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Ames seems to have somewhat made his peace after the latest smear campaigns. He mentions Matt by name in conversation now, which he didn't used to do.
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Helsing posted:I don't know if there was some specific incident that pushed them apart, but from an outside perspective it seems unsurprising. Starting from more or less the same place in the 1990s, covering many of the same issues and using a very similar authorial voice, these two guys ended up have very divergent careers, with one achieving a lot of mainstream recognition and success while the other was semi-blacklisted from respectable journalism and relies heavily on a subscriber funded podcast. Combine that with two macho personalities and it seems like the bigger shock would be if they hadn't had some kind of falling out. Somewhere I saw it was over the direction of the eXile, with Taibbi wanting more hard investigative stuff and Mark wanting to stay more gonzo. If that's true, "creative differences", yeah. I also heard a quote years ago (can't source it though) that Mark kinda insulted Matt about Matt's journalist dad/lineage, like a "oh yeah, go ahead and quit, go be the famous mainstream reporter you were always gonna turn out to be". Maybe a little jealousy & resentment mixed with the punk/DIY/gonzo justification. What bits I've heard made young-Mark probably the rear end in a top hat in that situation, but I always wondered why he was the guy that stayed plugged into other eXile reporters, and not Matt. What's really telling was their response to the gross attempts to smear them after #MeToo. Matt immediately prostrates himself and begs forgiveness, and Mark just flipped the bird. But yeah wish they'd hug it out, they both do incredible work.
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Semi-related, I recall John casting shade in Matt’s direction once because his articles on Thomas Friedman were similar to earlier ones John had written. It might have been early on in the podcast.
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Mar 19, 2019 23:23
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they cooperated on their Russia book, so I’m not so sure they resent each other as much as this thread implies. Mark keeps in touch with other Exile contributors because their careers are still in the same place while Matt Taino is a big time essayist. Yasha Levine does practically nothing but investigative journalism.
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Mar 19, 2019 23:35
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the resentment (if it exists) goes both ways and would be justifiable ames feeling of being betrayed and/or jealous of taibbi’s meteoric rise to Respectable Journalist after the exile days taibbi having the albatross of the reality of the exile’s existence every 2 years as credulous morons ask if it’s true that that’s totally speculation without anything concrete to back it up, but they’re obviously not nearly as close as they once were even if the animosity might not be there
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Mar 19, 2019 23:52
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And John was the best of all of them but he knows no resentment, only boundless forgiveness and an earnest desire to leave this bathroom now, please.
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Mar 19, 2019 23:57
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A global survey of hack dentists and access to otc painkillers.
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Mar 20, 2019 15:03
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I hope Dolan writes a travel book
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Mar 20, 2019 15:05
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is there a blackwolf or not? i haven't listened for two months since i got poor
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i say swears online posted:is there a blackwolf or not? i haven't listened for two months since i got poor if you donate once and get the rss feed link, it keeps updating even if you stop i feel bad though, feel like they need the money. but im poor too!
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THS posted:if you donate once and get the rss feed link, it keeps updating even if you stop They switch up the rss every now and then so you have to pony up the cash at least a few times a year.
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Mar 20, 2019 22:32
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Hello Fellow Poors! Even though the lowest tier is $5 you can subscribe for $1 and get access to the episodes! This has permitted me to retain access to 2 whole patreons despite my complete deprivation! I'm not sure if this is intentional or not!
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Mar 20, 2019 22:42
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coathat posted:I hope Dolan writes a travel book i totally understand people's financial woes, but at the same time we need to get this thing up to flight-to-central-african-republic-tier money
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From that article Vanity Fair or someone did back in 2010/2011 where the journalist who went to interview Taibbi ended up having coffee thrown at his face, one of the things that broke down the relationship between Ames and Taibbi (and there probably isn't one thing, just growing antagonism with one another in a pretty crazy place) was that Ames went to the US for a couple of years to do research on his book about workplace shootings and left Taibbi running the eXile. Taibbi promptly got addicted to heroin, if he wasn't already, and from Ames point of view, ran it into the ground. I think Ames tried to do Taibbi a solid when Mikey C spun up the same rape accusations against the two of them for their satire book when Ames both admitted that looking back they were pretty gross and that he, not Taibbi, wrote the worst parts in the eXile book. Not that that would satisfy people gunning for them already -- the WaPo let some journalist who had been slighted by the two back in the 90s because she ghoulishly gloated about the excess deaths in Russia re-litigate their wrongdoings as violent, virulent misogyny. Dreylad has issued a correction as of 23:39 on Mar 20, 2019 |
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Mar 20, 2019 23:31
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looks like a whole new episode on Nigeria was posted.
