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What should the presidential powers be in 2020? This poll is closed. |
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| UNLIMITED!!!! URKKI 2.0!!!!!! |
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3 | 23.08% |
| Sauli should be allowed to telecast to our homes whenever he pleases, but that should be the limit. |
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2 | 15.38% |
| He should be limited to writing mildly worded letters to HBL and other provincial newspapers. |
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2 | 15.38% |
| None. More power to Sanna & Katri & Maria & Li & Anna-Maja & Jenni! |
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2 | 15.38% |
| Unlimited, but every decision must be subject to a plebiscite. |
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0 | 0% |
| None, but the president's life must be video streamed 24 /7 for the duration of their term, with no censorship. |
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4 | 30.77% |
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Jaxyon posted:Thank you for the help. I knew the guy was full of poo poo, because LOL Finland's per capita spend on UHC is a fraction of what the US spends to NOT cover everyone and you have better metrics than us on almost everything. In general, good healthcare and social services pay themselves back through taxation ( and lowered support costs) in Finland. For example, educated and employed 25-year old will be a net benefit of up to 800 000 euros for the state, if the same 25-year old would never get a secondary education. Not only it is morally right to support people, it is also economically reasonable. Chazani fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Mar 14, 2019 |
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Mar 14, 2019 20:15
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Mar 14, 2019 20:23
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SnowblindFatal posted:Haha yeah considering that the setup already is extremely efficient on any scale I've seen, this is going to mean that the poor and the elderly won't get as good treatment in the future as they do now. I can't see any other way to put it. That's globalisation for you. The richer we get, the less we can afford as a society. Yeah I remember thinking as I was younger, how come if we're all getting richer, we seem to have less and less every year? Stores are closing, post offices are closing, banks are closing, we have to cut spending here and we have to save on this and this etc etc et... the richer we get the less we seem to be able to afford.
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Mar 14, 2019 20:24
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I hate myself for getting this.
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Mar 14, 2019 20:38
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Mar 15, 2019 03:44
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No. 1 Callie Fan posted:I hate myself for getting this. Which quadrant is the lolbertarian one?
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Mar 15, 2019 07:55
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His Divine Shadow posted:Yeah I remember thinking as I was younger, how come if we're all getting richer, we seem to have less and less every year? Stores are closing, post offices are closing, banks are closing, we have to cut spending here and we have to save on this and this etc etc et... the richer we get the less we seem to be able to afford. it's almost as if chasing ever higher income levels at the cost of everything is an unsustainable pyramid scheme
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Mar 15, 2019 10:52
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Mar 15, 2019 13:03
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aina ne rikkaiden lapset saa eniten huomiota muutenkin
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Mar 15, 2019 15:04
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Mar 16, 2019 16:20
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It doesn't surprise me that Christian Democrats and party leader Sari Essayah have announced that the trans law is so important that it is one of the core issues when forming a government with them. As in, not wanting the law to be a bit lenient towards trans people. They really do seem to dislike sexual minorities.
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Mar 19, 2019 23:54
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No. 1 Callie Fan posted:It doesn't surprise me that Christian Democrats and party leader Sari Essayah have announced that the trans law is so important that it is one of the core issues when forming a government with them. As in, not wanting the law to be a bit lenient towards trans people. They really do seem to dislike sexual minorities. Jeesus-vauvan kyyneleet ovat tärkeämpiä kuin sinun saatanalliset haureutesi. Sinänsä kyllä ihan hieno propagandatemppu ollut miten Essayah on saatu vaikuttamaan TOLOKUN MUIJALTA KYLÄ NÄI O (gallupien mukaan), mutta ehkä tässä on vaan huoahdettu helpotuksesta/tylsistymisestä kun ei ole enää kielto-Päivin tiukat linjat ja kannanotot pramilla.
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Mar 20, 2019 05:21
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No. 1 Callie Fan posted:It doesn't surprise me that Christian Democrats and party leader Sari Essayah have announced that the trans law is so important that it is one of the core issues when forming a government with them. As in, not wanting the law to be a bit lenient towards trans people. They really do seem to dislike sexual minorities. Well since gay bashing is no longer socially acceptable (someone tell that to persut), it's only natural that they move on to the next vulnerable minority that they feel threatened by because of reasons.
