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Regarde Aduck posted:I wish you people would actually look at the world some times. The actual world. Not the world you want. There are bad guys out there other than the UK. In fact, ignoring the EU, every major power is currently pretty lovely and amoral at best. China, the US, Russia. They all cunts. They all want all the pie. Yes even Scotland. Because the greedy people that run these countries want everything. No place on the planet is beyond their care. So this idea that everyone should be tiny weak helpless states until we can all live together in a galactic federation is some loving bullshit. But even then, workers in those countries are learning that British workers doing the same job are earning per minute what they earn per month. It can't last as long as there's an open internet, which is why China did the smart (but evil) thing by firewalling the rest of the world. The paranoid side of me wonders if that's why we're starting to see the commodification of the internet with the defeat of net neutrality and the beginnings of censorship (starting with porn and torrents) in the uk as the old farts start to finally see the 'dangers' to their system of new tech. As I was saying before about May believing her own hype about brexit, I think the internet represents a genuine threat to the old media status quo where a small number of ridiculously wealthy people can control the message by buying the papers and using advertising to control which ones people buy. And the problem is that now the floodgates are open and even normal people use things like facebook and amazon, globalism and exposure to it via the internet are always going to be a factor. I don't know that there's a point to this except in the metaphorical sense of the Internet rendering city walls meaningless in Civilisation for a cultural conversion. Just thinkin bout thos globals.
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Aramoro posted:FPTP is your best chance of full gay space communism. Any form of PR system is just going to compromise your vision. There is compromise under FPTP, but it happens within parties rather than between them. And as no party can afford to seem divided, it happens in secret, without members even being aware half the time (let alone the public). It's not much use having a populace that votes Labour if they end up electing Blair and Obamas. PR would at least give the left more clout in the compromise negotiations.
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OwlFancier posted:Nah this is the thing, it's not just old/young it's specifically about the circumstances of generations. The old tories aren't being replaced by younger tories, they're being replaced by younger people who haven't got poo poo cos all the old tories have it and they're the last lot to have anything. The age split is trending older and older and the tories are shutting down the things that keep old people alive. And this ignoring climate change which the younger lot definitely believe in and definitely are looking for someone to blame for it. They are at the moment, and will be fore the next fifteen to twenty years. You need to get into Gen Xers at the very earliest before you start trending more lefty, and Gen X are still in their late 30s to mid 40s, it's the people between 50 and 80 who are loving us, and they ain't dying any time soon, for the most part, and there are TONNES of them. Aramoro posted:I don't see how that changes with a PR system? Like the point of PR is having no overall winner so people have to compromise to get anything done. Like the SNP need the Greens to pass things in Holyrood. Because, as noted previous several times, PR makes lefty coalitions a lot more possible, and lefty coalitions are the only way lefties do anything of note, because lefties are too tribal about each other doing leftism wrong to coalesce around a big central arsehole-mobile the way the right does. It's only in the past 10 to 15 years that the Tories have been split enough to make much difference, and before that, it was either Tories or Blairites back to the loving 70s, and it took a loving world war to make a political climate where the last really major, lasting leftist political achievements in this country could be instituted. Having no overall winner is less important when you have a mixture of lefty parties achieving a majority over a minority of Tory voters, which is what the electoral map has looked like for loving decades, even taking into account people voting tactically. Regarde Aduck posted:I wish you people would actually look at the world some times. The actual world. Not the world you want. There are bad guys out there other than the UK. In fact, ignoring the EU, every major power is currently pretty lovely and amoral at best. China, the US, Russia. They all cunts. They all want all the pie. Yes even Scotland. Because the greedy people that run these countries want everything. No place on the planet is beyond their care. So this idea that everyone should be tiny weak helpless states until we can all live together in a galactic federation is some loving bullshit. You're just going to end up puppeted like every other tiny weak state on the planet. You've convinced yourselves that all the evils of the world live in London. Some of them merely travel there on state visits. I've looked hard at the world. If there was ANYWHERE better to live that didn't require me to learn an entirely new language from scratch, I'd probably be trying to live there. thespaceinvader fucked around with this message at 14:03 on Mar 25, 2019 |
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Aramoro posted:I don't see how that changes with a PR system? Like the point of PR is having no overall winner so people have to compromise to get anything done. Like the SNP need the Greens to pass things in Holyrood. Well as your example shows under a more proportional system smaller parties are much more viable. You don't have the despair of choosing between two bad options which is often the case under FPTP.
