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infernal machines posted:i have said it before and i'm going to keep saying it, the number one argument against reforming restrictions on gun ownership are the people advocating reforming restrictions on gun ownership Wanna take a stab at explaining why someone should be able to own a bolt action rifle (for example), but not a semi automatic firearm then?
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THC posted:shut the gently caress up about guns rear end in a top hat nobody cares and nobody is buying your “poor downtrodden minorities” bullshit either gun laws are more disproportiantly enforced on minorities than any other laws. gun control is morally, phillosophically and spiritually bankrupt as an ideology no matter how you frame it
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:gun laws are more disproportiantly enforced on minorities than any other laws. 
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Jehde posted:Wanna take a stab at explaining why someone should be able to own a bolt action rifle (for example), but not a semi automatic firearm then? well, a bolt action rifle is useful for hunting, and should someone get it into their head to do something irresponsible with it the mechanism of action limits the amount of damage they can do simply by being slow. so it has a genuine use beyond recreation and can do relatively less damage than a belt fed machine gun in the same amount of time. if you really want to argue that all weapons are tools and all tools are equal and can be used responsibly and thus should never be restricted i'll await your argument in favour of providing first nations with a nuclear deterrent
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Jehde posted:Wanna take a stab at explaining why someone should be able to own a bolt action rifle (for example), but not a semi automatic firearm then? wanna take a stab at shutting the gently caress up?
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infernal machines posted:"i want minorities to be protected from predation, coincidentally this dovetails nicely with this one issue which i am incredibly passionate about, owning whatever loving guns i want." I don't want to own a gun tho quote:if you really want to argue that all weapons are tools and all tools are equal and can be used responsibly and thus should never be restricted i'll await your argument in favour of providing first nations with a nuclear deterrent That's the logical extreme, yes. If nukes are bad for them, they're bad for everybody else too. Same deal. xtal has issued a correction as of 00:10 on Mar 26, 2019 |
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Risky Bisquick posted:How about you split the difference with your concern troll and disarm whites and leave cops and poc with guns. I bet you’d go for that It's kind of funny that poc and cop are palindromes. I don't think anyone should ignore that in our current society the people who decide who gets to have firearms and who doesn't are, if not the rich and capitalists, their bootlickers. Ignoring the fact that a governor who got support from the NRA and ended up introducing restrictive gun laws because there was a marxist-based minority group that knew the law and tried to defend themselves. The reason why guns are so damaging in the United States is because of inequality, and all the problems that come with that. Obviously guns alone won't win a revolution these days. But it's a lot easier of a starting point than a knife. If we lived in a communist country, we could have it similar to how the Soviet Union did it, where guns were the purview of shooting clubs, where anyone could go to shoot in a communal setting, and be expected to volunteer in cause of a war. But we don't, and until we do, guns are an important tool to work towards that.
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they are just asking questions PEOPLE!! also owning semi-automatic guns is bad
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infernal machines posted:well, a bolt action rifle is useful for hunting, and should someone get it into their head to do something irresponsible with it the mechanism of action limits the amount of damage they can do simply by being slow. so it has a genuine use beyond recreation and can do relatively less damage than a belt fed machine gun in the same amount of time. So you think that if someone is incapable of responsibly owning a firearm, that the homicide/suicide they would commit with a bolt action rifle would be acceptable? And yeah I'm 100% for the nuclear armament of the indigenous people of Canada. Nuclear power would probably do them well too.
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why cant white people pick up the guns and overthrow the sick system they benefit from anyway, when did the onus fall on us
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i'm saying that increasing the number of firearms available to the general public increases the likelihood that someone will do something irresponsible with one. hamstringing the efficiency with which they can do that irresponsible thing is better than not.
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Jehde posted:
Just popped in here to admit I was wrong about one of the things I said. Jehde posted:So you think that if someone is incapable of responsibly owning a firearm, that the homicide/suicide they would commit with a bolt action rifle would be acceptable? Hey look it's that thing nobody said
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Jehde posted:And yeah I'm 100% for the nuclear armament of the indigenous people of Canada. Nuclear power would probably do them well too. 
