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Are we definitely absolutely not exiting tomorrow? I feel like this Government is so crap they've forgotten to send the form or make the phonecall or whatever.
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 lemonadesweetheart posted:Quick question, is Labour still riddled with blairites and centre right twats? yep
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Guavanaut posted:This is a bad idea. Tories love it because it means that 'England' gets to decide to spend all the money on the Home Counties while shutting out Scottish and Welsh voices, and would give devolved levels of government representing 5.5m, 3.2m, 1.8m (when they can agree on anything), and 55.6m people respectively. Yes I agree.
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Abel Wingnut posted:give me a good name for a trivia team Bit late but: Quiz on my tits
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Elliptical Dick posted:Bit late but: And tell me that you love me
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I really don't see how devolved governments can work when you have london and then everywhere else. You can't have equal governments with that level of wealth inequality. You wouldn't suggest breaking up scotland and making edinburgh its own state.
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Mar 28, 2019 14:04
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Mar 28, 2019 14:05
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Plank Sanction posted:'The Northern Line'? Didn't know Pacers operated with TfL. Be sceptical, the press love getting trains wrong. Pacers will be gone by 31/12/19 due to PRM laws. Northern probably wanted to retire them earlier than than that but haven't got their new units through testing yet. Pacer 142001 is promised to the NRM when it finishes service. The Northern line - a line operated by Northern - not the Northern Line.
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Mar 28, 2019 14:07
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I got a letter from my overwhelmingly Conservative district council saying it'd be trialling voter ID at the local elections in a few months "to make voting more secure against potential fraud". I'll need to bring photo ID such as a drivers license or passport in order to vote, or have two forms of non photo ID such as a utility bill. The letter mentioned that this is a trial and this system is intended for nationwide rollout at the next "scheduled" general election. This will inevitably disenfranchise some people, but who?
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Mar 28, 2019 14:07
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seizure later posted:as Rarity asked, what is enough then to secure votes for a Labour government? a promise of IndyRef2? Ignoring the good things Labour currently offers: - abolish the House of Lords, for real this time, along with the entire honours system - end the monarchy - move the capital out of London - outlaw side gigs for MPs - revoke Article 50 - honour the promises the party made in 2014, and set the rights and responsibilities of the devolved governments in law so they're at least harder to backtrack on (as is happening currently) - radical local devolution to its maximum throughout the UK - stop letting Corbyn get his Scotland briefings from the worst of ScotLab, I can hear Anas Sarwar in most of his speeches - reform the voting system so the Tories don't rip everything up four years later like they do every time Hit me up when these are on the table and I'll wave the Butcher's Apron with the rest of you
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Mar 28, 2019 14:07
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OwlFancier posted:I really don't see how devolved governments can work when you have london and then everywhere else. You can't have equal governments with that level of wealth inequality. London and several regions of a similar size in terms of population would work, don't you think? Part of the point of having devolved governments is increasing advocacy for those regions' needs. Under the right government that could be a means of geographic wealth redistribution.
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Mar 28, 2019 14:08
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Peanut Butter posted:Funding for what? Do you seriously not understand that every local authority exists within a particular social and economic environment and that their jobs are to react to this in a way that provides specific services determined by their ideological leanings and party policy? Things that are shaped by identification of those issues in the first place? Aberdeen City Council has tons of money and our roads are poo poo, public transport massively overpriced, and our wealth gap is huge. They're shutting down all the libraries except central yet just blew their load on a loving huge conference centre. The money is here, but the ideology of the local government has not solved any of our problems because they have neglected to address social issues. How can you not understand that the needs of the people here are both equal to those elsewhere and fundamentally different? Jesus christ, another council doing that? Thought it was just Northampton pouring funds into the void. Wonder how many others there are. What the gently caress is going on with these people?
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Abel Wingnut posted:give me a good name for a trivia team Blue Peter Charity Appeal for Kids with Quiztic Fibrosis
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Azza Bamboo posted:This will inevitably disenfranchise some people, but who? People without the time, money, ability, or inclination to get an ID. So poor people, PoC, and trans people. Don't read anything into who they might vote for.
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Necrothatcher posted:Are we definitely absolutely not exiting tomorrow? I feel like this Government is so crap they've forgotten to send the form or make the phonecall or whatever. AFAIK the vote to extend the deadline to 12th of April (crispix's birthday) passed about an hour before the indicative vote results were announced and this brought the deadline in domestic law into line with international law where it had already been changed to 12th of April. IIRC over a hundred MPs voted against the extension though  You're right though we have a blindingly incompetent administration and I have absolute confidence in them to gently caress up even the most basic of things.
