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Mar 23, 2019 17:45
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its almost like the people who founded israel and who lead it today are overt and open friends of nazis and perhaps the greatest traitors and enemies of the jewish people in history but idk.
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Mar 23, 2019 17:49
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It's not like the comparison between Israel and Nazi Germany is rare. Just look back at the words of Yair Golan, former IDF Deputy Chief of Staff. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/idf-general-likens-trends-in-israeli-society-to-pre-holocaust-germany-1.5379620 quote:In an unusual speech in honor of Holocaust Remembrance Day on Wednesday evening, IDF Deputy Chief of Staff Maj. Gen.Yair Golan likened recent developments in Israeli society to processes that unfolded in Europe before the Holocaust.
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Mar 23, 2019 18:36
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Did I post this before? Might as well repost regardless: http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/inner-nazi-or-never-again-jew-which-are-you/
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Mar 23, 2019 19:38
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Conflating Jews with the government of Israel is dumb and bad. Bibi: yes, but now we're an ethnostate. Owl of Cream cheese: you heard the man!
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Mar 23, 2019 19:51
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Xander77 posted:Did I post this before? Might as well repost regardless: quote:The father of Nazism, Adolf Hitler, hunted Jews precisely because we were the embodiment of morality, the “conscience of the world” which he wanted to wipe out. interesting if true mr. op-ed writer!
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Mar 23, 2019 19:53
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Your Parents posted:Avs is, literally, a fascist white supremacist.
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Mar 23, 2019 20:35
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Xander77 posted:Did I post this before? Might as well repost regardless: Genuinely curious, because I'm still not following the argument; who's the anti-semite here? Xander for sharing this blog post, the blog poster for dividing Jews into not nazis and nazis, or anyone reading it and feeling uncomfortable with the imagery of belonging to a master race that should be allowed to eradicate the savage lesser races at will?
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Mar 23, 2019 23:43
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:No matter how legitimately awful an individual black person is you can not go to chicken and watermelon jokes without that speaking to your opinion of blacks people. You are misunderstanding a lot of people if you think anyone other than few exceptions here are treating any of this, including historical comparisons, as a joke. I would also have no compunction about making direct comparisons to the US South if people of any color start implementing a system of chattel slavery.
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Mar 24, 2019 01:11
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Some rocket hit a house in Mishmoret, some 120 kms from Gaza, 7 injured (and 4 dogs killed, apparently). The crossings from Gaza to Israel have been closed, Israel is blaming hamas for the firing claiming the rockets came from a hamas outpost. Everyone to the right of Meretz (so everyone) is taking potshots and Netanyahu for being 'easy on Hamas' (and paying them off 15 million dollars a few months back), the safest bet is that the IDF will try to destroy some hamas affiliated targets without trying to cause further escalation, we'll see.
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Mar 25, 2019 10:14
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Some rocket hit a house in Mishmoret, some 120 kms from Gaza, 7 injured (and 4 dogs killed, apparently). Hamas affiliated targets such as UN funded schools (training camps for terrorists) MSF Doctors (inject people with vaccines that are actually sarin) and of course, those dastardly water and food delivery trucks (bread is hamas slang for c4)
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Mar 25, 2019 11:17
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Thank you for the hot take.
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Mar 25, 2019 11:42
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You’re welcome, I was going to comment on gunning down unarmed protestors or shooting kids who throw rocks at armoured vehicles but I thought that might make the comedic hyperbole too real.
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Mar 25, 2019 12:10
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It depends on how Israel really feels about the rocket. If they think Hamas isn't really responsible, they're not above bombing a totally empty field and announcing that they destroyed a Hamas training site or rocket launch site. The "bomb Hamas every time a rocket is launched" policy is mostly for domestic consumption at this point, since it's quite clear that it hasn't been remotely effective, so the IDF doesn't mind bombing nothing if they think that it'll be counterproductive to attack Hamas. As long as the war-boner morons sitting on the border hear something go boom, they're happy. Though that just goes to show how profoundly toxic the discourse is in Israel, that the IDF is essentially forced into making pointless strikes simply because the right will raise a political fuss if they dare let a single rocket go unpunished. On the other hand, the elections are only a couple weeks away and Bibi's popularity isn't doing so hot, so we might be looking at a big escalation coming up. The IDF is already moving troops to the Gaza border.