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i need a longer commute, im three episodes behind
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Dreylad posted:From that article Vanity Fair or someone did back in 2010/2011 where the journalist who went to interview Taibbi ended up having coffee thrown at his face, one of the things that broke down the relationship between Ames and Taibbi (and there probably isn't one thing, just growing antagonism with one another in a pretty crazy place) was that Ames went to the US for a couple of years to do research on his book about workplace shootings and left Taibbi running the eXile. Taibbi promptly got addicted to heroin, if he wasn't already, and from Ames point of view, ran it into the ground. i kind of get the impression that everyone who wrote for the exile was better off professionally and personally afterwards
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Mar 21, 2019 01:14
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Are John Dolan's/Gary Brecher's articles from the old Exile days available anywhere that isn't behind a ridiculous paywall? They had a formative experience on young me and I'd love to read some of them again. I forget how I even found them to begin with, they felt more transgressive than pornography to the point that I never spoke to any other real world person about them.
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Mar 21, 2019 01:51
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http://exiledonline.com I only looked for a few old things I remembered but I found them all, doesn't seem to be a paywall etc. edit: sorry missed the EXILE part, when Taibbi was there etc. I don't know if I ever read any of those
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:looks like a whole new episode on Nigeria was posted. Aaaand I'm back in. Spend it well, you sick old fart
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Mar 21, 2019 17:48
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I do legal transcription and had a case today where a Mr John Dolan was in a siege against police. The defense and judge agreed that the details of his upbringing were so appalling that a reduced sentence was merited.
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Mar 22, 2019 09:04
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pangstrom posted:http://exiledonline.com looks like exile.ru is paywalled now but they haven't blocked archive.org: https://web.archive.org/web/20100203071106/http://www.exile.ru/
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Ames and Taibbi are both talking extensively about the failure of Russiagate (Ames for a few years now, Taibbi's writing that touches on the subject) to the point where I wonder if they really will have Taibbi on the show if things have been somewhat patched up.
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Mar 24, 2019 20:22
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Protect Carl Zha!
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Mar 24, 2019 20:55
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I really enjoyed the interview with the Chinese YPG volunteer on Carl Zha's new podcast
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Mar 24, 2019 21:12
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What happened w/ Zha? Who would hurt Carl Zha?
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Mar 24, 2019 21:28
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https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1109915506553704449 The virgin China watcher vs the chad Carl Zha
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https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1109818982419173376
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It'd be wild if the Falun Gong were behind this.
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Mar 24, 2019 22:37
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the china-watcher scumbags are relentless and tell on anyone who's prominent and says even the mildest positive things about the country. they'll mass-report at the drop of a hat.
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what a loving creep lmao https://twitter.com/BeijingPalmer/status/1109865973090304000
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why is he getting dogpiled exactly? not being 110% in the tank for the reported uyghur narrative?
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Phone posted:why is he getting dogpiled exactly? not being 110% in the tank for the reported uyghur narrative? Carl Zha's position is that the camps are bad and China has problems, but they're not nearly as bad as "they're torturing people with snakes" or "this is a new holocaust." The problem is literally that he's not critical enough. These "China watchers" are the same people who'd have you believe in the CCP organ wagons.
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wow, way to moderate your position you sack of poo poo https://twitter.com/BeijingPalmer/status/1110363747359576064 https://twitter.com/BeijingPalmer/status/1110364653547413505 saw this tweet and wondered whether their claims were accurate https://twitter.com/neet_telemachus/status/1110182933669638144 lo and behold https://twitter.com/BeijingPalmer/status/1094939162506117120 https://twitter.com/BeijingPalmer/status/1092324309803196417 https://twitter.com/BeijingPalmer/status/1107585698830450688 https://twitter.com/BeijingPalmer/status/892339132441124864 https://twitter.com/BeijingPalmer/status/893039710410383360 https://twitter.com/BeijingPalmer/status/1094307257855213568
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Why are social democrats like this?
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Because they're liberals, and anyone who doesn't have the basic conviction to pony up and admit that capitalism is enemy #1 is going to find themselves making a million excuses for it every day.
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Mar 26, 2019 07:50
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He reads like someone who either works in the foreign policy blob or thinks that relentlessly stanning for US interests online will get them a job in DC.
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Nothus posted:He reads like someone who either works in the foreign policy blob or thinks that relentlessly stanning for US interests online will get them a job in DC. His twitter bio links to his wife who’s an AP journalist, I’m not going to speculate on that; however, given the very near and dear to our hearts arc of effortposter to atlantic council clearinghouse mouthpiece, I’m skeptical.
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Nothus posted:He reads like someone who either works in the foreign policy blob or thinks that relentlessly stanning for US interests online will get them a job in DC. he literally works at foreign policy magazine. dunno how much more blob you can get
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