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Peanut Butter posted:London and several regions of a similar size in terms of population would work, don't you think? Part of the point of having devolved governments is increasing advocacy for those regions' needs. Under the right government that could be a means of geographic wealth redistribution. I would rather have everybody else on the landmass voting against london.
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UKMT turning into the labour version of the telegraph every time Scots come up has always been funny and only got more funny after I moved here. Labour are doing abysmally in Scotland atm and scotlab are complete trash. Corbyn Labour has apparently made no effort to talk to Scotland whatsoever and are exactly as patronising and ill informed as any English person on the telly IMO this is the only major political failing I can think of from Corbyn Labour. Its as if Theyv decided to concede Scotland to the SNP but if that's the case theyr also mystifyingly hostile to the coalition that will necessitate. My Scots literal commie dad in law who was a Labour voter all his life until recently hisses at the TV when what's his face Murphy the sub-kezia leader of scotlab pops up Sucks for Labour but forget that it sucks for me personally since I'm gonna have to either vote against Corbyn for the SNP which I don't want to or I'm going to have to vote for Scotlab who are manifestly incompetent and unfit to govern.
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Surprise Giraffe posted:Jesus christ, another council doing that? Thought it was just Northampton pouring funds into the void. Wonder how many others there are. What the gently caress is going on with these people? Councillors are generally corrupt as gently caress because nobody pays attention to councils. Which, of course, is why we need more of them. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Mar 28, 2019 |
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Azza Bamboo posted:This will inevitably disenfranchise some people, but who? People who don't drive or get utility bills. Young people, homeless people, lots of renters.
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Hentai Jihadist posted:IMO this is the only major political failing I can think of from Corbyn Labour. Its as if Theyv decided to concede Scotland to the SNP but if that's the case theyr also mystifyingly hostile to the coalition that will necessitate. ok but seems that the SNP are also mystifyingly hostile to Labour, a coalition that they also need if they ever want anything to go their way. e: I'm not saying Labour are right to be hostile or that the tweet from Corbyn with that video is in any way a good thing, but both parties just taking snipes at each other ultimately only helps one party and it ain't either of them
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Mar 28, 2019 14:16
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OwlFancier posted:Councillors are generally corrupt as gently caress because nobody pays attention to councils. having lived in southwark and been involved with housing stuff, this is true but in addition to corruption a large part of it is also councils literally do not have the resources to oppose developers coming in and making GBS threads about the place i thought this article was a good example of this https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/jun/25/london-developers-viability-planning-affordable-social-housing-regeneration-oliver-wainwright
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It is ironic and very inconvenient that Scottish Labour became the last holdout of power for Blairite shitheads. If it is the case that that can only be changed by a powerful grassroots movement in Scotland then you have a problem because a big portion of the marginalised people whose energy and votes you need for that will likely have already been sold the idea that independence is the solution to their problems imo
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OwlFancier posted:Councillors are generally corrupt as gently caress because nobody pays attention to councils. It's a part time jon that pays £10 grand for as much work as you want to take on, are yiu surprised? Abolish the 3 councilors to a ward system and replace them with a single Councillor per ward being paid £35 grand as a full time job with no other incomes and you might see some change.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The Northern line - a line operated by Northern - not the Northern Line. Oh, believe me, I know Northern (and TfL for that matter) well. In my opinion the article read as if to say 'the Northern line', as in a line called 'Northern', rather than Northern Rail who the article is taking aim at. In fact, Pacers aren't restricted to lines as such, they operate all over the non electrified network. Still utter guff given the Pacers have to be gone by the end of the year and Northern's new stock (sorry, 'carriages' is preferred by the press isn't it) is built and currently undergoing testing. Plank Sanction fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Mar 28, 2019 |
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Nothingtoseehere posted:It's a part time jon that pays £10 grand for as much work as you want to take on, are yiu surprised? Abolish the 3 councilors to a ward system and replace them with a single Councillor per ward being paid £35 grand as a full time job with no other incomes and you might see some change. To be honest I don't think that would help. People just don't give a poo poo about local elections, and them that do all fight them on stupid local issue crap that never actually happens anyway.
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can Scots posters tell me what the current messaging is from the SNP? like how are they intending to go about getting IndyRef2? or if it's even mentioned much at all at the moment?