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Mar 25, 2019 14:07
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So now Romania is moving it's embassy to Jerusalem against the stance of the EU.
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Mar 25, 2019 16:26
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Here we go https://twitter.com/mairavz/status/1110196800567177218?s=21
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Mar 25, 2019 17:27
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Every loving Israeli election like clockwork.
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Mar 25, 2019 19:44
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I really don't like that word "prolonged" in there. Does that mean the strike is going to go on for a long while (as in hours), or is this going to turn into a multi-week thing?
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Mar 25, 2019 20:23
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Saladin Rising posted:I really don't like that word "prolonged" in there. Does that mean the strike is going to go on for a long while (as in hours), or is this going to turn into a multi-week thing? going by the last election time war as a gauge, weeks.
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Mar 25, 2019 23:18
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Saladin Rising posted:I really don't like that word "prolonged" in there. Does that mean the strike is going to go on for a long while (as in hours), or is this going to turn into a multi-week thing?
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Mar 26, 2019 00:10
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IDF mobilized its reserves, which are at or moving to the Gaza Strip border. They're at full readiness for a multi-division crossing operation into Gaza, with sufficient balance of forces to both invade and hold substantial parts of Gaza City. The entire Gaza Strip and adjacent areas have been declared "Closed Military Zones", aka warzones. IDF airstrikes and artillery bombardment continue, while the Gazans launch large scale rocket attacks against Southern Israel. Egyptian attempts at deconfliction appear ineffective.
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Mar 26, 2019 00:44
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I'm pretty sure it's basically a national sport at this point. Like fox hunting with people.
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Mar 26, 2019 00:53
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I have a hard time believing Bibi would actually stage a large-scale invasion of Gaza prior to the elections and risk suffering 2006 Lebanon-war-esque casualties.
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Mar 26, 2019 00:53
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Grape posted:I'm pretty sure it's basically a national sport at this point. Like fox hunting with people. like the spartan autumnal helot massacre.
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Mar 26, 2019 00:55
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"Respond with force so that it doesn't look like you're going easy on Hamas, but not so much that the situation escalates out of control" is a hard game to play.
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Mar 26, 2019 00:57
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qkkl posted:I have a hard time believing Bibi would actually stage a large-scale invasion of Gaza prior to the elections and risk suffering 2007-esque casualties.
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Mar 26, 2019 01:07
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FlamingLiberal posted:I mean I don't know, the Gaza of 2019 is a lot different than the Gaza of 2007 e: nvm I'm dumb the Lebanon war happened in 2006.
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Mar 26, 2019 01:08
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Time for another Flower War.
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Mar 26, 2019 01:41
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qkkl posted:I have a hard time believing Bibi would actually stage a large-scale invasion of Gaza prior to the elections and risk suffering 2006 Lebanon-war-esque casualties. And yet Cast Lead. And Pillar of Defense. And Protective Edge.
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Mar 26, 2019 08:54
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Orange Devil posted:And yet Cast Lead. And Pillar of Defense. And Protective Edge. The elections are in two weeks, none of these 'operations' were in such close vicinity to the elections.
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Mar 26, 2019 12:25
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qkkl posted:I have a hard time believing Bibi would actually stage a large-scale invasion of Gaza prior to the elections and risk suffering 2006 Lebanon-war-esque casualties. The war in Lebanon killed more Israeli soldiers than the entire decade-plus Gaza conflict to date. The massively superior Israeli position limits their vulnerability, so there's very little chance of significant IDF deaths. The bigger problem is that the Israeli populace won't be happy with another inconclusive war that just blows a bunch of poo poo up and then pulls out. But that concerns the end of the war, which Bibi can easily draw out past election day, so it's not really an electoral risk unless people have completely lost trust in him.