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drjuggalo posted:why cant white people pick up the guns and overthrow the sick system they benefit from anyway, when did the onus fall on us Because when we do it you end up with infernal machines posted:let us all remember the incredible bravery of Michael Zehaf-Bibeau
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Jehde posted:So you think that if someone is incapable of responsibly owning a firearm, that the homicide/suicide they would commit with a bolt action rifle would be acceptable? Literally no one is saying its acceptable. Balancing risks and the cost of privileges or rights are something we do constantly. Road speed limits are a balance of safety and utility, the roads would be safer objectively if everyone drove half the current allowed speeds, but that's going to take forever and cause congestion. We acknowledge that there will be some death because of this, but still don't hand-wave those deaths away as acceptable, and work to reduce those. You'll notice that in the very normal societal dialogue only insane people advocate the unrestricted use of the roads, such as without licencing, rules, or speed-limits. Likewise, no one is saying there should be a 100% ban on driving, even though it might save a ton of lives.
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the great john brown had did that and it helped jump start the inevitable civil war that "ended" slavery
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Virtual Russian posted:You'll notice that in the very normal societal dialogue only insane people advocate the unrestricted use of the roads, such as without licencing, rules, or speed-limits. Likewise, no one is saying there should be a 100% ban on driving, even though it might save a ton of lives. The "restrict use in public, but do not restrict private use" paradigm that is typically applied to cars is great, and I wish it were applied more to guns
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re: weapon capabilities and public safety, remember that guy in the states who killed 50 people with a semi-auto rifle and a bump stock? remember the aforementioned Michael Zehaf-Bibeau who stormed parliament with a cowboy rifle and the only person he killed was some poor sod who got caught flat footed guarding a monument? hell, the parliament security guys tagged each other more than he did. both were idiot wingnuts bent on irresponsible firearm use. one killed 50X as many people
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Jehde posted:"restrict use in public, but do not restrict private use" It's almost as if you could restrict firearm usage to a location dedicated to firing guns at practice targets, and that you have literally no reason to use a semi-automatic rifle outside of these locations! We could call them... shooting ranges. infernal machines posted:remember the aforementioned Michael Zehaf-Bibeau Americans have a hard enough time keeping track of their own domestic mass shootings, can't really expect them to know or remember shooters from neighbouring countries.
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infernal machines posted:well, a bolt action rifle is useful for hunting, and should someone get it into their head to do something irresponsible with it the mechanism of action limits the amount of damage they can do simply by being slow. so it has a genuine use beyond recreation and can do relatively less damage than a belt fed machine gun in the same amount of time. Look at you, Mr. Bolt Action expert .
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i'll have you know i briefly lived in a household with an illegally owned .22lr to my knowledge it was only ever used to threaten the neighbours
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Guns are a lot like minorities, really need to introduce them early to children.
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Jan posted:It's almost as if you could restrict firearm usage to a location dedicated to firing guns at practice targets, and that you have literally no reason to use a semi-automatic rifle outside of these locations! We could call them... shooting ranges. What's the benefit of forcing gun range membership fees on those less financially secure? Rhetorical question, as I'd rather avoid financial barriers to civilian armament as much as possible. Granted I see no detriment to letting civilians use firearms as they see fit within their private property. infernal machines posted:re: weapon capabilities and public safety, remember that guy in the states who killed 50 people with a semi-auto rifle and a bump stock? remember the aforementioned Michael Zehaf-Bibeau who stormed parliament with a cowboy rifle and the only person he killed was some poor sod who got caught flat footed guarding a monument? hell, the parliament security guys tagged each other more than he did. Okay now do the same thing but with the texas clock tower shooter with his bolt action rifle and the guy that had to ditch his semi-automatic rifle because it jammed. But actually please don't, as I think that arguing about the relative lethality of lethal weapons is dumb. The point is that I respect a desire to ban all guns, I do not respect any bullshit half steps though. If you honestly believe guns are inherently evil and only serve to do harm, you should be arguing for all guns to be banned everywhere in hopes of achieving an eradication of all gun violence. Not just some guns from some people, and letting gun violence exist under certain circumstances. Incrementalism poo poo always reeks of bad faith. Anyways, gun debate poo poo is exhausting when you're dealing with such wildly different perspectives. I would rather this thread wasn't a dumb circle jerk of gun hate, as it can be handy to get the latest scoops on actually relevant Canadian politics, without having to deal with D&D garbage. Highly recommend checking out the ongoing mass shooting thread in TFR if you wanna grill gun owners about why they think they need guns, it's way easier to do this than you probably think. My bottom line for the purpose of this thread is that this nazi issue isn't going away anytime soon, now is not the time to throw all the guns in a smelter and not think twice.
