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Even on Windows 2000 I had to find a driver to use a flash drive.
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I distinctly remember having a CD with drivers packed in with my first USB drive. A whopping 128Mb she was, and soft blue and black plastic. 
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Mar 28, 2019 07:27
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Some of the Windows 98 computers at my work haven't gotten the mass storage drivers, so I just access them through the network, but my boss insists on using floppies. We have a Windows Me computer that bluescreens if you type too fast.
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Mar 28, 2019 07:59
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gently caress you for reminding me that Windows XP used to require third party software to get Wi-Fi working, now I have flashbacks to how muchly that sucked. I switched to a new MacBook (Intel OS X 10.5) in 2007 and I remember being blown away by how simple poo poo like connecting to a wireless network... just happened? USB things just worked? For a while OS X really was a whole different world from Windows, slick, fast, and carefree.
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Mar 28, 2019 10:22
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0toShifty posted:Some of the Windows 98 computers at my work haven't gotten the mass storage drivers, so I just access them through the network, but my boss insists on using floppies. If someone said their workplace still had a few systems running Windows NT 4 I wouldn't be that horrified, but how can anyone still be relying on 98/Me?!? I remember bitching over 10 years ago to our IT guy that if they couldn't get me a machine with at least 2000 on it they had better expect me to spend more time dealing with poo poo crashing than getting any work done. And you have multiple of these?? I'm horrified, even really old test and analytical equipment should have been based on the NT series surely? Only thing I can think of is cheap custom made hardware connected to parallel ports with applications that need full DOS-like hardware access to work. I guess if your software is less complex than Office, Windows 98 might not be so unstable as it was for me.
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Mar 28, 2019 14:16
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There was only a period of about a year between me discovering USB flash drives and deciding they were the greatest thing ever... and then realizing I no longer had a use for USB flash drives because cloud storage was more appropriate for everything I was trying to back up. But that was a grand year, I could do ANYTHING
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Mar 28, 2019 14:39
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barbecue at the folks posted:gently caress you for reminding me that Windows XP used to require third party software to get Wi-Fi working, now I have flashbacks to how muchly that sucked. I switched to a new MacBook (Intel OS X 10.5) in 2007 and I remember being blown away by how simple poo poo like connecting to a wireless network... just happened? USB things just worked? For a while OS X really was a whole different world from Windows, slick, fast, and carefree. Its crazy how fast this stuff changes. A decade ago I would never have recommended anyone buy a non-mac laptop. The clunky, bad PC designs combined with the death throes of Vista were just horrible. Nowadays Windows 10 and OSX are pretty much on par for everything and PC manufacturers are finally taking cues from apple and not designing horrendous blobs of poo poo. A Surface pro running Windows 10 is basically the ideal general purpose computer, and I'll fight anyone over it
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Mar 28, 2019 15:22
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Buttcoin purse posted:If someone said their workplace still had a few systems running Windows NT 4 I wouldn't be that horrified, but how can anyone still be relying on 98/Me?!? I remember bitching over 10 years ago to our IT guy that if they couldn't get me a machine with at least 2000 on it they had better expect me to spend more time dealing with poo poo crashing than getting any work done. So these are running test systems that were originally designed for DOS. Windows 98 is the newest version that works with the ISA interface card on two of the testers, and the other two can use Win ME and run in a command prompt. If they still calibrate every year, why not keep using them? My job is to support this fleet of highly varied PCs. Together they have every single released version of windows from 3.1 to windows 10. Jim Silly-Balls posted:A Surface pro running Windows 10 is basically the ideal general purpose computer, and I'll fight anyone over it I just bought a Surface Book 2 and it is perfection. I haven't used my home desktop PC since I got it. Unexpectedly, the GTX1060 in it is faster on most of the games I play than the GTX970 in my old desktop was. (More VRAM) 0toShifty has a new favorite as of 15:32 on Mar 28, 2019 |
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Mar 28, 2019 15:30
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0toShifty posted:So these are running test systems that were originally designed for DOS. Windows 98 is the newest version that works with the ISA interface card on two of the testers, and the other two can use Win ME and run in a command prompt. If they still calibrate every year, why not keep using them? I mean you'd probably be better off running 98SE on the ME box that crashes when you type but whatever. Jim Silly-Balls posted:A Surface pro running Windows 10 is basically the ideal general purpose computer, and I'll fight anyone over it Windows 10 is a long hot spray of cat diarrhea to the face. It's basically unusable.
