|
i am harry posted:You really want the anticlimactic option; All other alternatives will climax in suffering, No, I don't. Because revoking A50 and all the media and fubpees sighing and going 'nice, back to normal' would 1) Allow said media and fubpees to go back to ignoring the material circumstances that directly caused Brexit to happen, 2) Reinforce the alienation felt by huge swathes of the population as they're essentially told to get back in their box, and 3) Cause an immediate and likely extremely vicious far-right reaction, which would be further buoyed by both 1) and 2). Just outright cancelling Brexit right now would, I guarantee, just prepare the ground for something far worse. Best case scenario is as others have said: a soft Brexit under the Labour plan followed by a genuinely socialist Labour government committed to redistribution etc etc. This is far from unlikely, despite May's dogged tenacity in spite of all reason there are decent odds on a GE in the next few months. e: £299 will be the price of a single chlorinated chicken in
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:16
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 11, 2024 10:55 |
|
|
AV is used to elect select committee chairs atm so I guess it's possible if they really wanted to do it.
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:16
|
|
|
Azza you're a stellar addition to the UKMT
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:19
|
|
|
wait is that the woman who definitely didn't kill her daughter via neglect then hide the body e: lol, no, it isn't
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:20
|
|
|
Jedit posted:May's deal modified for a customs union would not be the worst thing. If the vote is on May + customs is it even a possible thing? The EU won't reopen negotiations on the deal, so it could be an easy way for her to say I tried, but those nasty Europeans won't let us.
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:21
|
|
|
yeah i have to do a double take every time i see her name she apparently gets a LOT of vile poo poo from people who mistake her for the other person tho
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:21
|
|
|
kustomkarkommando posted:Hilariously I can see those 7 votes turning out differently based purely on sequencing - I'm imagining revocation getting called last to mess with opposition tactics Midnight- posted:The order of those votes will be very interesting. If we are getting the Seven Vote Extravaganza, does the government have final say on what order these votes will be done in or can the Speaker or someone decide the govt is playing silly buggers and rearrange them sensibly?
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:22
|
|
|
Nuclear Spoon posted:she apparently gets a LOT of vile poo poo from people who mistake her for the other person tho
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:25
|
|
|
Q: [From Sky’s Mark Stone] You seem almost giddy at the result you come up with on Brexit last night. But haven’t you just kicked the can down the road, and isn’t the risk of a no-deal Brexit still high? Tusk says this is not really a question for them. They think they have got the best possible deal. But everything is in the hands of the British now. "I think you know my position. I am more pro-British than you, I think." gotta respect his dedication to saying things which will infuriate brexiters
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:26
|
|
|
Guavanaut posted:Like when people threatened to kick the poo poo out of H from Steps. And that's before the pedo mix up
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:26
|
|
|
Guavanaut posted:Like when people threatened to kick the poo poo out of H from Steps. The fact that Watkins' password was apparently actually 'irapekids' is at once the funniest and vilest thing, I mean come the gently caress on. I guess we can only hope all paedophiles are quite so inept and self-incriminating.
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:27
|
|
|
OwlFancier posted:That's heresy. Only saxons can do schiltrom and they don't get pikes. If they did, they would be unstoppable. Well too late until the bayonet was invented. Fairly sure they were still drilling squares right up to the Boer War, and I've no doubt in the sunlit uplands of a post-Brexit world when the Raiders start using horses, they'll have use again.
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:27
|
|
|
Barry Foster posted:Azza you're a stellar addition to the UKMT Seconded.
