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unpleasantly turgid
Jul 6, 2016

u lightweights couldn't even feed my shadow ;*
Warcraft 3 mods are better than the standalone games they produced/are based on. also i'm vry hype for warcraft 3 reforged, i just don't understand why they offered preorder more than a year in advance for a loving remake lol

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Zzulu
May 15, 2009

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Twelve Batmans posted:

Bioshock Infinite was fine.

It just isn't mind-blowing and I don't understand anyone who thinks it is.

In retrospect I do think it's pretty bad actually. I did like Elizabeth and the idea of a floating city. Nothing else, though... Bad gameplay, ugly and boring and repetitive enemies and a story that left me completely unsatisfied

Zzulu
May 15, 2009

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Nice bunny rear end avatar friend

bradzilla
Oct 15, 2004

Snow Cone Capone posted:

It was a criticism of the environments, not the game. They all felt super bright and oversaturated. I get that they were going for the whole "everything is fine and good, our society is 100% not collapsing into anarchy" aesthetic, but ugh.

It is a literal sky city that is in the sun all the time. That is the point.

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
I think bright and oversaturated aesthetic is infinitely better than all the grimdark garbage.

unpleasantly turgid
Jul 6, 2016

u lightweights couldn't even feed my shadow ;*

Zzulu posted:

Nice bunny rear end avatar friend

thank you!

Vietnamwees
May 8, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
If you post itt then you are 1 'c00l br0'

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


bradzilla posted:

It is a literal sky city that is in the sun all the time. That is the point.

nah you can definitely do bright and sunny environments without jacking Bloom up to 11 and making everything weirdly reflective

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!
All the BioShock games are fine but theres a lot of over the top hatred for them. You could never say they are boring and they dont overstay their welcome. They are good.

Zzulu
May 15, 2009

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JollyBoyJohn posted:

All the BioShock games are fine but theres a lot of over the top hatred for them. You could never say they are boring and they dont overstay their welcome. They are good.

Well you're wrong, most of them overstayed their welcome. That's like the main complaint about them

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"

the very first one has an hour+ long sequence where you move slower than poo poo and can barely see right after the actual climax of the game lmao

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

JollyBoyJohn posted:

All the BioShock games are fine but theres a lot of over the top hatred for them. You could never say they are boring and they dont overstay their welcome. They are good.

They are boring. I tried to play the first game like 3 times and just couldn't progress past about 3 levels or so because the combat is such a snooze and I couldn't bring myself to play more.

"Libertarianism is bad" is also a very obvious point that really doesn't need to be stressed and the stories are dumb. The games depict its tragic failure, but that's already giving such a ridiculous ideology too much credit.

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!
The main complaints I've read are the gunplay is below par and the stories are pretentious which are fair comments. Saying a 7 hour long game has overstayed its welcome is :psyduck: though even if you dislike them

TheScott2K
Oct 26, 2003

I'm just saying, there's a nonzero chance Trump has a really toad penis.

JollyBoyJohn posted:

The main complaints I've read are the gunplay is below par and the stories are pretentious which are fair comments. Saying a 7 hour long game has overstayed its welcome is :psyduck: though even if you dislike them

The fact that it's so short really underlines how much it drags. You can play the demo of Bioshock and have basically experienced the best of what it has to offer.

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!

food court bailiff posted:

the very first one has an hour+ long sequence where you move slower than poo poo and can barely see right after the actual climax of the game lmao

No it has a less than 10 minute long sequence which is well done and a great setup for the ready of the game.

Great example of someone using their hated of BioShock to over exaggerate its flaws

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


JollyBoyJohn posted:

All the BioShock games are fine but theres a lot of over the top hatred for them. You could never say they are boring and they dont overstay their welcome. They are good.

I don't know why, but I was fine with the combat in the first 2, while Infinite's combat was frustrating and annoying. Maybe because the setpieces were a lot bigger and open-spaced? I feel like they put in all the warpable cover spots and skyhooks to mitigate that, but it didn't really work for me. Like I said, I did the last fight in that game again pretty recently and it was just entirely unfun.

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

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TheScott2K posted:

The fact that it's so short really underlines how much it drags. You can play the demo of Bioshock and have basically experienced the best of what it has to offer.

I only partially disagree here, the first 30 minutes is the strongest part of BioShock 1.

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!
Its probably worth saying that i played all the games on easy and really only cared about the story and world design.

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"

JollyBoyJohn posted:

No it has a less than 10 minute long sequence which is well done and a great setup for the ready of the game.

Great example of someone using their hated of BioShock to over exaggerate its flaws

it is very literally about a half an hour from when you put on the helmet to when you enter the proving grounds, which is another 30 minutes of lovely escort quest

you are the only person on earth that seems to think that it doesn't suck tremendous amounts of rear end

Zzulu
May 15, 2009

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JollyBoyJohn posted:

The main complaints I've read are the gunplay is below par and the stories are pretentious which are fair comments. Saying a 7 hour long game has overstayed its welcome is :psyduck: though even if you dislike them

Most of those 7 hours aren't fun though

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!

Zzulu posted:

Most of those 7 hours aren't fun though

Then why did you play through them :psyduck:

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!
Awful lot of "BioShock loving sucks but i played through it anyway" in this thread. Its ok to drop a game 2 hours in if you find it tedious and unfun. That's how i knew it was safe to uninstall red dead 2 after day 1.

Zzulu
May 15, 2009

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JollyBoyJohn posted:

Then why did you play through them :psyduck:

Back then? Mostly because I had nothing better to do. Nowadays I don't have as much time for games that I don't enjoy. I gave up Metro Exodus on the first level (the big fish snowy level place). Just wasn't that fun

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!
Fair enough really, i played through some piles of shite too but only the real dross stands out.