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Abolish all parties IMO and make all candidates independent under PR Just kidding, parties would happen anyway behind doors, it's just the way humans are wired
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thespaceinvader posted:They are at the moment, and will be fore the next fifteen to twenty years. You need to get into Gen Xers at the very earliest before you start trending more lefty, and Gen X are still in their late 30s to mid 40s, it's the people between 50 and 80 who are loving us, and they ain't dying any time soon, for the most part, and there are TONNES of them.tactically. It's not a feeling, it is a fact that demographics are dragging us closer to a Labour majority, it's very visible. We're still a long ways away from permanent Labour supremacy but the age of the tory/labour crossover is increasing much faster than people are ageing. The gen Xers are shifting to Labour and almost 4 boomer tories exist for 1 millenial one. Apart from that, Gen X is just a shitload smaller than either the boomers or millenials. They will never, ever be the majority population or dominant demographic, it's just a straight crossover to millenials. It isn't that they're all dropping dead, it's that the millenials are the largest demographic and labour dominate them even more than tories dominate the FYGM vote. Gen Z is also dominated by incredibly angry lefties. The scales already tipped. That was obvious in 2017. It's only getting worse for the tories now.
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thespaceinvader posted:I've looked hard at the world. If there was ANYWHERE better to live that didn't require me to learn an entirely new language from scratch, I'd probably be trying to live there. Lol I might have to leave the UK because my Insulin may either dry up due to hard brexit or in a post-privatisation future, become basically paying the equivalent of my rent every month again to buy it. I've had to rule out job opportunities in the states because diabetics in the US get hugely hosed over. Language barrier takes work but it's not insurmountable.
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xtothez posted:MV3 has several key legislative passages defined via the medium of interpretative dance. 'can you show me on this doll where the hard border will be?'
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Countries with PR systems tend to have more coalitions, which makes me wonder about gay space communism. If Labour went centrist but a future gay space communist party had enough votes to form a coalition with a minority Labour government, bad centrist Labour would have to make some concessions in the direction of gay space communism. That is an "if" though. One key idea Owl is pushing is to engage with Labour to ram as many gay space communists into the party as possible and ride off their success, which can be true in FPTP or PR. An FPTP system would allow Labour to hold any "gently caress the tories" votes even if a good slice of those votes weren't up for its gay space communism. A PR system allows us to directly count the number of votes for a gay space communist party, Labour or not, and twist other parties arms in the direction of gay space communism if not win a majority. The argument for FPTP is that it likely rules out diluting gay space communist governments in minority governments. The argument for PR is that it provides a better representation of the people's political will, and potentially forces non gay space communist governments to concede in part to gay space communist will if it turns out gay space communists aren't popular enough to even lead a minority. Both outcomes are agreeable but I'm leaning toward FPTP.
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GC_ChrisReeves posted:Lol I might have to leave the UK because my Insulin may either dry up due to hard brexit or in a post-privatisation future, become basically paying the equivalent of my rent every month again to buy it. I've had to rule out job opportunities in the states because diabetics in the US get hugely hosed over. It's not insurmoutable, for sure, but everywhere we've reasearched leaves us untenably worse off on healthcare anyway because health insurance sucks when one of you has a disability that nobody's ever loving heard of and needs about 8 different types of routine care and monitoring scans annually. Even like... Germany or something, where moving to the right city means there functionally isn't much of a language barrier at all. We rueld out the States for a similar reason, we largely ruled out Canada for similar reasons, Australia has the whole 'concentration camps' thing going for it, New Zealand maybe? But I believe NZ immigration is next to impossible without some sort of relatives, plus, earthquakes. And this all assumes that either of us have particularly desirable professional skills to make it likely to get a work visa outside commonwealth countries and the EU, which we don't really. So if we're hosed wherever we go, why waste the money and effort moving?
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https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1110153471335063558 https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1110160005540515840 Also apparently all pretending they hadn't spent the weekend stabbing May in the back and hoping she'd do the decent thing.
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marktheando posted:Everyone in Europe seems to speak English, it's embarrassing and makes me feel like a philistine with my mostly forgotten standard grade French. 
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PST posted:Also apparently all pretending they hadn't spent the weekend stabbing May in the back and hoping she'd do the decent thing. tbf they didn't, they sent some really pathetic texts to her husband and told the papers what big bossmen they were Guavanaut posted:Well of course. English is so simple that babies can learn it, whereas all those other languages are foreign. you can mispronounce english and german words as much as you like and it barely matters. You try that in french or dutch and people either politely stare at you or respond in a different language. Spangly A fucked around with this message at 14:23 on Mar 25, 2019 |
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thespaceinvader posted:I've looked hard at the world. If there was ANYWHERE better to live that didn't require me to learn an entirely new language from scratch, I'd probably be trying to live there. New Zealand? I mean it's hardly perfect but it's in a better place than the UK is right now.