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OwlFancier posted:I really don't see how devolved governments can work when you have london and then everywhere else. You can't have equal governments with that level of wealth inequality. That's why they're necessary - you need regions to be able to make their own decisions about what benefits them without having to factor in London's interests. You don't invite the boss when you form a union at work. OwlFancier posted:Councillors are generally corrupt as gently caress because nobody pays attention to councils. It literally is, yes, because that corruption is largely the result of an incurious national government failing to crack down because it doesn't pay close enough attention to regional concerns to know what's a reasonable investment and what's straight-up grift. Oversight requires local knowledge.
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Polishing up my galaxy brain hot take that Norway+ garnered more Tory rebels than Clarke's Custom Union, was unopposed by the DUP and garnered the support of Plaid and would have won by 5 votes if the 100 Labour MPs who voted against it or abstained supported it.
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lemonadesweetheart posted:Maybe they can join the EU. Enjoy becoming the greece of the north then.
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Darth Walrus posted:That's why they're necessary - you need regions to be able to make their own decisions about what benefits them without having to factor in London's interests. You don't invite the boss when you form a union at work. That's going to be a weird devolved government if it's everywhere else deciding what to do with london's money. I'm not sure how that would ever get set up. A union works because you outnumber the boss, not because you legislated them out of the equation. I would again suggest that maybe it has more to do with the locals not actually being interested in what their local government is doing? Advocating local government while simultaneously saying the national government needs to decide for itself what constututes legitimate local government is... a bit confusing? Like fundamentally people repeatedly vote for shitheads in local government because they're gormless and believe anything that comes through their door or because they correctly identify that local government can't do poo poo without central funding. I don't really see how you change that without literally doing syndicalism. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Mar 28, 2019 |
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Beefeater1980 posted:It just struck me that the off-the-cuff comment from a Brexiter that this was all a ploy to frighten the EU actually gives a face saving way out. unless its someone with tory leadership aspirations there is no reason they couldn't just go with some variation of "I thought it was a great idea at the time but its clearly become so complex and complicated and potentially damaging I don't think its a good idea any more"
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Nothingtoseehere posted:It's a part time jon that pays £10 grand for as much work as you want to take on, are yiu surprised? Abolish the 3 councilors to a ward system and replace them with a single Councillor per ward being paid £35 grand as a full time job with no other incomes and you might see some change. Being a councillor used to pay enough that you could do it full time Would you like to guess when this changed
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I see we have new Scot goons in the thread. Welcome, comrades. This thread is incredibly myopic on Scotland, and this is coming from a full blown "abolish work" socialist. Reminder for the goons in this thread that if England goes Labour, you get Labour. If England goes Tory, you get Tory. It near enough doesn't matter a drat what we vote. Yes, I am aware that in 2017, the number of Tories in Scotland ended up mattering, but how about you bitch at the cunts voting Tory instead then. Most any other time, going right back to the 1920s, it doesn't matter a drat what Scotland says, so if you want to complain about a regions voting habits, get some of the English ones sorted out first.
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And I again point out that this is also true for 50% of the population of the UK and that "english" is not a meaningful political, cultural, or geographical distinction.
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OwlFancier posted:That's going to be a weird devolved government if it's everywhere else deciding what to do with london's money. I'm not sure how that would ever get set up. A union works because you outnumber the boss, not because you legislated them out of the equation. When it's positioned as England/Scotland/Wales then you end up with the English chuntering about the Scots and Welsh getting free money while it all ends up pooled in the South.
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Guavanaut posted:That's the idea of a federation. If Scotland and Wales and Northumbria and Yorkshire and Rheged and the West Midlands and East Midlands and Wessex all decide that there should be a more generous formula for regional funding and Greater London and the South East and Anglia disagree, there's sufficient weight to force it. I would suggest the solution might be to dissolve england/scotland/wales then because they're all dumb ideas.
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Also non-scottish Labour are kind of in a bind when it comes to Scotland - any heavy-handed attempt to reform ScotLab into something not poo poo is probably not going to be received well by people who think Scotland is dictated to by Westminster On the other hand it's clear ScotLab aren't going to sort their poo poo out themselves. People south of the border had pinned their hopes on Richard Leonard but unfortunately he's turned out to be crap. With all the other poo poo thats going on it's not clear what the best way to sort ScotLab out is.
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i'm still amused at the media opinion that on may resigning the interim pm will be chosen by 100k tory members they didn't even get to choose may
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I don't know about Scotland and have kept quiet about it. My only issue with the SNP isn't on any ideological grounds, just that they evidently split the Labour vote from 2010 onwards. That raises an open question for me which is "Would I rather a Labour Majority than a Lab/SNP coalition?" Looking at SNP policy they tend to be aligned to the left, and yet at the same time they take every chance they can to have a dig at Labour even where they seem to agree. That's really all I have to offer on Scotland.
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