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Mierenneuker posted:In retrospect, it is really obvious that Adam McKay was going to make a movie like The Big Short if you watched the credits to The Other Guys. After his obvious next two projects (TLC biopic, Dirty Mike and the Boys spinoff), The Other Guys is going to be like the Pixar napkin.
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Lurdiak posted:Jesus loving Christ why did I never hear of this before today. Curiously, Klebold was half Jewish and his family was semi-practicing. It's a controversial point whether Harris was a textbook psychopath or not, some firmly believe he was while others challenge that, but it definitely makes sense from there why he was drawn to the Nazis. He also was obsessed with Timothy McVeigh and had hoped Columbine would top Oklahoma City. I think had their plans never come to fruition it's not hard to imagine Harris ultimately embracing white supremacy/Neo-Nazi groups but his violence was more firmly rooted in a general megalomania that saw everyone on Earth as inferior to him versus a specific "we must protect the white race" ideology.
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Mar 19, 2019 15:09
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The thing that always strikes me about Columbine talk is how wrong the media got it. Harris and Klebold were portrayed as victims of bullying, when they were more likely to do bullying themselves. Christians berated the “she said yes” girl so thoroughly, she said it was easier to forgive the shooters than the Christians. Marilyn Manson was blamed for the shooting, when the shooters were big fans of KMFDM and thought Manson was a poser.
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Mar 19, 2019 15:13
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The bullying thing is also disputed. Dave Cullen's book has been criticized for downplaying it while others say Klebold and Harris were victims of bullying. There seems to be a bit of truth to both sides -- they were just as much bullied as they then turned that around and took it out on weaker kids. Klebold was punished for scratching "Fag" into a freshman's locker, for example. As for the She Said Yes story, that's just a sad and tragic tale of miscommunication and the truth conflicting with emotions. It's hard to summarize quickly but the long short of it is Cassie Bernall had been a troubled teen and went through therapy after writing about how she wanted to kill her parents a few years prior. She got treatment, had a Come To Jesus moment and had fully embraced Christianity for several years at the time of the shooting. She was in the library and was hiding under a desk next to another girl named Emily, who's last name I forget. Eric Harris came up to their desk, bent down and said "Peekaboo" and shot her in the face before she could say anything. Meanwhile, Klebold shot a girl named Val Schnurr and after she had been shot in the leg asked her "Do you believe in God?" She said "Yes, I do." He asked "Why?" She said "Because my parents raised me to." For whatever reason, he got distracted or heard a noise or just decided to leave her alone and she lived. Craig Scott, the brother of Rachel Scott who was the first to die and also very Christian, was playing dead in the library at the time. He was stuck in between two boys who were shot and both died. He heard the exchange and in the chaos thought Cassie had said it before she was shot, not Val. He told the story that afternoon and it got out. Cassie's parents took a lot of comfort in it and the evangelical community immediately began talking about how she was a martyr. She very quickly was offered a book deal and she decided to take it as a therapeutic way to cope with her daughter's death. Meanwhile, Val was trying to tell her account, which included the God question, and no one believed her because they thought she was just trying to piggyback off of Cassie's death. The survivors toured the library in May and Craig Scott became frustrated when he misidentified where Cassie and Val were in the room, and Emily had a ton of guilt over knowing the truth about how Cassie died but also not wanting to devastate her parents all over again. She met with them to tell them but had trouble giving a direct answer. One of the investigators also told her mother there were "disputed accounts" but that she should move forward with the book deal. Ultimately, the book came out in September and became a best seller, and the media ended up spilling the beans embarrassing her mother and forcing the Christians into an uproar that the media was trying to tarnish a martyr. Basically, the long short of it is that Columbine is just a terribly sad tragedy no matter which way you cut it.