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Mar 20, 2019 12:57
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Singing Sunflower posted:Well since gay bashing is no longer socially acceptable (someone tell that to persut), it's only natural that they move on to the next vulnerable minority that they feel threatened by because of reasons. Imagine being an underage and having the telaketjutransfeminist mob appear on your door step to tell that now is your time to assume the identity of the other sex 
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Mar 20, 2019 16:17
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Ootteko muuten huomannu että Ylellä alkoi maanantaina joku tosi hämynen stand up uutuus, vähän kuin Naurun tasapaino mutta joka jaksossa on vain yksi vitsiniekka ja äänestääkin saa vasta paljon myöhemmin. Studioyleisö ei lämmennyt kahden ekan neverheardin läpille, jokohan tänään Juha naurettaisiin lavalta?
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Mar 20, 2019 19:02
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Juha Sipilä knows his audience. He's not willing to stop the use of peat as a source of energy "not before we stop using fossil fuels" - which is odd, considering peat is a fossil fuel. But no worries, he's promising to ease the minds of youths by putting them to plant new trees this summer. Probably in places where the timber industry cut down forests.
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Mar 20, 2019 21:09
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Sipilä is a good representative of the finnish entrepreneur. By which I mean he's egotistical, a criminal and incompetent.
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Mar 21, 2019 05:02
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10 000 000 tree plantings 10 minutes per tree planting on average works out to roughly 1000 manhours (assuming 1600 p.a.) So you'd need 10 000 people working full-time for over a month; 100 000 people working for 16 hours in the summer (something like 3-5 working days for young people, realistically) I don't have time to look up how many 15-17 year olds we have but that's on the face of it a huge chunk of that group (and many of them have other things they need to do, or physically can't spend 16 hours in a forest planting trees) I wonder if Prime Minister Smart Businessman/Engineer ever did the math.
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Mar 21, 2019 06:47
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https://twitter.com/NikkiHaley/status/1108467476805963776 Yay americans are arguing over our health services.
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Mar 21, 2019 14:29
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Alennusvauva, nyt synnytys vain 59,90! Lisäetuna kaksi ämpäriä ja vuoden tilaus Aku Ankkaa! Soita heti!
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Mar 21, 2019 15:11
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Nyt lapsia poljetuin hinnoin! Soita heti niin saat kaupan päälle pahvilaatikollisen kortsuja.
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Mar 21, 2019 15:28
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Suomen sosialistisessa neuvostoutopiassa Lenin-setä huolehtii pilttien paskoistakin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwy3NNSFcn0
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Mar 21, 2019 15:33
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No. 1 Callie Fan posted:https://twitter.com/NikkiHaley/status/1108467476805963776 Do they put the baby back in if you don't pay?
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Mar 21, 2019 20:47
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Katt posted:Do they put the baby back in if you don't pay? Janissaries 2040
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Mar 22, 2019 09:26
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1VfFfgCd6Y The grassroot of democracy.
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Mar 22, 2019 20:15
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https://twitter.com/ylekioski/status/1109367664173072385 Your tax euros at work. BTW did anyone watch that debate with Pekka Haavisto of the Greens? Sounds like they brushed him with soft eco brush, so to speak.
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Mar 23, 2019 11:01
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Looks like Rinne decided to skip a few steps in the soc dem evolution to third way neoliberal cum towels and go for full borehole thatcherism:quote:Rinne esimerkiksi pitää mahdollisena, että myös maidolle voitaisiin asettaa korkeampi arvonlisävero. It's real nice that a kansanedustaja is willing to spend his meager earnings on extravagant things like luxury taxes for children's milk, I guess the drat poors can drink tap water and Pirkka-Olut 
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Mar 23, 2019 12:10
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 So did Swedish ever get abolished from Finish schools or what? I heard nationalists were really passionate about this some decade ago. Or did lack of  kill it off passively?
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Mar 23, 2019 12:23
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Rappaport posted:Looks like Rinne decided to skip a few steps in the soc dem evolution to third way neoliberal cum towels and go for full borehole thatcherism: Children don't need cow milk unless they are calves, so I'm not sure what is the problem with this.
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Mar 23, 2019 12:27
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Looks like SDP still believes in taxes as a way to control crowd behavior. Which is fine, governments do that all the time, just curious to see a party like SDP planning to execute green agenda. However, Finns are eating more and more meat, and red meat especially isn't good for your health, so from a healthcare perspective this is an expected move. Probably an unpopular one, but so was tobacco tax. And as for increasing the cost of milk: Thatcher removed free milk from schools as education secretary as a way to cut costs for a pitiful 4 million pounds, so I can't really see how you can compare the two. Also real men don't drink milk.
