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Pope Guilty posted:I like nano because it works more or less like MSDOS EDIT, the text editor I grew up using. DOSSHELL in ms-dos 5.0 was tits
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Data Graham posted:DOSSHELL in ms-dos 5.0 was tits Oh hell yeah, I loving loved DOSSHELL. I'm still nostalgic for MS-DOS 5.0 and 6.0.
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Mar 19, 2019 01:07
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Nano supremacy Pope Guilty posted:I like nano because it works more or less like MSDOS EDIT, the text editor I grew up using. my dudes 
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Mar 19, 2019 01:29
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I do believe there’s enough of us that we can resist a mass pantsing
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Mar 19, 2019 01:37
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I use this editor for my every-day work so honestly I have little business making GBS threads on anyone's preferences: It's called Acme and it's pretty good if you're willing to devote several years getting real proficient at it, which makes it sort of like Emacs except Emacs actually has documentation and resources online. Here's a nerd narrating a video demo: https://research.swtch.com/acme and here's some other nerd writing about it: https://davidyat.es/2015/11/13/text-editing-software-ii/
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Mar 19, 2019 01:57
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What’s the writing os(?) that GRRM uses
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Mar 19, 2019 01:58
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Empress Brosephine posted:What’s the writing os(?) that GRRM uses TempleOS
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Powered Descent posted:Trumpet Winsock Our ISP's install floppies installed Trumpet Winsock with scripts to start/stop an internet timer app when you would connect/disconnect. Only the disconnect portion didn't work, so we had to manually stop it. Gotta make sure you don't go over that ten hours a month! Good thing 12AM-6AM doesn't count against your hours!
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Mar 19, 2019 02:24
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Empress Brosephine posted:What’s the writing os(?) that GRRM uses WordStar 4.0, apparently. It's just a DOS program.
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Mar 19, 2019 02:38
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I tried to find a picture of Teko (or TekoPlus which is the version I used) but... there are none to be found. I guess I need to start my own youtube and make a video of it.
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Mar 19, 2019 03:48
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Somewhere at my parents’ house is a printout of the TECO manual on wide-format tractor-feed greenbar and “bound” on one side with an old bootlace.
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Mar 19, 2019 05:19
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Just watched that Acme video for a while and it reminds me of that one uhh all-in-one calendar/event planner/editor/scheduler/clock/whatever thing that probably came up earlier in this thread and still had a devoted fanbase of the 50 people who ever actually figured out how to use it.Vincent Van Goatse posted:I'm still nostalgic for MS-DOS 5.0 and 6.0. What is offensive is that I then started using Microsoft Works for my documents, since I had the disc sitting around unused from a previous computer purchase. So it was probably not even the most recent version of Microsoft Works. And I believe that was when I was happily running Windows ME for a few years. How did I make it this far in life when I rolled so hard with all these tech relics *wow and looking into QEdit I learned that this means I was using a version made no later than 1994, as the name was changed to "The Semware Editor" in 1995; why was I not banned from campus
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Mar 19, 2019 05:28
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I used DOS EDIT daily for my job. One of the PCs has DOS 5 and doesn't have a mouse (or even a place to plug one in). It's a 33mhz 486. It has a turbo button but we leave it off. There's really not a good reason its so old, all it needs is a serial port to talk to the testers its connected to. The Windows 7 machine nearby would work too, but it just won't die so why not. The testers are from 1982, and the PC is used to replace the tape drives to load the OS. The testers use a Z80 CPU.
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Mar 19, 2019 06:21
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Dr. Quarex posted:What is offensive is that I then started using Microsoft Works for my documents, since I had the disc sitting around unused from a previous computer purchase. So it was probably not even the most recent version of Microsoft Works. And I believe that was when I was happily running Windows ME for a few years. How did I make it this far in life when I rolled so hard with all these tech relics loving Microsoft Works. This thing was so common and nothing else would easily open the drat files it made. If memory serves even loving Word wouldn't open them. I remember there was a period of time when this was one of the most common technical problems I was being asked to deal with. Fuckers.
