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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:
Yeah. There's kinda two archetypes for healer right now. SCH/mitigation, WHM/regen, and AST in the middle. You can't add a new mitigation healer without causing conflicts with SCH. And on the other side, you can't take two regen style to hard content because you need the mitigation. It will either need to switch like AST, or shake things up in ways I can't fathom.
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Mar 23, 2019 04:03
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Dr. S.O. Feelgood posted:Gender-locked races are hella stupid. Of course the female only race is sexy bunny lady and the male one is big strong lion man. The reasoning they gave didn't make any sense either. I don't know why they decided to go backwards in this regard.
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Mar 23, 2019 04:04
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Well you see, the First Shard is a reflection of the origin but it's not exactly the same. It diverged and developed in different ways. Except for the Viera/Viis culture and how men are rarely seen.
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Mar 23, 2019 04:05
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:Yeah. There's kinda two archetypes for healer right now. SCH/mitigation, WHM/regen, and AST in the middle. That's a problem they're going to need to solve anyway, though. They're just kicking the can down the road.
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Mar 23, 2019 04:05
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Blockhouse posted:He's not writing it. Well that's good at least. But... will the raid armor and/or the bosses be made entirely out of belts?
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Mar 23, 2019 04:07
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Arist posted:That's a problem they're going to need to solve anyway, though. They're just kicking the can down the road. I mean.. is it? What other healing jobs are there in Final Fantasy?
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Mar 23, 2019 04:07
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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Games > The MMO HMO > FINAL FANTASY XIV: Shadowbrings - First World Problems
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Arist posted:That's a problem they're going to need to solve anyway, though. They're just kicking the can down the road. Like I mentioned before, I suspect Dancer was in development as a healer until they realized that creating strong healer differentiation that didn't step too much on existing toes would require a large system overhaul. I'm sure we'll get something next expansion, but playing the same 3 healers for another two years kinda loving sucks, regardless.
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Mar 23, 2019 04:07
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Cabbit posted:I mean.. is it? What other healing jobs are there in Final Fantasy?
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Mar 23, 2019 04:07
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Thundarr posted:Well that's good at least. Finally, I can make my black mage look like Lulu!
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Mar 23, 2019 04:08
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"All the female viera live in their secluded villages, while all the males live outside. And that's why adventurers can only be a female one" is a bad excuse actually.
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Mar 23, 2019 04:08
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Arist posted:That's a problem they're going to need to solve anyway, though. They're just kicking the can down the road. Having an expansion's worth of iteration can give them the space to make those changes, though. Healing does need an overhaul, but that might be a thing they didn't realize until they were already elbow deep in the initial designs for SHB and they didn't have time to do it for now. Or maybe we just won't get another healer because fuckit.
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Mar 23, 2019 04:09
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No twinky bunny boys is a fuckin disgrace.
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Mar 23, 2019 04:09
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Cabbit posted:I mean.. is it? What other healing jobs are there in Final Fantasy? There's plenty they could still do. There's fitting support roles into healing, like with Dancer, which would have been aesthetically kind of perfect. There's Chemist for purists. And they already invented Scholar and Astrologian out of nothing. But also, it's not really tenable to just... not add any healers for the entire remaining life of this game.
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Mar 23, 2019 04:10
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Cabbit posted:I mean.. is it? What other healing jobs are there in Final Fantasy? Chemist is the big one that a lot of people expect at some point. As far as roles go, I think a healer with a greater emphasis on debuffs (to compliment Ast's buffs) would be interesting. I gotta admit this took a lot of wind out of my sails. I was really excited for a new healer class. Adding yet another DPS (and more to the point not even a DPS that slots into the Ninja or Dragoon archetypes but one which already has two) leaves me a bit cold. I'm sure it'll be fun to play and I'm sure I'll enjoy it when I get my hands on it, but I play mostly healers and I'm pretty ticked off this is another expansion where the big shiny new things are something I won't touch until I'm done the story.
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Mar 23, 2019 04:11
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I can't wait until FFXVII for female Rothgarn and male Viella. Alternatively, I can't wait for the next expansion to get female Hrothgar and male Viera (as if).
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Mar 23, 2019 04:11
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The stated justification might be lore, but I guarantee its as much work for them to make two genders on one race as it is two races with one gender. It sucks if you wanted to be a bunny boy but I think its more interesting this way. Eventually they'll probably make the flip sides and people will frame it as them back pedaling I guess
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Mar 23, 2019 04:11
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:Yeah. There's kinda two archetypes for healer right now. SCH/mitigation, WHM/regen, and AST in the middle. This is an incorrect statement, regens are much more powerful than shields and damage is so scripted and timelined you can perfectly line up your regens to heal you enough to survive any fight. Mitigation is only useful if it stops you dying and there's no hits big enough to kill without mitigation in this game afaik.
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Mar 23, 2019 04:13
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It's dumb to hide behind lore when they handwaved away the same exact lore excuse for why you can be male catboys in 2.0 onwards.
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Mar 23, 2019 04:13
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No bunny boi no sub
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Mar 23, 2019 04:13
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oh no blimp issue posted:This is an incorrect statement, regens are much more powerful than shields and damage is so scripted and timelined you can perfectly line up your regens to heal you enough to survive any fight. And this is an incorrect statement because you can find times to put a GCD into preventing damage that will allow you to save a GCD for more damage later. Also spread critlos are how you cheese limit break meters in a lot of savage fights. Like, I feel like you haven't had to play a scholar in savage raids if you're saying this?