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Ardent Communist posted:It's kind of funny that poc and cop are palindromes.  POC AND COP ARE NOT PALINDROMES. They're semordnilaps. McGavin has issued a correction as of 02:03 on Mar 26, 2019 |
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POC COP, however, is.
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e: vvv I also would like to talk about something else
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my bottom line for this thread is that there is no pressing need to reassess our gun ownership policies in canada and the majority of the people who think there are are real life caricatures of the crazed gun nut
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McGavin posted:
Thank you, I agonised over posting that because it felt wrong, but I didn't want to just say opposite, because I was only talking about the words and not what they represent.
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xtal posted:This reminds me of that time a Canadian tech giant sold 3D printers to make guns, and only stopped when the manufacturers made fun of them. what the gently caress are you talking about? 3d printing is consumer accessible and it makes really really lovely gun components. machine tools have been relatively accessible for about a century and they make entirely functional firearms, and it still doesn't matter
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Oh right when those post scarcity star trek machines come out, everyone is going to be able to have loads of guns.
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infernal machines posted:what the gently caress are you talking about? https://ghostgunner.net/ was hosted by Shopify until there was a public Twitter feud between the two CEOs. I was specifically referring to this kind of technology being available to consumers, as opposed to general 3D printers.
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Oh right when those post scarcity star trek machines come out, everyone is going to be able to have loads of guns. tea. earl grey. hot. oh and a P99c with an extended mag xtal posted:https://ghostgunner.net/ was hosted by Shopify until there was a public Twitter feud between the two CEOs. I was specifically referring to this kind of technology being available to consumers, as opposed to general 3D printers. oh, but that's a cnc mill, not a 3d printer. that's not splitting hairs, they're very different things
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https://iwpr.net/global-voices/chechnyas-homemade-weapons-fuel-warquote:The Chechen-manufactured Borz is one of a number of weapons, made, reconfigured or repaired in Chechnya, which enable enemies of the Russian military and the pro-Moscow Chechen police force to continue their fight at very low cost. The net result is that even if the Russian authorities were to manage to stop the theft of weapons, or their trade and sale to the rebels, a substantial arsenal will remain in their hands.
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Jehde posted:
This all or nothing poo poo is bad faith. You just don't want to engage with someone arguing for a reasonable measured response. I don't believe guns are inherently evil, nor does like anyone I know. I enjoy target shooting, and know responsible hunters. A gun is more like a tool in my mind. An armalite or kalashnikov clone is a military grade tool, designed for killing efficiently. I see no need to massively distribute them throughout society. Obviously there will be outliers in mass violence, but restricting to older long-guns seems to be a no-brainer. Just look at the US vs Canada.
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infernal machines posted:love me some stamped metal former soviet bloc handguns Gotta respect those guns, feels like they are going to tear themselves and you apart while firing them.
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infernal machines posted:my bottom line for this thread is that there is no pressing need to reassess our gun ownership policies in canada and the majority of the people who think there are are real life caricatures of the crazed gun nut
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Virtual Russian posted:Gotta respect those guns, feels like they are going to tear themselves and you apart while firing them. memento mori, at the range
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