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Mar 19, 2019 15:24
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X-Ray Pecs posted:The thing that always strikes me about Columbine talk is how wrong the media got it. Harris and Klebold were portrayed as victims of bullying, when they were more likely to do bullying themselves. Christians berated the “she said yes” girl so thoroughly, she said it was easier to forgive the shooters than the Christians. Marilyn Manson was blamed for the shooting, when the shooters were big fans of KMFDM and thought Manson was a poser. Yeah I hate this poo poo about how the shooters were two misunderstood bullied kids instead of total assholes themselves. It basically tainted an entire generation of students not just as the bullied kids started getting patronized to, but schools’ anti-bullying programs based themselves off of the assumption that the kids they were looking to protect were going to murder them at any second. We’re only just starting to break away from that narrative in schools today, too late for me though!
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Mar 19, 2019 15:27
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X-Ray Pecs posted:The thing that always strikes me about Columbine talk is how wrong the media got it. Harris and Klebold were portrayed as victims of bullying, when they were more likely to do bullying themselves. Christians berated the “she said yes” girl so thoroughly, she said it was easier to forgive the shooters than the Christians. Marilyn Manson was blamed for the shooting, when the shooters were big fans of KMFDM and thought Manson was a poser. People also kind of blur the narrative by not acknowledging that Eric Harris was a legit loving psychopath even to a degree that was an outlier in mass shooting cases. If he hadn’t been able to orchestrate Columbine he would have almost assuredly become a serial killer or committed some kind of Oklahoma City-level terrorist attack. The school shooting was just the easiest vector for him to act out his violent fantasies at the time.
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Mar 19, 2019 15:43
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The only noticable effect Columbine has on bullying in my school is my bullies would ocassionally now make school shooting jokes. The whole thing created a stigma against the bullied which, while not stopping bullying at all, managed to create this whole other layer if bullshit I had to have people assume about me. Really, the full take away is the usual there not being easy answers or places to put blame and being bullied has no actual correlation with becoming a white supremacists murderer.
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Mar 19, 2019 15:45
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Something about Elephant always bugged me when I saw it back in 2000-something and finding out about them being white supremacists really puts a damper around the whole ambiguity Gus Van Sant was going for.
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Mar 19, 2019 15:49
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Honest Thief posted:Something about Elephant always bugged me when I saw it back in 2000-something and finding out about them being white supremacists really puts a damper around the whole ambiguity Gus Van Sant was going for. I know what he was going for but I really don't like how he embraces the homophobic rumors that went around that they were gay for each other. The best movies based on Columbine are Ben Coccio's Zero Day and William Hellfire and Joey Smack's Duck! The Carbine High Massacre.
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Mar 19, 2019 15:53
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Shocking that this poo poo is legal. https://twitter.com/neilhimself/status/1108019189963472896?s=19
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Mar 19, 2019 16:00
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TrixRabbi posted:I know what he was going for but I really don't like how he embraces the homophobic rumors that went around that they were gay for each other. Haven't heard of either but gonna check out, I guess at the time the whole exercise seemed interesting but kinda shallow or pointless, I dunno seemed like someone who is foreign to the culture doing a movie about it; until I found out that Gus is American.
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Mar 19, 2019 16:16
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Gyro deniers will be the first against the wall
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Mar 19, 2019 16:18
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X-Ray Pecs posted:The thing that always strikes me about Columbine talk is how wrong the media got it. Harris and Klebold were portrayed as victims of bullying, when they were more likely to do bullying themselves. Christians berated the “she said yes” girl so thoroughly, she said it was easier to forgive the shooters than the Christians. Marilyn Manson was blamed for the shooting, when the shooters were big fans of KMFDM and thought Manson was a poser. They didn't get it wrong so much as they were willing to lie.
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Mar 19, 2019 16:20
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Honest Thief posted:Haven't heard of either but gonna check out, I guess at the time the whole exercise seemed interesting but kinda shallow or pointless, I dunno seemed like someone who is foreign to the culture doing a movie about it; until I found out that Gus is American. My problem with Elephant is the entire disaffected malaise does not suit the material at all. Like, the gently caress is up with that piano scene? Not to mention how Van Sant constantly teases the massacre (such as the girl running to the library) in a really crass manner. I dunno, camerawork aside I think he tackled the material the wrong way. So Duck! is a fascinating film. It went into production weeks after Columbine and was made on a budget of a few thousand dollars. It is a nasty, cynical, trash film with something of an early John Waters vibe and yet in a way feels far more honest than many of the other films based on the attack. The killers are Neo-Nazi shitheads who antagonize the rest of the student body. The violence is crass, the characters are all assholes. And yet, in its tastelessness it seems to find something that works. It's meant to be offensive and by being offensive we get one of the best fictionalized versions of Harris and Klebold. They're never sympathetic, even when they do get the poo poo beat out of them for insulting the jocks. Zero Day is a bit more nuanced. It's a found footage mockumentary using unknown actors, basically a fictionalized version of The Basement Tapes and the lead-up to the attack.
