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DONT THREAD ON ME posted:ok i'm getting an offer. we haven't discussed compensation at any point in the process. i was hoping they would just send me an offer outright but instead we scheduled a call for tomorrow. they might just give you the offer verbally and make sure they only have to do the paper-shuffling once. so be prepared for that, have a number in mind that you want if they offer you more than that just make like you're thinking for a bit and ask for that+10%. if they offer you lower than what you wanted, ask for the number you want, unless it's way higher (>20%) and/or you're desperate. it's also acceptable to ask for info on benefits, etc. that you can read over before giving a response on the number and you can use that to give yourself more time if you feel too much pressure on the phone. if they push back on that they're assholes and gently caress 'em e: have a number that you want in mind but DO NOT SAY IT FIRST
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DONT THREAD ON ME posted:ok i'm getting an offer. we haven't discussed compensation at any point in the process. i was hoping they would just send me an offer outright but instead we scheduled a call for tomorrow. Most likely. If they have decided to give you an offer, this is the correct time to talk comp. It's okay to say a number first but make sure it's high enough that you would be extremely happy to receive it but not so high that you get laughed off the phone.
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great! follow up question: this is a remote role for a silicon valley based company. a large number of (if not a majority of) their engineers are remote. the wage range for my role at this org on glassdoor et al has a lot of samples and looks reliable. also, although remote, i do still live in california. given all that, i feel like i shouldn't tolerate very much loving around about comp based on being remote, right? e: i think i'm over complicating this. i know my number. DONT THREAD ON ME fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Mar 26, 2019 |
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when I was interviewing at my current job they insisted on doing all of this over the phone So they'd call me at work and I'd be like, Sorry can't talk, let me call you back in an hour in an hour I'd call and they wouldn't be there, so I'd leave a message saying, Maybe you can just e-mail me? Then in another hour they'd call back and be like, sorry this wasn't something we can discuss over e-mail! And it would be like, "Hey we wanted to offer you $X and so many days of vacation" And when I was like, let me think that over, do you mind e-mailing me a copy of that so I have it in writing and can look it over she was all, "I don't know why you need it in an e-mail when I just told you everything!" it was very odd
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Bloody posted:"put a dollar in if the form requires a number to validate" and if you get pissed off at their dodging, “do you want a cog in the wheel or do you a partner who will actually improve things’
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qhat posted:"I appreciate that you guys would like to discuss whether my expectations are within budget and I'm so far very keen on the company, however for me this is still at an early stage and I need to more thoroughly understand the role before I'm comfortable estimating a fair compensation for the responsibilities involved. At the end of the day, I just want to be paid proportionally to the responsibilities of the job. If there is a good fit, I'm sure we can work something out." lol why are you talking like that
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Mar 26, 2019 05:58
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i'm going hard in the salary negotiations tomorrow.
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cheque_some posted:when I was interviewing at my current job they insisted on doing all of this over the phone In my experience companies and even recruiters are very loathe to send you anything in writing until they think you're a lock these days I wonder if it's because they're worried you'll bounce your offers off someone else? But you can do that anyway so I don't really see the point.
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Not a Children posted:In my experience companies and even recruiters are very loathe to send you anything in writing until they think you're a lock these days because some people are fine with just an email as evidence to counter offer on. i had numerous coworkers who would go to our boss with an email from a recruiter and say "I have an offer from so and so for x, will you match it?" and end up getting a raise and not leaving.
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DONT THREAD ON ME posted:i'm going hard in the salary negotiations tomorrow. get those figgies
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Mar 26, 2019 15:23
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hell yeah get that bread everybody
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Mar 26, 2019 15:43
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im still waiting to hear back on the 20% counter i gave lol it's outside the salary band, but I know someone making exactly the top of the band, and that's my minimum ,so we'll see. hiring manager wants it to happen, just up to the machinations of bigco HR
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cheque_some posted:when I was interviewing at my current job they insisted on doing all of this over the phone apple did this with me. I think it's to keep you off balance so they can try to get you to miss or forget things. in my case I ended up totally forgetting to negotiate on vacation days so I ended up losing 3 in the move from epic to Apple. fortunately I gained 7 sick days so it kinda washed but still.
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jit bull transpile posted:apple did this with me. I think it's to keep you off balance so they can try to get you to miss or forget things. in my case I ended up totally forgetting to negotiate on vacation days so I ended up losing 3 in the move from epic to Apple. fortunately I gained 7 sick days so it kinda washed but still.
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I guess it's to get you more sunk-cost in terms of time when you're dealing with that Joke's on them once people catch on though, once you lose any sense of shame about lying to recruiters they're just wasting their own time
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i know this job sucks, i know you're afraid i'll turn you down, i know you've got money, give me the loving money you fucks.
