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The problem with Yud's insult to his readers is that there are so many other 11 year olds he failed to write. Unless everyone is a horcrux. Or Arya Stark wearing a face. Spooky crossover.
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The Shortest Path posted:Yeah that part at least was goddamn prescient.
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Feb 4, 2019 16:17
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quote:this Mirror reflects itself perfectly and therefore its existence is absolutely stable. Timeless Decision Theory spotted
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I kind of wonder what Yud thinks about the problem of infinite regress as it applies to information science, or if he's even aware that it exist at all. It kind of seems like he doesn't.
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Cardiovorax posted:I kind of wonder what Yud thinks about the problem of infinite regress as it applies to information science, or if he's even aware that it exist at all. It kind of seems like he doesn't. He literally hypothesises uncomputable quantities like Kolmogorov complexity as things you should totally apply in daily life, so no
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Chapter 110: Reflections, Pt 2 Dumbledore is surprised to see that Voldemort is Quirrell. Voldemort is smug. I think maybe we're meant to agree with Quirrell in this section, but Dumbledore is actually right. Eliezer Yudkowsky posted:Professor Quirrell chuckled; he looked for all the world as though the two of them were just having a casual conversation. "I never was insane, you know. Lord Voldemort was just another game for me, the same as Professor Quirrell." Then Dumbledore gets real dumb in order to fit within the parameters that Yudkowsky's set for him. Voldemort basically asks him why it was OK for Flamel to be immortal but no one else, and Dumbledore just sort of halfheartedly denies it. Voldemort then tries to blame Dumbledore for setting him on the path to evil and Dumbledore quite reasonably denies culpability. Voldemort tries to leave and finds he can't. Dumbledore's just been stalling to allow his trap time to close. Voldemort recognises the spell and says that Dumbledore can't stop it now but could change the target from Voldemort to himself. Dumbledore says he won't do that, even to save hostages. Then Voldemort reveals that Harry's there too and will also be caught in the trap, and Dumbledore immediately changes his mind and reverses it, trapping himself. Maybe? The end of the chapter is ambiguous since Dumbledore said he was both inside the mirror and wherever else he was supposed to be at the same time, so it seems like he might still be in two places? Whatever that means. And it's not clear why Dumbledore valued Harry so highly that he'd reverse the trap in order to spare him when he'd literally just said he didn't care about any hostages Voldemort might have. But it looks like Voldemort's got the Stone and gotten rid of Dumbledore, so now I guess it's all up to Harry.
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Feb 28, 2019 10:29
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I do think that, in spite of Yud's efforts, Dumbledire is probably the best written character in this story, and, for all that Yud sets him up as a straw man character, setting up arguments to be knocked down, I find myself agreeing with him more than anyone else in the story.
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Feb 28, 2019 12:38
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Let's Read HPMOR: "I find," Albus Dumbledore ground out, "that I do not care."
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Feb 28, 2019 13:04
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Jazerus posted:Let's Read HPMOR: "I find," Albus Dumbledore ground out, "that I do not care." mods
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Feb 28, 2019 14:31
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Jazerus posted:Let's Read HPMOR: "I find," Albus Dumbledore ground out, "that I do not care." divabot posted:mods
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divabot posted:mods
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Epicurius posted:I do think that, in spite of Yud's efforts, Dumbledire is probably the best written character in this story, and, for all that Yud sets him up as a straw man character, setting up arguments to be knocked down, I find myself agreeing with him more than anyone else in the story.
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Chapter 111: Failure, Pt 1 Voldemort says he's going to fulfil his promise to revive Hermione and leads Harry to a secret passage that turns out to be some kind of massive maze, which gives Harry plenty of time to try to think of ways to stop him. But he doesn't think of anything useful and the passage leads to a graveyard. Text in italics is spoken in parseltongue and therefore supposedly must be true. Eliezer Yudkowsky posted:There was a rumbling sound, and smoothly from the ground rose an altar, at least two meters wide and of black stone carved with grey sigils. And then surrounding the altar groaned up six dark-marble obelisks, regularly spaced, gleaming darkly beneath the fading twilight sky. Eliezer Yudkowsky posted:"Girl's body is restored. Substance is repaired. But not magic, or life... this is body of dead Muggle." Voldemort turned from the altar, began to pace. "The full ritual would solve this. But that would require time... time and the blood of Granger's enemy, and I do not think Draco Malfoy still qualifies, nor can I take my own blood unwillingly... foolish." Voldemort's voice was a lower hiss. "Foolish, I should have foreseen this, and prepared. Her brain might awaken with an electrical shock, I know that much of Muggle medicine... but would her magic return to her? That I do not know, and I suspect if she awakens as a Muggle she will be a Muggle forever. Still, I can think of nothing better." The Dark Lord raised his wand - Eliezer Yudkowsky posted:"And now, my dear boy," Voldemort's high voice was laced with grim amusement, as his wand briefly tapped Hermione Granger's forehead with a casual gesture, "I make this diary into a far more precious gift, a sign of how much wisdom I have learned from you. For I would never want you to be deprived of Hermione Granger's counsel and restraint, not ever while the stars yet live. Avadakedavra." Oh, I almost forgot to mention, Hermione was naked for, like, half this chapter - until Harry specifically asked Voldemort to put some clothes on her. And she was either dead or unconscious for the entire chapter. Tiggum fucked around with this message at 11:45 on Mar 8, 2019 |
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quote:Text in italics is spoken in parseltongue and therefore supposedly must be true. This isn't addressing any of the other stupidity in that chapter, but personally, I kind of wonder if Yudkowsky is a Wheel of Time fan. I really don't expect anyone else to take the time to actually read that series, which can reasonably be measured in weeks, but to anyone who does know it, I got to admit I'm getting a feeling of the type of person who would like it unironically from him. With all that this implies. quote:Aes Sedai never lie, but the truth you hear may not be the truth they speak. There are so many ways a restriction like that can make you sound a lot more clever than you really are.