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Mar 28, 2019 15:57
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Chairman Mao posted:Windows 10 is a long hot spray of cat diarrhea to the face. It's basically unusable. If you ever use the option to link it to your work Outlook or whatever poo poo gets weird. Never quite sure how much is being shared to whom kind of poo poo. I'm a Win7 person, so 10 just feels like a reaction to loving up with 8 bigtime. The better system recovery/reinstall options are cool though.
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Mar 28, 2019 16:03
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Chairman Mao posted:
Sorry about your obviously ridiculously edgy edge case, I guess 
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Mar 28, 2019 16:18
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Sorry about your obviously ridiculously edgy edge case, I guess You're the first person I've ever encountered who hasn't hated the windows 10 experience so I guess there's a lot of us living on the edge.
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Mar 28, 2019 16:30
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Until I read some reactions here I assumed it would be a universally-held belief that Windows 10 was the best version ever, so I am certainly surprised by it being seen as utter garbage. I cannot think of anything particularly wrong with it from a usage perspective, even if I am sure a million things are wrong with what it is doing behind the scenes. It has never even crashed as far as I can recall other than when a few ornery Steam games blanked the screen and I could not do anything but hard shutdown. Though yes I would probably still rather be using a command-line interface to launch my games
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Mar 28, 2019 16:53
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Chairman Mao posted:Windows 10 is a long hot spray of cat diarrhea to the face. It's basically unusable. It's the same basic UI as nearly everything before it. And is probably at 60% adoption at this point. You may not like it, but calling it "unusable" is 
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Mar 28, 2019 16:53
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I've had problems with Intel's new certified drivers not recognizing the IntelHD Graphics i've got on my laptop (it's a weird 'business' machine). But other than that it's been a pretty smooth transition
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Mar 28, 2019 16:57
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Dr. Quarex posted:Until I read some reactions here I assumed it would be a universally-held belief that Windows 10 was the best version ever, so I am certainly surprised by it being seen as utter garbage. I cannot think of anything particularly wrong with it from a usage perspective Every important setting is somewhere you wouldn't expect it to be and not where you expect it to be. Setting up any sort of network is still hot garbage (for this reason and others) but it always was.
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Mar 28, 2019 16:58
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Maybe im just a pleb but Win10 never gets in my way when im using it, which is pretty much my benchmark for an OS not being a POS Also I'm very happy that Windows 10 carries on the fine Windows tradition of "something loud, unexpected and unskippable will definitely happen during the OS install" with the Cortana screen
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Mar 28, 2019 17:00
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Did I wake up in a loving parallel universe this morning? Edit: oh I get it now, you guys are 4 days early though Chairman Mao has a new favorite as of 17:09 on Mar 28, 2019 |
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Mar 28, 2019 17:03
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Yeah from a usability perspective, ignoring data harvesting or whatever, windows 10 is fine.
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Mar 28, 2019 17:12
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Chairman Mao posted:You're the first person I've ever encountered who hasn't hated the windows 10 experience so I guess there's a lot of us living on the edge. Please turn off your computer and visit the outside world occasionally.
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Mar 28, 2019 17:13
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I don’t know what your standards for usability are but you deserve better.
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Mar 28, 2019 17:16
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Chairman Mao posted:I don’t know what your standards for usability are but you deserve better. My standards are "it doesnt actively and regularly bother me" which windows 10 does not. OSX doesnt either, so its a wash for me
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Mar 28, 2019 17:20
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:Please turn off your computer and visit the outside world occasionally. That’s actually what I’m basing my opinion on, I’m not as habitually online anymore so most of my experience has been with real people and their lovely computers that updating to Windows 10 broke. Maybe goons just have a higher tolerance for constantly working around bugs and crashes than most people but doing even the simplest thing on a Windows 10 machine is a massive massive chore.
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Mar 28, 2019 17:23
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You need to give us examples of what makes it unusable, because you're either doing some horribly esoteric things or... I don't even know. Not that good at computers?
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Mar 28, 2019 17:26
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Jerry Cotton posted:Every important setting is somewhere you wouldn't expect it to be and not where you expect it to be. The setting section is a mishmash of broad categories and subtabs and then a settings page with links to advanced options so it can be a bit unwieldy . Spend 10 minutes rooting around only to find that adaptive brightness and color intensity are in the Intel HD Video application. It's also a little harder to get to the old Control Panels which are more familiar to many of us.
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Mar 28, 2019 17:30
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* Watches the Windows slapfight from the comfort of my Linux workstation *  But seriously, Win10 certainly has its annoyances (I agree with Jerry Cotton that none of the settings are where you'd expect them to be) and you should pretty much assume that it reports everything you do back to the mothership, but from a day-to-day usability perspective, it's fine. It fixes most of Windows 8's interface disasters, and stands as a decent successor to 7.