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Saros posted:New Zealand? IIRC we looked at it and the healthcare situation made it not really work even if we could have got anywhere near a visa, but it's been a while since we looked. Plus, you know, I don't really want to live in every single billionaire's nuclear bunker.
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Coohoolin posted:your experience tbh matters a bit less than like, actual policy and campaign goals As opposed to the pure and virtuous SNP, who spoke angrily about the plans to redevelop Union Terrace Gardens until one of their biggest donors put a plan forward when it immediately became OK and Labour were holding the city back by not letting him build another shopping centre that we don't need. In different news: Swastikas Over Bath is suing Kezia Dugdale for £25,000 in damages, claiming she called him a homophobe.
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Rob Delaney is a good celebrity https://twitter.com/robdelaney/status/1109174982138048515
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GC_ChrisReeves posted:Lol I might have to leave the UK because my Insulin may either dry up due to hard brexit or in a post-privatisation future, become basically paying the equivalent of my rent every month again to buy it. I've had to rule out job opportunities in the states because diabetics in the US get hugely hosed over. Finland might be an option for you, there are quite a few people here who live and work and don't really speak Finnish (as its super hard to learn, even as a Finn I know this). Of the people I know who have diabetes I haven't heard them describe the costs of insulin as super high.
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V. Illych L. posted:lol i love that arlene and theresa are both equally absurdly obstinate and that may just can't comprehend someone esle using her tactics That episode of Pokemon where two Metapod fight
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thespaceinvader posted:IIRC we looked at it and the healthcare situation made it not really work even if we could have got anywhere near a visa, but it's been a while since we looked. Plus, you know, I don't really want to live in every single billionaire's nuclear bunker. Out of curiosity what about the healthcare situation is unworkable, people with work visas - your only real entry point - have access to the public health system and ACC same as any other resident and private medical insurance is also available and relatively cheap. UK citizens also benefit from the reciprocal agreement the Ministry of Health has with the NHS. if it's something chronic like Diabetes there is a max out of pocket cost for all prescriptions of about $100/year. The billionaire bunker thing is massively overblown and all their neighbors hate them so if anything ever went down there would be some immediate redistribution/guillotine incidents. Saros fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Mar 25, 2019 |
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Obliterati posted:Putting one of 'very', 'highly' or 'interestingly' before every noun double spacing the lines and adding invisible letters to boost the word count.
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marktheando posted:Will this be the last meaningful vote? Are these votes meaningful? Does anything mean anything? What does Brexit mean? None of the votes are meaningful, Parliament is a sham, there's been like a zillion votes in the last couple months and none of them meant poo poo
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marktheando posted:Will this be the last meaningful vote? Are these votes meaningful? Does anything mean anything? What does Brexit mean? BREXIT MEANS BREXIIIIIIIIIIIIIIiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Screams Teresa May as she stumbles over a destructive cliff edge. Saros posted:Out of curiosity what about the healthcare situation is unworkable, people with work visas - your only real entry point - have access to the public health system and ACC same as any other resident and private medical insurance is also available and relatively cheap. LIke I said it's been a while. I might bring it back up and have another solid look.
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marktheando posted:What does Brexit mean? sebzilla posted:That episode of Pokemon where two Metapod fight  thespaceinvader posted:Plus, you know, I don't really want to live in every single billionaire's nuclear bunker.
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petition to ban people itt from talking about scotpol unless they've actually lived there for a few months, because jesus christ do a lot of usually good posters come out with some ridiculous takes whenever it comes up
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Brexit means Brexit, of course. I understand everything now. A red white and blue Brexit. The will of the people. A new age, old men running the world.
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lmbo https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1110169318250164225 https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1110172482798002179 also  https://twitter.com/elliotttimes/status/1110171060417323009
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ThomasPaine posted:petition to ban people itt from talking about scotpol unless they've actually lived there for a few months, because jesus christ do a lot of usually good posters come out with some ridiculous takes whenever it comes up
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Ah but you see Mr speaker it's not a third meaningful vote, it's a first *checks thesaurus* consequential vote.
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GC_ChrisReeves posted:Lol I might have to leave the UK because my Insulin may either dry up due to hard brexit or in a post-privatisation future, become basically paying the equivalent of my rent every month again to buy it. I've had to rule out job opportunities in the states because diabetics in the US get hugely hosed over. If you were moving to the US would you not usually be (as someone who managed to get a work visa) going into a good enough job to receive decent employer-provided health insurance? I know you still have co-pays to think about but not sure what the costs tend to be. Not that I'd particularly want to live in the states anyway, tbh. The horror stories about uninsured diabetics over there, and the naked exploitation, are one of the few things that ruin my ironic distance and make me white hot with rage.
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