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Mar 19, 2019 06:35
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CaptainSarcastic posted:loving Microsoft Works. Oh my god Microsoft Works. Just dealing with different versions of .doc files was retarded enough but Works actually was a completely different beast than the Office suite and used a proprietary file format for everything. It was common at the time, but still, gently caress that poo poo.
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Mar 19, 2019 06:58
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Data Graham posted:DOSSHELL in ms-dos 5.0 was tits Atomic Gorillas?
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Mar 19, 2019 07:00
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CaptainSarcastic posted:loving Microsoft Works. loving thing finally is workable but that poo poo was just lost for a few years until I found something. Was it popular because that was the gimped version of Word that MS would bundle with computers?
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FilthyImp posted:
Basically, yeah. The Works suite had a neat idea behind it in that the different functions were actually integrated under the hood in a way that made running the whole thing at once possible on low spec systems with minimal memory footprint and performance requirements. This was back when running both Word and Excel would grind your mom's lovely Dell Win95 tower to a screeching halt.
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FilthyImp posted:Was it popular because that was the gimped version of Word that MS would bundle with computers? It was popular because oems could bundle it with their PCs for much less than the equivalent office product would cost. It was never based on word, though. Works was a completely independent set of applications developed by a company to compete with office that Microsoft bought up to maintain their market share. They chose to keep it in a proprietary box so it couldn’t compete with office. There are dozens of Microsoft’s products that started out like this.
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klafbang posted:Eight Pope Guilty posted:I like nano because it works more or less like MSDOS EDIT, the text editor I grew up using. SETEDIT:  RHIDE:  They're both open source and share some code or something. Not sure how well they work under modern Linux though, they probably haven't been updated for a long time. Okay they're probably more like MS-DOS EDIT than nano is in terms of appearance and keys, but less like it in terms of power, having multiple windows, etc. Dr. Quarex posted:*wow and looking into QEdit I learned that this means I was using a version made no later than 1994, as the name was changed to "The Semware Editor" in 1995; why was I not banned from campus  0toShifty posted:I used DOS EDIT daily for my job. One of the PCs has DOS 5 and doesn't have a mouse (or even a place to plug one in). It's a 33mhz 486. It has a turbo button but we leave it off. There's really not a good reason its so old, all it needs is a serial port to talk to the testers its connected to. The Windows 7 machine nearby would work too, but it just won't die so why not. The testers are from 1982, and the PC is used to replace the tape drives to load the OS. The testers use a Z80 CPU. I remember when we upgraded our PC to have a second port so we could use the modem and the mouse at the same time and the guy tried testing the new port by plugging mice into both ports. Even as a kid who wasn't yet a teenager I was like "uhh is the mouse driver really going to let you load two copies of itself?" It didn't.
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Buttcoin purse posted:I remember when we upgraded our PC to have a second port so we could use the modem and the mouse at the same time and the guy tried testing the new port by plugging mice into both ports. Even as a kid who wasn't yet a teenager I was like "uhh is the mouse driver really going to let you load two copies of itself?" It didn't. I want 2 mouse pointers. Alias Wavefront had a demo back in the day (could have been Autodesk) of having two 'mouses' think of one being your 'palette' and the other your tool of choice. Left options/right tools. and you would drag the left mouse with its icons over where you wanted it and clicked through with your tool mouse. I thought it was quite awesome back then and probably insperation for the 3D Pilot Pro devices for 3D Modellers.
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related: does anyone remember some windows me-era feature or browser that would let you do "multiplayer" web browsing? like, you or the user you were connected to could click and scroll around on a webpage and you'd see the other user's cursor but it was a different color or transparent or something? was that just a fever dream?