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Mar 23, 2019 04:14
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What's the lore reason for no female Ronso?
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Mar 23, 2019 04:14
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If they followed the Au Ra gender discrepancy, the Viera men would look like the lionbros anyway, so why not add them?
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Mar 23, 2019 04:14
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Nessus posted:I'm not surprised given the fluff for Viera, really Yeah, I'm not surprised, it seemed like this is where they were going. I just think "well according to the lore male vieras stay hidden so that's why we couldn't add them" is a cop-out because the developers specifically make the lore and could make it different if they wanted to. There's nothing stopping them from adding the other genders later though. I could definitely see them doing that at some point since it doesn't actually count as adding new races.
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Mar 23, 2019 04:15
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People wanted bishie bunny bois. We do not have them.
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Mar 23, 2019 04:15
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Arist posted:There's plenty they could still do. There's fitting support roles into healing, like with Dancer, which would have been aesthetically kind of perfect. There's Chemist for purists. And they already invented Scholar and Astrologian out of nothing. Scholar was in 3. Astro is pretty new, minus some time mage appearances. Geomancer can be modified to be a playable healer different than WHM easy enough. They're flavoured conjurers anyways, so the healing roots are there. Chemist and Sage have appeared before. Cleric is generic but usable. And there's a ton that can be made up easily enough.
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Mar 23, 2019 04:16
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Genderlocked races is dumb. If they don't fix it for the next expansion i will be disappointed. Dnc being ranged dps is cool though.
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Mar 23, 2019 04:16
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Geomancer or Greenmage could easily be the next healer. Gaia character is tied in to Eden, both classes can use rods/maces. Could focus on "THE LIGHT" or ether, maybe drop down heals like MCH drops turrets?
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Mar 23, 2019 04:16
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Dr. S.O. Feelgood posted:Yeah, I'm not surprised, it seemed like this is where they were going. I just think "well according to the lore male vieras stay hidden so that's why we couldn't add them" is a cop-out because the developers specifically make the lore and could make it different if they wanted to. I got nothing on the Ronso. Please do not post small Hrothgar.
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Mar 23, 2019 04:17
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Kortel posted:Geomancer or Greenmage could easily be the next healer. Gaia character is tied in to Eden, both classes can use rods/maces. Could focus on "THE LIGHT" or ether, maybe drop down heals like MCH drops turrets? Geomancers already show up in the AST class story, they're basically just white mages with different spell names
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Mar 23, 2019 04:17
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I came for the no bunny boy and dancer salt, and I was not disappointed. Rng Dps Dancer looks neat, and I suppose the big takaway with Ronso is that they want to do more beastlike races, and may be more?
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Kortel posted:Geomancer or Greenmage could easily be the next healer. Gaia character is tied in to Eden, both classes can use rods/maces. Could focus on "THE LIGHT" or ether, maybe drop down heals like MCH drops turrets? astrologians use the same magic as geomancers, and most of green mage's kit is already in the game in other forms. The only real space would be a chemist whose gimmick is mob debuffs, but if that happened they'd need to give white mage and scholar better damage debuffs/buffs so they'd all line up with astrologian, probably. Dancer is much better as a ranged DPS in both mechanics and flavor.
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Mar 23, 2019 04:19
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Female Catgirls are female Ronso, male Catgirls are male Viera. This is the lore now.
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Mar 23, 2019 04:19
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Vermain posted:I'm sure we'll get something next expansion 
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Mar 23, 2019 04:19
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ImpAtom posted:Geomancers already show up in the AST class story, they're basically just white mages with different spell names Having run Swallow's Compass I strongly disagree that they are "just" white mages They're both based on conjury, sure, but it clearly went in different directions. See also: Scholar/Summoner
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oh no blimp issue posted:This is an incorrect statement, regens are much more powerful than shields and damage is so scripted and timelined you can perfectly line up your regens to heal you enough to survive any fight. Mitigation is definitely relevant for world firsts and progression when people aren't geared. Options left to them: a dps focused hybrid healer (ast is dps lite even among healers since it plays the card minigame instead), some kind of a dps -> healing model, other forms of smart and reactive healing that isn't regen based. You can also have a flow/rotational healer, if you adapted something like Monk to healing spells. Direct healing is just fine if you balance the damage the healer does to overcome time spent casting multiple heals. Hopefully the systems changes and clean up for 5.0 will be significant for healers, but oops they already said they're focusing on mch and things like mnk and drk. Womp womp.
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Mar 23, 2019 04:20
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Eh, may as well have made dancer a caster at this point, its attack animations looks kinda dull compared to both MCH and BRD.
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Mar 23, 2019 04:21
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Lore book 2.0 says Geomancers are basically Eastern Conjurers. They share a kinship with Sharlayan astrology but the style of magic is otherwise similar to conjuration.
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Mar 23, 2019 04:22
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If they ever add a healer again it will have the Sect system from Astro so they don't have to worry about balancing regen/shields. The only unique thing about it would be how they activate their buffs.
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Mar 23, 2019 04:22
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ImpAtom posted:Geomancers already show up in the AST class story, they're basically just white mages with different spell names Just like they did with AST in the first place, they can write new stuff. Wow, Hrothgar just looks kinda bad.
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