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:31
|
|
|
Angepain posted:If we are getting the Seven Vote Extravaganza, does the government have final say on what order these votes will be done in or can the Speaker or someone decide the govt is playing silly buggers and rearrange them sensibly? As far as I reckon as they would be separate divisions and debates the government would control the programming through a business motion - that would be amendable and the house could alter the order if they could agree on alternative order but idk if agreement would exist for that or if anyone will stick their neck out to do that
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:31
|
|
|
is there a potential for spending until the second deadline arguing what order we should do things in
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:33
|
|
|
ThomasPaine posted:No, I don't. Because revoking A50 and all the media and fubpees sighing and going 'nice, back to normal' would 1) Allow said media and fubpees to go back to ignoring the material circumstances that directly caused Brexit to happen, 2) Reinforce the alienation felt by huge swathes of the population as they're essentially told to get back in their box, and 3) Cause an immediate and likely extremely vicious far-right reaction, which would be further buoyed by both 1) and 2). Just outright cancelling Brexit right now would, I guarantee, just prepare the ground for something far worse. This would still be a huge victory for the right, and validation for the racist views that support it. Giving the racists what they want will not make them tone it down, far from it in fact.
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:33
|
|
ThomasPaine posted:While I originally voted remain I'm increasingly realising that the EU fanatics don't represent me any more than the hard Brexit maniacs, and are somehow even more frustrating. I'm not even sure how I'd vote in a new referendum anymore. Please don't take this as a personal attack, but I'm totally baffled by a stance like this. Ofc a soft Brexit is much, much more desirable than a no-deal one, but...thinking that a vote for "leave" would be better than the alternative, especially in hindsight? It really stinks of "yeah, things will get worse for a bit, then they'll get better" British Exceptionalism that is normally attached to raving Brexiters, and hearing this coming from someone whose ideas are way more in line with mine on other things is...weird. Even if the UK could magically transform itself into a country outside the EU overnight, it's still in Europe, physically. The livelihood of millions of people depends on commerce with other European countries...normal people. The wealthy will always stay on top, it's the poor and the middle class that will feel the brunt of the changes. This is just a small example of unforeseen consequences that Brexit will bring (warning, FT link https://www.ft.com/content/d05498f6-1299-11e9-a581-4ff78404524e). If you don't want to give it traffic, it boils down to "turns out having to go through customs is not just a problem for rich vacationers going to Tuscany" (AKA: Dover port will stop working; if it takes 70s for a trucker to go through customs, the average queue would be 6 day long; an 80s custom process would completely gridlock the port. That means no produce or any other perishable products...and most likely no commerce on wheels at all). This is going to be bad for the companies ofc...but who's going to feel the pain? There will be a few rich execs less, and a ton of farmer and truckers out of a job, all over Europe. And this is just a random thing. I honestly don't know how anyone would argue for Brexit being a good thing for the people, unless it's just for the "let the world burn" optics. E: I see what you're saying about "going back to normal" with a possible A50 revocation, and what that would do...but still I maintain that the alternative is horrifying. That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Mar 22, 2019 |
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:34
|
|
|
why dont we just send all the brexit voters to the isle of man
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:35
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/RyanJL/status/1107716767940517888 Lolol ups edit: just ralized its a few days old so prob posted ten times in here since then
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:35
|
|
|
ThomasPaine posted:The fact that Watkins' password was apparently actually 'irapekids' is at once the funniest and vilest thing, I mean come the gently caress on. I guess we can only hope all paedophiles are quite so inept and self-incriminating. He changed his plea to guilty as soon as they cracked the password on that hard drive (and I hate that I know it was actually "ifuckkids"), despite the material they'd already recovered from his phone and the phones and computers of the women involved. From what I know of that material I don't even want to *think* about what was on there that made him change his mind.
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:36
|
|
|
UnlimitedSpessmans posted:why dont we just send all the brexit voters to the isle of man I don’t want to see such an eyesore
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:36
|
|
|
StarkingBarfish posted:Seconded. Thirded but the end of that effort post got cut off. Did it hit the character limit?
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:38
|
|
|
Ratjaculation posted:The fag butt and daily mail mountain they create will be visible from the entire U.K. foiled again.