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I thought this was good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMabpBvtXr4&t=1s (Maybe more appropriate for the dark enlightenment thread?)
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If you enjoy knocking down straw men, sure.
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About halfway through it talks about "rationalists" a bit and that part was fairly accurate to the people who are Extremely Into yud's poo poo, it's otherwise not particularly relevant though.
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The Shortest Path posted:About halfway through it talks about "rationalists" a bit and that part was fairly accurate to the people who are Extremely Into yud's poo poo, it's otherwise not particularly relevant though.
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Tiggum posted:Chapter 111: Failure, Pt 1 I love how, in a retelling of HP that's supposedly focused on rationality, the protagonist wins by author fiat because the antagonist ubermensch does something deeply stupid that he should know better than to have tried.
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Liquid Communism posted:I love how, in a retelling of HP that's supposedly focused on rationality, the protagonist wins by author fiat because the antagonist ubermensch does something deeply stupid that he should know better than to have tried. Oh, it's way dumber than that. Just you wait. I read this whole thing once, because I've a horrible weakness for a story that starts well and then steadily and completely goes to poo poo. Can't just not finish something you've started, you know? It's like boiling a lobster in bad writing. It helps if you don't know anything about the author and his cult, because if you do it's much harder to overlook the... let's call them themes, that run through the whole thing. If you go in on the assumption that Harriezer is a precocious little poo poo who's smart but not nearly as smart as he thinks he is, it might be a while until you realise that he's like that because so is the author. Or the way that the guy decided to make his didactic magnum opus a Harry Potter fanfic even though it's clear that the only character in it he has anything approaching empathy for is the bad guy. Because death is wrong and unfair, but murdering shitloads of people is okay for some reason.
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Cuazl posted:Oh, it's way dumber than that. Just you wait. Chapter 112: Failure, Pt 2 So Voldemort blocked the bullets Harry fired at him with a wall of dirt. He managed to cast a spell that caused a wall of earth to rise up between them in less time than it took for the first bullet to travel the distance between them. I guess magic, so he could be that fast, but it still seems like he's just winning because the author needs him to not die yet. Like, this wasn't him outwitting Harry or beating him in some contest of strength or will, it was basically just "oh, he's bulletproof now." Eliezer Yudkowsky posted:An instant after that, pain flared in Harry's scar, a crawling feeling came close to his skin; and then Harry's pouch, clothes, gun, everything except his wand disappeared, leaving him naked but for the wand still in his right hand, and the glasses he'd Charmed to stick to his nose. These wounds, they will not heal Fear is how I fall Confusing what is real And apparently Voldemort's horcruxes aren't destroyed? Or at least he says they aren't. Well, implies they aren't. It was just a trick to get Harry to attack him because of a previously unmentioned curse that Voldemort put on himself so that no version of him could ever try to kill any other version of him. But the curse wasn't working properly, because it should have stopped Harry from killing Voldemort but was only stopping Voldemort from killing Harry. But now Harry's inadvertently broken it so Voldemort can kill him. Which might be significant if it we'd found out about this curse at any time before it was broken. We thought Voldemort could kill him at any time and we still think that. That's like the opposite of a twist. But Voldemort isn't going to kill Harry, he just wanted to have the option available to him. And he has cast the super-horcrux spell for Hermione so now she's, like, super-immortal. Not quite as immortal as Voldemort, but as long as someone's around to resurrect her she can always come back. This is all apparently confirmed by Voldemort speaking in Parseltongue. We still only have his word for it that he can't lie in Parseltongue, but Yudkowsky seems to be writing it as though that's a confirmed fact. Then Voldemort summons a bunch of death eaters and Yudkowsky doesn't know what "insofar" means. Eliezer Yudkowsky posted:Harry continued pointing his wand downward, insofar as he had been told that, if he tried to raise it, he would die. He remained silent, insofar as he had been told that if he tried to speak, he would die. He tried not to shiver in the falling night temperatures, for he was naked, and it was getting colder.