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Mar 26, 2019 18:07
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What a surprise that Hamas loves Likud and is trying hard to provoke them into a response and help them win an election, who possibly could have predicted this after it literally has happened multiple times before. I don't think that it'll escalate beyond where it is at this level, but if it does, it'll be a bombing campaign, not a ground invasion. Netanyahu doesn't want dead soldiers before an election.
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Mar 27, 2019 02:26
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Kim Jong Il posted:What a surprise that Hamas loves Likud and is trying hard to provoke them into a response and help them win an election, who possibly could have predicted this after it literally has happened multiple times before. This is certainly a take. "Ah the IRA love the Tories because more oppression means more uptake at the meetings and they can afford a better selection of snacks with increased membership." You idiot.
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Mar 27, 2019 03:14
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So what was it that kicked this one off? As in, the specific inciting incident?
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Mar 27, 2019 03:20
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Palestinians existing.
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Mar 27, 2019 03:37
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Darth Walrus posted:So what was it that kicked this one off? As in, the specific inciting incident? Talking about "specific inciting event" is a bit misguided, since Gaza and Israel are always exchanging fire in some way. A better question is "which particular event captured political and media attention?" In this case, it's that a rocket from Gaza happened to hit a house north of Tel Aviv, causing non-serious injuries to several people. In recent years, it's become extremely rare for rockets from Gaza to actually do any damage, since they're completely unguided and Israel has missile defense systems, so it draws more outcry when one actually manages to hit something. On top of that, the area it hit is in central Israel, and rockets landing there usually get more attention than rockets landing near the Gaza border. And most importantly, it's election time. There's tons of right-wing politicians ready to call for escalation, and Netanyahu himself has made defense a key part of his political image.
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Mar 27, 2019 03:38
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Gonzo McFee posted:This is certainly a take. "Ah the IRA love the Tories because more oppression means more uptake at the meetings and they can afford a better selection of snacks with increased membership." Do you really think they give a poo poo about anything but maintaining power? And the same for Likud. As right wing ethnonationalist parties, it's in their best interest to demonize the other side and "prove" to civilians that only their warmongering can protect them. 1996 is the best example of this, but Hamas's tunnels came to light right around the time Olmert was on his last legs. The prospect of anyone but right wingers running the show seems to be a terrifying thought.
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Mar 28, 2019 00:31
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Kim Jong Il posted:Do you really think they give a poo poo about anything but maintaining power?
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Mar 28, 2019 02:02
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There's many problems with that theory, but perhaps the biggest one of all is the fact that Hamas doesn't get to choose what causes a flareup. They're always launching rockets; it's up to Israel to decide when to suddenly make a big deal out of it. Aside from that, Hamas doesn't need war to maintain their power base, because unlike Netanyahu, they have an actual economic program. They didn't build their grassroots support in Gaza by picking fights with Israel, they built it by being a major provider of social services and benefits, filling the void left by the corrupt and ineffective Fatah-led PA.
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Mar 28, 2019 02:44
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Main Paineframe posted:They didn't build their grassroots support in Gaza by picking fights with Israel, they built it by being a major provider of social services and benefits, filling the void left by the corrupt and ineffective Fatah-led PA. I disagree, you can't talk about Hamas's rise to popularity without mentioning its militancy. Israel withdrew from Gaza after a few years of active resistance, and Hamas was in position to take credit for that. Decades of negotiation by the PLO had failed to do that. Their active role in civil society certainly also was a big part of their appeal, they leveraged both of those issues in the run-up to the 2006 elections. But LOL at anyone who thinks Hamas is some sort of puppetmaster.
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Mar 28, 2019 15:27
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