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Mar 23, 2019 12:38
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Nenonen posted:Children don't need cow milk unless they are calves, so I'm not sure what is the problem with this. Milk is a good source of calcium and vitamins and helps round out the diet. Especially for kids in poor families who may have a very one sided diet at home 
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Mar 23, 2019 12:49
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Katt posted:Milk is a good source of calcium and vitamins and helps round out the diet. Especially for kids in poor families who may have a very one sided diet at home Why not kauramaito?
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Mar 23, 2019 13:03
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lol eikö rinne ollut yks näistä idiooteista jotka väitti telkkarissa että banaanien rahtaaminen jostain ecuadorista on haitallisempaa ilmastolle kun suomalainen lihantuotanto
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Mar 23, 2019 13:15
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No. 1 Callie Fan posted:Looks like SDP still believes in taxes as a way to control crowd behavior. Which is fine, governments do that all the time, just curious to see a party like SDP planning to execute green agenda. However, Finns are eating more and more meat, and red meat especially isn't good for your health, so from a healthcare perspective this is an expected move. Probably an unpopular one, but so was tobacco tax. We just had Yleisradio explain to us this week that candy taxes didn't work because people gonna want candy with Sohvaperunat, whereas soda taxes worked because you can buy sugar-free Xtra limppari to go with your candy. (Although admittedly this doesn't explain why alcohol-free beer doesn't seem to fill this role wrt booze taxation  ) Until such time as heinäsirkat are as appetizing to Sirpa and Reijo 63 wee as sikanautajauheliha, good luck combining eläkesatanen and meat-milk taxes into a coherent platform, Antti.Although again my argument is somewhat stymied, this time by HK blüë, hmm. And milk is good for you and they're even adding vitamin D to it these days so you can play WoW all year round while listening to your favourite animus, you really should give it a go.
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Mar 23, 2019 14:10
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HerraS posted:lol eikö rinne ollut yks näistä idiooteista jotka väitti telkkarissa että banaanien rahtaaminen jostain ecuadorista on haitallisempaa ilmastolle kun suomalainen lihantuotanto He sure was. His best one was the one where he demanded all AIs should be taught to speak Finnish tho.
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Mar 23, 2019 14:59
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Rappaport posted:We just had Yleisradio explain to us this week that candy taxes didn't work because people gonna want candy with Sohvaperunat, whereas soda taxes worked because you can buy sugar-free Xtra limppari to go with your candy. (Although admittedly this doesn't explain why alcohol-free beer doesn't seem to fill this role wrt booze taxation They don't have to switch to insect protein, it's probably enough to reduce the amount of meat in portions while using vegetables to replace that part. Unless you're conditioned to think veggies are bad, yuck, there's plenty of room to adapt. I don't buy the narrative that the poor will suffer because they can't eat meatpudding without sidedishes anymore because they can't afford it or learn new recipes. If you can't make hernekeitto, then how the hell can you expect to survive in this country?
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Mar 23, 2019 15:59
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I'd rather get rid of beer than milk
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Mar 23, 2019 17:17
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No. 1 Callie Fan posted:They don't have to switch to insect protein, it's probably enough to reduce the amount of meat in portions while using vegetables to replace that part. Unless you're conditioned to think veggies are bad, yuck, there's plenty of room to adapt. I don't buy the narrative that the poor will suffer because they can't eat meatpudding without sidedishes anymore because they can't afford it or learn new recipes. If you can't make hernekeitto, then how the hell can you expect to survive in this country? How do you make hernari without pig flesh though?  I eat plenty of veggies, thank you very much, but from an election strategy POV all the homersimpsons (Esson baarin äijät?) are gonna hear is 'food more expensive and it's your dumb fault', this doesn't seem like good PR for the ostensibly worker's party. If Antti thinks those people belong to the trash bin of history / class traitor gulags, that's fine too I guess, but it seems bizarre to combine this with economic populism for the olds.
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Mar 23, 2019 17:21
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Rappaport posted:How do you make hernari without pig flesh though? That's the point - Finnish pea soup has like 1% meat or meat-like substances in it. You could make it meatier but consumers vote with their wallets. What would be important is that the overall tax burden doesn't increase, so if taxes are added on CO2 intensive products then other products' taxation is lightened and people can make a choice between expensive kebab and cheap potato.
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Mar 23, 2019 17:30
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I would eat insect or veggie protein if it was cheaper or at least not like 3x as expensive as meat. How the hell can some bugs cost more than 🐖 🐔🐄 , so I guess rinne is on the right track...
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