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i dont give a gently caress if the job is remote, if i wanted less money i would apply for an easy job. gently caress off and come back with my money
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Mar 26, 2019 21:25
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rofl what an incredible lowball. gently caress off.
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Mar 26, 2019 21:55
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like how much are we talkin
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FMguru posted:i think they dont want to write anything down because you can take that document/email/offer letter and use it as leverage to get a better deal from your current boss or another offering company youre more interested in never tried to take one to a current boss tho oh, and the first printed contract they managed to gently caress up my name
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Mar 26, 2019 22:18
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did they write it John V6?
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raminasi posted:like how much are we talkin $135k for a senior software engineer at an SV company. remote but it sounds very high stress and lovely. my situation atm is a little bit desperate but i really don't want to do it unless they're gonna pay me a lot.
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DONT THREAD ON ME posted:$135k for a senior software engineer at an SV company. remote but it sounds very high stress and lovely. my situation atm is a little bit desperate but i really don't want to do it unless they're gonna pay me a lot. drat yeah that’s downright insulting. do you think they’re trying to get a big ol’ remote discount or are they just generally stingy?
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raminasi posted:drat yeah that’s downright insulting. do you think they’re trying to get a big ol’ remote discount or are they just generally stingy? i think they just suck. there were a lot of red flags that i was only willing to ignore because my situation isn't good. but i'm not so bad off that i'm going to work for a demanding SV company for what i could make at a company where i dont need to do anything. DONT THREAD ON ME fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Mar 26, 2019 |
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DONT THREAD ON ME posted:i think they just suck. there were a lot of red flags that i was only willing to ignore because my situation isn't good. but i'm not so bad off that i'm going to work for a demanding SV company for what i could make at a company where i dont need to do anything. yep. tell them this.
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Rex-Goliath posted:yep. tell them this. yeah, i did. i feel good about turning them down, i stood up for myself. also this has attenuated my focus. i've been waffling around dreaming about finding the perfect job that fits me best as a programmer. actually going to sv, going through the process and seeing the grift has made me realize that this is extremely dumb. i'm already really good at a bunch of in-demand things, i should just use those skills to go get a remote job that pays. DONT THREAD ON ME fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Mar 27, 2019 |
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DONT THREAD ON ME posted:$135k for a senior software engineer at an SV company. remote but it sounds very high stress and lovely. my situation atm is a little bit desperate but i really don't want to do it unless they're gonna pay me a lot. base?
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Turning down terrible offers is good poo poo, especially when you're in a bad situation, because you didn't sell yourself out. I was five months into unemployment in 2017 when I got an offer for $50,400 for a full-time programming position. I did the math and that was less than I made fresh out of college in 2007, after inflation, and less than I made in 2008, even without inflation. I countered with something more reasonable for a programmer with ten years of experience and they refused to budge:quote:Our compensation practices are designed for fairness. The offer on the table is $24.25 per hour. I replied "That offer is not fair to me." and declined it. Took another two months to get another offer and an additional month beyond that to pass an onerous background check. Then I bailed on that job after four months and here I am, still making five figgies.
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if you have to take a trash offer make sure you put in the effort to match the pay, for fairness reasons you see
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DONT THREAD ON ME posted:$135k for a senior software engineer at an SV company. remote but it sounds very high stress and lovely. my situation atm is a little bit desperate but i really don't want to do it unless they're gonna pay me a lot. lol that's a joke, I make nearly that working at a big corp and putting in 20% effort, the idea of that in california for a valley company is a laugh
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PCjr sidecar posted:base? yeah sorry, 150k total if the recruiter is to be believed, i didn't really put much stock in the equity after hearing that base offer.
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DONT THREAD ON ME posted:i didn't really put much stock in the equity 
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Nice. That's a pretty sweet salary for an intermediate in Canada.
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What's a good total comp for a valley senior nowadays? 250k?
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qhat posted:What's a good total comp for a valley senior nowadays? 250k? faang or generic?
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qhat posted:What's a good total comp for a valley senior nowadays? 250k? generic yeah faang lol no, easily double that, but also gently caress them, gently caress the bay area, gently caress the internet and gently caress tech companies
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250 was my counter offer but the lowest i woulda gone was 200. she basically laughed and said 250 was impossible, so i said “that’s what a senior software engineer is worth, right?” and she said yes but we look at applicable skills. i said if my skills aren’t applicable why offer me the job? good riddance
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sorry it didn't go anywhere, but good on you for sticking to your guns fingers crossed on the next one
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DONT THREAD ON ME posted:$135k for a senior software engineer at an SV company. remote but it sounds very high stress and lovely. my situation atm is a little bit desperate but i really don't want to do it unless they're gonna pay me a lot. that's only 2k less than I make base, I don't think that's as bad as you're making it out.
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jit bull transpile posted:that's only 2k less than I make base, I don't think that's as bad as you're making it out. yeah, but what kind of rsus do you make on top of that base?
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