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Mar 19, 2019 16:26
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Duck! (The Carbine High Massacre) is easily the best Columbine movie.
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Mar 19, 2019 16:31
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:They didn't get it wrong so much as they were willing to lie. The Daily Mail just yesterday wrote a piece on how the Christchurch shooter was bullied in school.
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Mar 19, 2019 16:32
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:They didn't get it wrong so much as they were willing to lie. Yeah, this is a better way to put it. As a big KMFDM fan, the confusion over KMFDM vs Marilyn Manson doesn’t make sense, until I remember that Manson was already a boogeyman to parents, a satanist who cut out his ribs to give the self succ. No one gave a poo poo about weirdo satirical Germans.
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Mar 19, 2019 16:36
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X-Ray Pecs posted:Yeah, this is a better way to put it. As a big KMFDM fan, the confusion over KMFDM vs Marilyn Manson doesn’t make sense, until I remember that Manson was already a boogeyman to parents, a satanist who cut out his ribs to give the self succ. No one gave a poo poo about weirdo satirical Germans. It helps that no one who was trying to demonize Manson actually listened to the music.
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Mar 19, 2019 16:37
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Skwirl posted:It helps that no one who was trying to demonize Manson actually listened to the music. Because if they listened to it, they would also become satanists!!
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X-Ray Pecs posted:Yeah, this is a better way to put it. As a big KMFDM fan, the confusion over KMFDM vs Marilyn Manson doesn’t make sense, until I remember that Manson was already a boogeyman to parents, a satanist who cut out his ribs to give the self succ. No one gave a poo poo about weirdo satirical Germans. He was also the gayest of them all. He played with gender a lot and was the creepiest looking. But they never tried to blame Slipknot or Nine Inch Nails (Klebold loved The Downward Spiral for instance) or any of the other bands with goth or horror movie imagery. Nah, it was the dude with a woman's name who just released an album where the cover was him with a feminine body devoid of detailed features. edit: Well, NIN was in the crossfire, but not nearly to the degree Manson was targeted -- http://www.mtv.com/news/513971/senators-criticize-marilyn-manson-nine-inch-nails-at-hearing/
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Mar 19, 2019 16:41
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It’s not about Columbine but the best movie about a school shooting IMO is Denis Villeneuve’s Polytechnique. Devastating film. I started watching Vox Lux the other day but haven’t finished it. It’s weird.
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Mar 19, 2019 16:44
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i'm getting that from netflix tomorrow along with Blade of the Immortal
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Mar 19, 2019 17:12
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Manson really is a poser, though.
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Pirate Jet posted:Manson really is a poser, though. I listened to Portrait of an American Family a bit ago (pretty sure it’s the only album without rapist Twiggy Ramirez), and yeah it’s not super heavy or industrial.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Also holy poo poo Love, Death & Robots rules What's good about it? I watched the first 4 eps and so far it's pure trash, 4th one being pure fascist trash.
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Mar 19, 2019 17:23
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:They didn't get it wrong so much as they were willing to lie. That and the local PD conveniently “lost” the many complaints filed against Harris by the mother of a fellow student until like five years ago. Between the evangelists licking their chops at pulling in new members and the authorities trying to minimize their responsibility lots of hands with bad intentions were able to stir the pot.
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Majkol posted:What's good about it? I watched the first 4 eps and so far it's pure trash, 4th one being pure fascist trash. Which four episodes were they? I just saw something on Twitter claiming Netflix gives different episode orders depending on if they think you’re gay or straight.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:It’s not about Columbine but the best movie about a school shooting IMO is Denis Villeneuve’s Polytechnique. Devastating film. It’s gonna be even weirder, since the 2nd half is very different than the first.