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:38
|
|
Maugrim posted:Thirded but the end of that effort post got cut off. Did it hit the character limit? Hardcore Brexiters got Azza before they could finish the post with the Alternative Deal.
|
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:41
|
|
|
Angepain posted:If we are getting the Seven Vote Extravaganza, does the government have final say on what order these votes will be done in or can the Speaker or someone decide the govt is playing silly buggers and rearrange them sensibly? I believe the government would control the order unless; 1. Parliament votes to take control of proceedings 2. If it's Single Transferable Vote I assume they'll just all get done at once
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:41
|
|
|
goddamnedtwisto posted:He changed his plea to guilty as soon as they cracked the password on that hard drive (and I hate that I know it was actually "ifuckkids"), despite the material they'd already recovered from his phone and the phones and computers of the women involved. From what I know of that material I don't even want to *think* about what was on there that made him change his mind. I'm really pissed that a band whose songs I like now has that stain on them forever, especially because the other members were livid as parents themselves. Also makes this video horrifying in retrospect https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZzgN7efCoE
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:42
|
|
|
goddamnedtwisto posted:He changed his plea to guilty as soon as they cracked the password on that hard drive (and I hate that I know it was actually "ifuckkids"), despite the material they'd already recovered from his phone and the phones and computers of the women involved. From what I know of that material I don't even want to *think* about what was on there that made him change his mind. He's from the same town in Wales as me and the council had juuuust finished laying down paving stones with lostprophets lyrics on them when the story broke.
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:43
|
|
|
ThomasPaine posted:I guess we can only hope all paedophiles are quite so inept and self-incriminating.  kind of laugh when they get someone and it turns out that all their CAI was in C:\Pictures\porn\kids or something, but then it makes me wonder about how many peds there are that actually know the slightest thing about InfoSec.Necrothatcher posted:He's from the same town in Wales as me and the council had juuuust finished laying down paving stones with lostprophets lyrics on them when the story broke.
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:49
|
|
|
ThomasPaine posted:I'm increasingly realising that the EU fanatics don't represent me any more than the hard Brexit maniacs
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:49
|
|
|
Guavanaut posted:Yeah, I always get a  text but no actual images of course, I give you the wonder that is Mad Thad:https://imgur.com/a/xr2IH
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:52
|
|
|
Tesseraction posted:I'm really pissed that a band whose songs I like now has that stain on them forever, especially because the other members were livid as parents themselves. there is no way they didn't know he'd have been loving kids even if not the extremeness of it
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:52
|
|
|
OrthoTrot posted:This would still be a huge victory for the right, and validation for the racist views that support it. Giving the racists what they want will not make them tone it down, far from it in fact. Brexit was not uniquely a right-wing project despite being publicly led by right-wingers , and the idea that all Brexit voters made their choice out of overt or subconscious racism is pretty silly. The lack of a mainsteam Bennite Eurosceptic argument in the run-up to the election was a huge missed opportunity that could potentially have mitigated the fash resurgence that coalesced around it. That Italian Guy posted:Please don't take this as a personal attack, but I'm totally baffled by a stance like this. Ofc a soft Brexit is much, much more desirable than a no-deal one, but...thinking that a vote for "leave" would be better than the alternative, especially in hindsight? I think it's important to differentiate between a hard/no deal here and a more managed soft Brexit, ideally with a customs union. Yes, the former would be disastrous, but the latter would respect the result of the referendum while also causing little actual change, and one of the few things it would do would be to dramatically extend the power of future governments to nationalise industries and ignore some of the more egregious free-market laws of the EU. Some good things are possible here, and reading more into it I've discovered that the EU as a whole is just...really bad. Like all instances of imperialism, it's kind of hard to see from the inside, but the migrant camps in Lesbos? The Calais jungle? The poo poo in Libya? All done with either overt or tacit EU approval. I don't want any part of it if I'm honest - it's not the nice happy post-WW2 'let's stop having wars' club I once thought it was (and maybe fubpees seem to still believe), it's just an institution to maintain neoliberal western hegemony. But yes, a hard no deal Brexit would be very bad in the short term. I don't dispute that, and it should be avoided. That said, I'd take a Corbyn government in a no deal scenario over a May government with a deal any day of the week. goddamnedtwisto posted:He changed his plea to guilty as soon as they cracked the password on that hard drive (and I hate that I know it was actually "ifuckkids"), despite the material they'd already recovered from his phone and the phones and computers of the women involved. From what I know of that material I don't even want to *think* about what was on there that made him change his mind. My mistake! I knew it was something along those lines. Yeah, it must be a hell of a job being the cop who has to catalogue all that poo poo (though I've joked several times that it would be the perfect job for an actual paedo, lol). e: How does this actually work? Surely they can't expect someone to be employed for years and years looking at genuinely traumatic stuff day in, day out? coffeetable posted:how'd you feel about people saying 'both sides are as bad as eachother' wrt labour and tories I think it's bad, because they're not and one side is objectively good (mostly). Fubpees and hard brexiteers are both varying shades of poo poo, but they're both poo poo. This isn't a fair comparison. ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Mar 22, 2019 |
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 15:53
|
|
ThomasPaine posted:I think it's important to differentiate between a hard/no deal here and a more managed soft Brexit, ideally with a customs union. Yes, the former would be disastrous, but the latter would respect the result of the referendum while also causing little actual change, and one of the few things it would do would be to dramatically extend the power of future governments to nationalise industries and ignore some of the more egregious free-market laws of the EU. I am ofc biased cause I was able to get my job through 2 "good things" the EU does (a scholarship for adult education financed by the EU; and the ability to travel and live in any EU country without having borders or visas), but I can see what you say about the dark, horrible sides the EU also has. This is also the reason I can't really see the scenario you are depicting panning out. The UK already had a better deal compared to almost anyone in the union, and as you said, the EU is also bad. They would let the UK burn (and a lot of people all around Europe with it) before allowing the UK to get an even better deal after Brexit, to prevent other countries from trying the same thing. I may be wrong ofc, but I think the EU won't agree to something that allows the UK to objectively have better conditions after the agreement (AKA staying in the custom union while not being subjected to EU regulations). There may still be a softer Brexit on the table - possibly with Corbyn at the helm - but I don't think the outcome will be an improvement for the UK or the EU, at least not in the short or medium term. That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Mar 22, 2019 |
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 16:03
|
|
|
ThomasPaine posted:
I think there was an Aussie cybercrime goon who posted an A/T about it a few years back, constant cycling of people through a department and shitloads of therapy iirc.
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 16:03
|
|
|
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prr59WolXv4
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 16:04
|
|
|
Jose posted:there is no way they didn't know he'd have been loving kids even if not the extremeness of it loving kids is pretty extreme.
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 16:05
|
|
|
ThomasPaine posted:Yeah, it must be a hell of a job being the cop who has to catalogue all that poo poo (though I've joked several times that it would be the perfect job for an actual paedo, lol). Oh it's easy, you just use the cops who are Star Trek fans
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 16:07
|
|
|
ThomasPaine posted:Yeah, it must be a hell of a job being the cop who has to catalogue all that poo poo (though I've joked several times that it would be the perfect job for an actual paedo, lol). There's a fairly sophisticated image recognition system (two in fact, one from MS, one from Google) they use to catalogue most of it, but someone still has to actually manually check the stuff that it can't classify. NCA have specially-trained officers that officially deal with it, with an absolute shitload of psychological support, and they're only allowed to do it for a year, but even then it's rare for anyone to make it to a year. One really vivid thing I remember from an interview with one of them is him saying that the sounds were the worst - somehow you could shut out the imagery, but the sounds always stayed with you. Apparently the only saving grace of the job is that occasionally a new image or video means they'll be to crack open a new case - I vivdly remember being (very tangentially) related in a case where a Danish guy got busted talking to a British guy who was abusing a girl, and the British guy was identified and traced purely through the images - there was no computer forensics to go on - and arrested (and the girl rescued) within 14 hours of the arrest in Denmark, and then in the following 24 hours analysis of the guy's computer got another dozen or so nonces, and the rescue of something like 20 children.
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 16:07
|
|
|
goddamnedtwisto posted:
1.  2.  what a loving idiot3. I hope it's possible to educate people on data privacy and InfoSec to protect them from malicious actors (state or otherwise) without making people like that more competent.  4. "moralfags", yeah, of course he's a channer 
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 16:08
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 11, 2024 10:55 |
|
|
ThomasPaine posted:Snip
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2019 16:08
|
|