Thinking of Brute Force and Jade Empire still makes me unreasonabley mad

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Colonel Cancer posted:

You ever play Killing Floor? Idk about KF2 but KF had pretty fun multiplayer.

my favorite thing about the killing floor multiplayer was that the lobby was 100% unstable and most of the time only half the potential clients could ever see a game, let alone connect to it

JollyBoyJohn posted:

The main complaints I've read are the gunplay is below par and the stories are pretentious which are fair comments. Saying a 7 hour long game has overstayed its welcome is :psyduck: though even if you dislike them

if a 7 hour game is seven hours of sloggy poo poo then it will feel like an eternity of forcing your way through a cesspit that's half full of poo poo and half full of the dev's head up his own rear end

if a 100 hour game is fun and entertaining then you'll still want more when it's done

Fur20 fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Mar 27, 2019

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


I think Fallout 4 was the last game I finished just to loving finish the story, then immediately uninstalled and forgot about.

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"

mega man 11 is way, way, way better than a classic series Mega Man in 2018 had any right to be


that game is genuinely good in basically every aspect except some of the music really drags

Twelve Batmans
Dec 24, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Capcom's been batting near a thousand and I worry for how they'll gently caress it up in the future. MHW was cool and good. RE2 was scary fun. DMC V is amazing and the guy who did it says he wants another Rival Schools and Dragon's Dogma.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


drat, you're right. Plus they've got the HD remasters of RE0, 1 and 4 coming for Switch soon, and that Deep Down game looks pretty neat.

Only miss I can think of is the fact that the MMX collection ran worse than the PS2 MMX collection, the actual original games, or an emulator that runs on a cell phone. Although I guess splitting it into 2 and letting me skip paying an extra $20 for basically the shittiest mega man games overall was nice.

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"

that was really funny tbh, "here's $20 for some of the best action platformers ever released, and here's $20 for....mega man x5 (except we removed the cool guns n roses names) and 3 terrible games"

e: i actually beat x5 for the first time recently via the collection and there are so many cool ideas in there that are absolutely, totally broken that it is kind of its own little tragedy

is pepsi ok
Oct 23, 2002

Shibawanko posted:

"Libertarianism is bad" is also a very obvious point that really doesn't need to be stressed and the stories are dumb. The games depict its tragic failure, but that's already giving such a ridiculous ideology too much credit.

Maybe not now but at the time "Libertarianism is bad" was not obvious to most gamers and it absolutely did need to be stressed.

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


I didn't finish or like the first two Bioshock games at all and bought Infinite when it came out because I wasn't playing anything else at the time. I thought it was really good. Like, I had a zero expectations for it and wasn't following it's development, so I didn't know people were expecting it to change the face of video games or some poo poo. it had a cool art style and the story was entertaining, so it pretty much delivered for me, but I wasn't expecting anything more.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

JollyBoyJohn posted:

Then why did you play through them :psyduck:

when someone doesn't have fun in the N hours they get told to keep going because that's not enough time to really make a fair opinion (in Bioshock's case most people would insist that you play up until the story twist), then when that person keeps going and still doesn't like it the response becomes "well why did you keep playing it for so long if it wasn't fun??" I wish people wouldn't do either of these things. We've all played video games that we wound up not liking, and some of them we probably played for way longer than we should have; there's no good reason to assign judgement to that.

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

I think Bioshock 1 has a cool slow pace and interesting world design and creepy bad guys and come fun combat where you fight just a couple meaty enemies. I think its a cool game.

Pyromancer
Apr 29, 2011

This man must look upon the fire, smell of it, warm his hands by it, stare into its heart

is pepsi ok posted:

Maybe not now but at the time "Libertarianism is bad" was not obvious to most gamers and it absolutely did need to be stressed.

Is it obvious now? Just go into bitcoin thread next to this one, they regularly bring in quotes worth a laugh

Foul Ole Ron
Jan 6, 2005

All of you, please don't rush, everyone do the Guybrush!
Fun Shoe
Bioshock 1 was amazing (though the plus nding was a little lack luster).

Infinite just felt like a weak reskin or clone to me. The story was a hot mess that couldn't stand alone on its own merits (having to bring rapture in to fill plot holes).

Girbot
Jan 13, 2009

signalnoise posted:

As neat as I think it is for games to try to tell compelling stories with complex emotions and stuff the best games thing is just stuff that's fun to do like jumping around in mario or kicking demon rear end

This is a big reason why TF2 is still kicking. Mobility mechanics in that game are so good it's fun to just jump around on jump maps for hours, practice which is fun on its own and translates well into the core gameplay.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

JollyBoyJohn posted:

Its probably worth saying that i played all the games on easy and really only cared about the story and world design.

Same except literally all games. Except maybe Fallouts but they're easy anyway.

E: I wish BioShock had more placed where you could actually do something with the magic like puzzles and poo poo but there's like three places and they're drat obvious. Shame.

3D Megadoodoo fucked around with this message at 13:46 on Mar 28, 2019

TheScott2K
Oct 26, 2003

I'm just saying, there's a nonzero chance Trump has a really toad penis.

Girbot posted:

This is a big reason why TF2 is still kicking. Mobility mechanics in that game are so good it's fun to just jump around on jump maps for hours, practice which is fun on its own and translates well into the core gameplay.

The best "game stories" are the ones that happen in your head while playing a game with well-developed mechanics. I have lost all interest in watching CG puppet shows between levels and being told "this is storytelling!"

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poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



JollyBoyJohn posted:

Its probably worth saying that i played all the games on easy and really only cared about the story and world design.

Jerry Cotton posted:

Same except literally all games. Except maybe Fallouts but they're easy anyway.
does your mom still cut the crusts off your sandwiches?

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