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X-Ray Pecs posted:Which four episodes were they? I just saw something on Twitter claiming Netflix gives different episode orders depending on if they think you’re gay or straight. The one with the Kaijus, three robots, the Witness and the one about brave white ( colonizing ) farmers defending their lands from waves of nondescript dark mutant demons. I really liked the animation in the Witness, lots of great use of reflected surfaces and great locations but they could have easily told the same story without making it a soft core porn flick. I guess the bdsm esthetic was the point but meh. Majkol fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Mar 19, 2019 |
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Kenneth, your double feature made me think: would you rather have Point Break but with Alex Winter as Bodhi OR Bogus Journey but with Patrick Swayze as Bill? Twist ending: You get Busey as Rufus and Carlin as Pappas!
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Baron von Eevl posted:Kenneth, your double feature made me think: would you rather have Point Break but with Alex Winter as Bodhi OR Bogus Journey but with Patrick Swayze as Bill? What fresh hell is this? edit: Like, I guess Winter as Bodhi, but he'd probably be one of the gang and not the dude.
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Mar 19, 2019 17:34
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Be honest, Busey would have been a wild Rufus
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K. Waste posted:What fresh hell is this? Alex Winter played a henchman pretty well in Lost Boys, which is also very Point Break-y in its structure.
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Baron von Eevl posted:Be honest, Busey would have been a wild Rufus I'll be honest, then, it would be a completely different, way more unhinged and uncomfortable movie. Carlin has that perfect ex-hippie grandpa vibe. If a lightning-covered phonebooth dropped from the ether like something out of Terminator, and the thing you saw emerging from it was Gary Busey's visage, that's not a stoner comedy, that's Lovecraftian horror. ruddiger posted:Alex Winter played a henchman pretty well in Lost Boys, which is also very Point Break-y in its structure. And in its sexual tension.
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I think Carlin would have also been a good cop, way more of a subdued performance. Either change, and that includes switching Winter for Swayze, would have resulted in a wildly different movie. Having Rufus being the one normal acting person in the movie definitely grounds it in a way. If that was Busey it would have really changed it to be an amplification; suddenly Bill and Ted are the normal ones and we start to question why anyone would listen to Mr Electric Phonebooth.
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I watched Harold & Maude. It's a good movie, but it did not do it for me at all. Which is odd because I'm a massive Wes Anderson fan. I think it's because of the specific brands of quirky the titular characters were. When Harold said he liked going to funerals I just thought, "Whoa, look at Tyler Durden Jr. over here!" And elderly people losing the ability to drive isn't a joke, people fuckin die because of that. Maude's carefree car stealing ways directly endanger everyone else on the road. What really killed it for me was how poorly the movie and Harold treat his three dates. They're presented as being boring or inconsequential people, and it's good fun when Harold fucks with them. They are there to date Harold, a guy who has absolutely nothing to recommend himself. He's just a sadboy failson, one of those women had a really important job, another one had an actual ambition and goal. They were all way too good for him. Hey Harold, maybe your time with the therapist would go better if you actually ever said anything to him. If living with your mom is so stifling, maybe get a job and move out of the house. I get that she doesn't show you the love you need, maybe if you actually talked to her or did literally anything other than spend the past several years staging faked suicides you could spark change in your relationship with you. Thank loving god an elderly lady dropped out of the sky to drag you kicking and screaming out of your sadboy mansion life, and then die at just the right point for your character development. Man, gently caress Harold.
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Love Death + Robots has a lot of problems including being heteronormative af but lmao @ calling the farmers episode fascist. Plus not all of those characters were white anyway. Could someone please explain to my dumb rear end what packaging fees actually ARE? Every article I read just takes it as a given that the reader knows what the term means.
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Baron von Eevl posted:I think Carlin would have also been a good cop, way more of a subdued performance. Either change, and that includes switching Winter for Swayze, would have resulted in a wildly different movie. Well it would also imply that Busey is representative of a more enlightened society. Which he is.
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