. The ROMARM invasion fleet is halted offshore waiting for minesweepers to come in from the north. At the same time they are mining the approaches south the prevent any interference and halt supplies in to Bulgaria. This presents difficulties beyond just an infantry invasion to take the tank depot, those mines will prevent Bulgaria from bringing supplies in via sea. Greece isn't allowing ground transport either. GOAL : Destroy the invasion LST's. Prevent the minelaying operation. OPFOR : 4 LST's. Patrol Boats. Destroyer or Frigate. AIR : Expect units of unknown quality to transit from Varna AB. OPTION #2 : Rebarkovo Pass  Bulgarian Armor and Infantry have had an opportunity to dig in near the town of Rebarkovo where Highway 1, 16, and 161 all meet. This is the most immediate threat to Sofia. There is known Olifant tank presence, artillery in Darmantsi along with what appears to be a SAM site west of Mezdra. We also have reports of a large armor service area very close to the front lines. This is unique given the intensity of the fighting and seems very out of place. GOAL : Provide CAS to Bulgarian / Arsenal Troops. Knock out artillery. If possible recon the depot, otherwise destroy. Provide support to the Monastery Field Hospital. OPFOR : Olifant Tanks. Mobile artillery. AAA. WVR SAM system. AIR : Expect units from the Seattle Supersonics to be operating out of Gabrovnitsa 38 NM from the AOO. The Supersonics may provide both CAS and / or air superiority. OPTION #3 : Gorna Strike  Retreating Bulgarian forces were unable to detonate the runway charges at Gorna Airfield. ROMARM air units are using this as a FOB to stage strikes on supply units moving through Bulgaria. ROMARM has good air presence in the east and west, but this single air base is relatively isolated and could be struck before reinforcements come in from either flank. If we know it, ROMARM probably knows it, and this site is likely well defended by AAA and SAM's. Judging by the road traffic complaints on instagram there is a large quantity of heavy barreled AAA in the area. ROMARM has been rotating air units through so we don't have a good idea of what exactly to expect. Reports say the strike aircraft was sloooooow. No word on escorts. We've run into an issue, and that is how exactly to beat an enemy when he can just purchase more planes? So far we think removing qualified pilots is the best way to do it. GOAL : Strike the Gorna Airfield. Destroy airframes, primary. Destroy runway, secondary. Destroy services, tertiary. Opportunities to engage pilots encouraged. OPFOR : AAA. WVR SAM systems. MANPADs. AIR : Unknown.  First and foremost : What is the name of the sub and who wants on it? Second, which mission do you vote for? It's likely we'll get to do all 3. Back to you Hired Goons!
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Mar 19, 2019 00:52
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Please put me on the boat. Please. I really like submarines, okay. I say we call it the "One Of Ours, Sir!" or maybe "SSK Boat Lobby" Voting for Burgas Bay Brawl to put our Radio Free Kobold fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Mar 19, 2019 |
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Mar 19, 2019 00:56
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Put me in the bote, name it Under Pressure Option 1
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Mar 19, 2019 00:56
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I'll take a spot on the bote. Also I'd vote for Bay Brawl. I think it allows us to use all our available resources.
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Mar 19, 2019 01:03
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Option 1. It is the most harmful operation for our employer I personally believe the double wammy of the enemy landing troops and securing the area and cutting off our employer's supply lines is just too high of a risk to ignore it for later not to mention if they lay mines it could change to an escort mission and who likes escort missions?
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Mar 19, 2019 01:03
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Voting Option 1. Also, sub should be named Long, Hard and Full of Seamen. Or we can simply steal Banks' idea and name it Profit Margin. Gervasius fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Mar 19, 2019 |
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Mar 19, 2019 01:12
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Option 1, it lets us use all of our assets to greatest effect. Spam Mavericks and LGBs at the LSTs, bote botes, Mirages CAP, support assets support. For the bote, Bratsk II, named for the bravest bote in the Pacific.
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Mar 19, 2019 01:23
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Bratsk II is a good name for a good boat. If this boat is half as stupid-yet-good as Aphid's O.G. Bratsk, I will be a happy camper. Pic related, it's the original Bratsk.
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Mar 19, 2019 01:24
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I think Option 1 is the best scenario to run first. Yooper can you please chime in on what A2G guided weapons are still legal? (thinking about the Intruders specifically) Or is it only BVR A2A weapons that are curtailed in use?
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Mar 19, 2019 01:34
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