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Cuazl posted:Or the way that the guy decided to make his didactic magnum opus a Harry Potter fanfic even though it's clear that the only character in it he has anything approaching empathy for is the bad guy. Because death is wrong and unfair, but murdering shitloads of people is okay for some reason. the one where both the main characters are mary-sues Tiggum posted:
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Harry tries saying two plus two is three in Parseltongue immediately after learning about the lying thing and it comes out as "two plus two is four".
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Pawg From Produce posted:Harry tries saying two plus two is three in Parseltongue immediately after learning about the lying thing and it comes out as "two plus two is four". Yeah, we know that Harry wasn't able to lie in Parseltongue. I personally would not trust that Voldemort hadn't come up with a way of getting around that. Harry just instantly makes the leap from "I can't do it" to "no one can do it" and never questions it.
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"Making an untrue statement" and "being deceptive" aren't the same thing and it's really a staple of fantasy that a binding oath of truthfulness doesn't necessarily make you honest, so expect something to that effect sooner or later.
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Cardiovorax posted:"Making an untrue statement" and "being deceptive" aren't the same thing and it's really a staple of fantasy that a binding oath of truthfulness doesn't necessarily make you honest, so expect something to that effect sooner or later. Harry already found that loophole when he said he had "no intentions to use [his wand] against [Voldemort]" but meant "no specific intentions right now - but I definitely will use it against you later if I think of something that might work". Which is even more of a lie than is generally allowed by the "no untrue statements" rule, in my opinion. So the fact that he just keeps accepting everything Voldemort says in Parseltongue as fact is really dumb.
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So, if you don’t know the truth about something, can you say obviously wrong bullshit about it in parseltongue and have it autocorrect to the right statement?
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Pvt.Scott posted:So, if you don’t know the truth about something, can you say obviously wrong bullshit about it in parseltongue and have it autocorrect to the right statement? I don't think it works that way. You just can only say things you believe to be true. So, say, if you don't know what time it is you can't say "it's 3pm" because you don't believe that it is - you just don't know that it isn't.
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Pvt.Scott posted:So, if you don’t know the truth about something, can you say obviously wrong bullshit about it in parseltongue and have it autocorrect to the right statement? Given what Ron does with parseltongue in canon, sure, why not.
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Tiggum posted:Harry already found that loophole when he said he had "no intentions to use [his wand] against [Voldemort]" but meant "no specific intentions right now - but I definitely will use it against you later if I think of something that might work". Which is even more of a lie than is generally allowed by the "no untrue statements" rule, in my opinion. So the fact that he just keeps accepting everything Voldemort says in Parseltongue as fact is really dumb. Turns out Voldemort just has a tape recorder and splices together parseltongue statements word-by-word.
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Pvt.Scott posted:So, if you don’t know the truth about something, can you say obviously wrong bullshit about it in parseltongue and have it autocorrect to the right statement?
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Given what Ron does with parseltongue in canon, sure, why not. (clearly Salazar Slytherin expected there to be a descendant with an accent)
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Doesn't he just try various ways of mimicing what Harry said to open the Chamber until it's close enough to correct that the Chamber opens? The idea of parseltongue as a language which can only express the truth seems like something from the time when HPMOR was meant as a more pedagogical project, because it's a neat starting point to talk about Godel's incompleteness theorems and Turing machines.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Yeah, which is why the idea of some built-in autocorrect makes sense from a certain point of view.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:The idea of parseltongue as a language which can only express the truth seems like something from the time when HPMOR was meant as a more pedagogical project Frankly, I doubt that Yudkowsky knows what Gödel's incompleteness theorem even is, and if he does, he doesn't actually understand what it means and would say something like "but we can get around that because we're so rational and therefore can encompass everything." It's the kind of thing his magical Bayes Monks would do. Their superpower is literally to always be right the first time because rationality.
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Cardiovorax posted:Frankly, I doubt that Yudkowsky knows what Gödel's incompleteness theorem even is, and if he does, he doesn't actually understand what it means and would say something like "but we can get around that because we're so rational and therefore can encompass everything." i think he's read Godel Escher Bach, but there's no evidence he took any of it in
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Tiggum posted:I don't think it works that way. You just can only say things you believe to be true. So, say, if you don't know what time it is you can't say "it's 3pm" because you don't believe that it is - you just don't know that it isn't. This is a world with mind control, after all, so you just have your friend order you, under Unforgivable Curse, to believe whatever you will need to lie about, and undo it or have yourself mindwiped later. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 10:56 on Mar 30, 2019 |
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Liquid Communism posted:This is a world with mind control, after all, so you just have your friend order you, under Unforgivable Curse, to believe whatever you will need to lie about, and undo it or have yourself mindwiped later. Cut out the middleman and just mind-control yourself into (temporarily) believing whatever lie you want, as Voldkowsky does for his Mirror of Erised shenanigans!
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