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well, settlers 2 had a local splitscreen mode using multiple mouse pointers. i tried it with a ps2 and a serial mouse back in the day but never found a working combo of drivers. that dumbass game was enough trouble to get running by itself, i had to make a separate autoexec.bat for xms
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Mar 19, 2019 12:09
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Can you still get and run the space cadet pinball that came with Windows 98 (I think) and use it on Windows 10? Or is it locked in Windows legacy hell? I really miss that game
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:I used to use notepad++ for everything but I switched to Sublime Text recently Same. I used to use notepad++ when I worked in IT and just sort of tinkered around with development. Now I'm a developer, Sublime Text owns. I've been using it for years and despite trying different things I always end up going back to it.
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I like VS Code more than ST but it’s interesting how development went to minimalism in the form of text editors
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Can you still get and run the space cadet pinball that came with Windows 98 (I think) and use it on Windows 10? You can get it but I think I remember reading that the physics don’t work right on newer machines
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I am glad to see the shared nightmare of Microsoft Works. I had actually forgotten why I hated it, so thanks for reminding me about its proprietary incompatibility with Anything Else At AllButtcoin purse posted:I remember using that.. until MS-DOS 5 shipped with EDIT No I do actually find it pleasant to use now also honestly. I barely even remember why I... Oh wait yes I do. 100% because QEdit could be made with white text on black and that was exactly what I wanted in a text editor in 1992
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barbecue at the folks posted:This was back when running both Word and Excel would grind your mom's lovely Dell Win95 tower to a screeching halt. I feel like we're almost back in those days since the last few versions of Word start to chug hard if you dont save your work constantly. A lot of the documents we have to make at my work have a lot of tables in them, and Word will start to chug after you've made only a handful of edits.
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Mar 19, 2019 17:26
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Excel runs like poo poo sometimes too. And I hate how it doesn't accept scroll wheel inputs when not in focus, when everything else does.
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Cojawfee posted:Excel runs like poo poo sometimes too. And I hate how it doesn't accept scroll wheel inputs when not in focus, when everything else does. I still have to run this program on Win7 because you can't scroll any unfocused windows. I think MS finally added that in 8 or 10. 
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Humphreys posted:I want 2 mouse pointers. Alias Wavefront had a demo back in the day (could have been Autodesk) of having two 'mouses' think of one being your 'palette' and the other your tool of choice. Left options/right tools. and you would drag the left mouse with its icons over where you wanted it and clicked through with your tool mouse. tl;dr: no you don't. I used to work on a research project starting in 2001. We were developing an application as part of a research collaboration between a programming language group (developing the Beta programming language, people from there would go on to make major contributions to Java), a formal methods group, and the HCI group. Corporate partners included Microsoft and HP. As part of the work, we were developing basically a graphical graph editor. We used all kinds of new things, like marking menus and mode-less user interfaces. As part of that, we experimented with multiple pointing devices. Windows didn't support that at the time, so I made a device driver that would allow us to filter out the mouse events before they were passed on to Windows. At first, we supported two pointing devices (typically a mouse and a trackball). One thing you could do was use tool palettes in "tool glass" mode, where you would pick up the tool palette with (typically) the trackball, and click thru it onto the background to select what to do and where to do it simultaneously (e.g., click on a rectangle tool to draw a rectangle on the background). You can kind-of vaguely see that in circle 1 – there's two mouse cursers in there and you can see thru it, unlike the regular tool palette in circle 3:  You could also do simple two-pointer gestures, such as the pinch to zoom made popular by the iPhone. I'm fairly certain they at least partially ripped that feature off from us (we didn't invent it but we had the first implementation that was not just a single-use prototype). You could use a similar interaction to move and resize your windows simultaneously. All of this was immensely useless. Due to two pointing devices not being supported natively, we had to handle events and draw the cursors ourselves, meaning one would always lag. It also turns out that saving milliseconds by selecting what to do and where to do it simultaneously isn't really that important, and zooming things is far less ubiquitous that you'd think, so having a nice way to do it was a bit of a waste. After a couple of years, we generalized things a bit; now each pointing device was able to do the same things (initially the exactly two pointing devices each had separate things they could do), and we removed limits on how many you could use simultaneously. During development, I had something like 4 mice and 3 trackballs hooked up to my computer.  Having multiple pointing devices that could do the same, meant that people could collaborate on a single computer. We did experiments with teachers and students collaborating to use the tool. It worked ok, I guess. It turns out that except for very specialized repetitive tasks, the ability for more people to click the mouse isn't really that important. Somebody did run with the idea, though, and inspired by my driver for pointing devices set out to do the same for keyboards to build cheap computers for Africa (so more than one person could use a single computer, each with their own mouse and keyboard). An alternative suggested by some people at a conference I demoed the application at suggested using multiple tools for multiple things. So you'd have one mouse for drawing red and another for drawing yellow, conceptually. That way you would physically switch between them giving all kinds of immediacy and other buzzwords UXers love. We did have a go with our application on a smart display, but the hardware wouldn't allow us to use multiple pens simultaneously. I bet they still don't except for simple drawing at best. I was also in contact with various developers of game libraries, that wanted to integrate my work. Around the time, DirectDraw and DirectX would begin to have a semblance of support for multiple pointing devices. I also made a proof-of-concept application that would allow you to use multiple pointing devices in regular Windows applications. It would simply draw it's own mouse cursors on top of everything else and hide the regular Windows mouse cursor. It would warp the hidden Windows cursor to the location of the last moved mouse cursor, giving a cheap illusion of multiple pointers. A big problem with this is that Windows programs are inherently modal. For example, where does the little squigglies go when you type on your keyboard? to the active window, of course. But what if you have two mouse cursors, and they each click in a window? Which one is "the active one"? Shouldn't they both be? What if one mouse is in the process of dragging and dropping, and the other clicks on save, so Windows pops up a dialog? We found dozens of such issues making supporting multiple mice near-impossible. That's likely why Windows (and OS X) to this day only supports one cursor and multi-touch is only used for gestures. This whole shebang did buy mew a lot of trips around the world to various conferences, including an all expenses paid trip to visit Microsoft Research in Cambridge, which was excellent because at one of the college bars, the bartender very quickly picked up on Microsoft footing the bill and me being very fond of pints of his strong ale to the point that on the second evening there, he would wave me past the line to the bar to hand me a pint of my poison. Also, I got to see prototypes of generics in .net and F# back when it was still called sml.net. So all in all, there's a reason we don't have multiple mouse cursors. It's an interesting idea and fun to play with, but not really useful. Apple's "dumbing down" of the concept to gestures is probably the best way to go about it in retrospect. klafbang has a new favorite as of 21:22 on Mar 19, 2019 |
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My MS Office gripe right now is that it produces a mouse input polling bug when you try to drag its windows around, causing sluggish movement
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C:\>copy con butt.bat @ECHO OFF prompt butt$g ^z C:\>butt butt>
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Empress Brosephine posted:I like VS Code more than ST but it’s interesting how development went to minimalism in the form of text editors VS Code is the best thing to come out of Microsoft in a long time, but fresh out of the box, it'll try to do too many things for you by default. Fortunately all this stuff is configurable. But I wanted to punch the thing until I googled how to turn off the "Oh, you typed a quote, or a parenthesis? I'll helpfully put the closing one in for you too!" function.
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OS 9 would let you plug two mice in. I know because I got the brilliant idea to do it with one of the iMacs in the computer lab one day, and got sent to the principal's office.
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Mar 19, 2019 22:45
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I have two mice plugged into my computer. One at my desk, and one in my nerd pit.
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Cojawfee posted:Excel runs like poo poo sometimes too. And I hate how it doesn't accept scroll wheel inputs when not in focus, when everything else does. Also on the topic of Excel being lovely and old software and whatnot: My dad still complains about Excel being inferior to Lotus 123 to this very day.
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SLOSifl posted:C:\>copy con butt.bat My elementary schools used Apple IIs so I couldn't ever do this trick.
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The Apple IIe booted to a live BASIC shell if there was no disk, so the following was a pretty common site: code:
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