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Mar 28, 2019 17:31
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Chairman Mao posted:Did I wake up in a loving parallel universe this morning? What happens in 4 days  Powered Descent posted:* Watches the Windows slapfight from the comfort of my Linux workstation * I'm calling you names right now but you can't hear it 
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Mar 28, 2019 17:33
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Powered Descent posted:* Watches the Windows slapfight from the comfort of my Linux workstation * 10 is what drove me back into the waiting arms of Linux and I could not be happier. Trabant posted:You need to give us examples of what makes it unusable, because you're either doing some horribly esoteric things or... I don't even know. Not that good at computers? Back when I still had 10 copying too many files from one drive to another would hard lock the machine. On my friend’s laptop ejecting a USB drive freezes explorer. There’s lots more examples I can’t think of off the top of my head, at some point when every single thing you do is hampered by the OS you stop taking notes.
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Mar 28, 2019 17:47
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A wireless Logitech mouse would interrupt data transfer from a USB HDD dock on my current Windows 10 system. Of course with Linux it wouldn't do that because in Linux, peripherals work much the same as sound. e: I'm aware that on an IBM PC compatible system, any sound beyond the beeper is a peripheral.
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Mar 28, 2019 17:48
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I have only ever had Windows 10 crash if an old crappy Steam game goes rogue and blanks the screen AND I cannot even keyboard hotkey my way blind to Task Manager to fix the problem, personally. And I agree some of the settings are hidden, probably on purpose. But while maybe my computer needs are just that of a simple caveman, given I never have any problems when I just play games, use my HTC Vive, use Office, and Surff Intornettto with a side of using Foobar2000 and IrfanView, Windows 10 is the most chill OSBro I have ever had really
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Mar 28, 2019 17:49
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Dr. Quarex posted:I have only ever had Windows 10 crash if an old crappy Steam game goes rogue and blanks the screen AND I cannot even keyboard hotkey my way blind to Task Manager to fix the problem, personally. And I agree some of the settings are hidden, probably on purpose. But while maybe my computer needs are just that of a simple caveman, given I never have any problems when I just play games, use my HTC Vive, use Office, and Surff Intornettto with a side of using Foobar2000 and IrfanView, Windows 10 is the most chill OSBro I have ever had really Ctrl+Shift+Win+B usually helps with those black screens. I like crappy old games, and can remember this combination better than the steps to blindly launch Task Manager.
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Mar 28, 2019 17:59
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Someone who describes Linux as having, "waiting arms" should not be listened to.Hogo Fogo posted:Ctrl+Shift+Win+B usually helps with those black screens. I like crappy old games, and can remember this combination better than the steps to blindly launch Task Manager. Ctrl+Shift+Esc is my go to. Launches task manager, and does the halt that can sometimes stop a naughty program.
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Mar 28, 2019 18:01
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Worst version of Windows for me was 3.11 for Workgroups. Running any version of Netscape after 3.0 would cause the HP Deskjet printer driver to stop working. It would also have some pretty spectacular graphical corruption and crashes while playing games.
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Mar 28, 2019 18:02
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FilthyImp posted:This is a good example of something I overlooked. On the one hand, the new "settings" section is pretty awful. OTOH to get the old control panel type "Win, C O N, Return", which isn't exactly hard.
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Mar 28, 2019 18:09
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Windows 10 is a perfectly usable operating system and definitely a step forward from 7. My 2012 Thinkbook runs 10 without any hitches and it's pretty good, definitely on par with anything else. Every update makes it better. The tracking stuff can be blocked.
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Mar 28, 2019 18:20
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The_White_Crane posted:OTOH to get the old control panel type "Win, C O N, Return", which isn't exactly hard. Which is just kind of, weird to me. Especially since they kept Right-Click+WinIcon but it directs to BadNewPanels
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Mar 28, 2019 18:25
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Queen Combat posted:Someone who describes Linux as having, "waiting arms" should not be listened to. 
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Mar 28, 2019 18:34
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I get the gripe about windows 10 settings, as its stradding the line between an OSX-like control panel and the old XP/Vista/7 control pane. I find that between hitting the start key and just typing what I want, or right clicking on the start menu and picking the big hitters, I get where I need to go pretty fast
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Mar 28, 2019 18:53
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barbecue at the folks posted:The tracking stuff can be blocked. All of it, now? With a special tool, or in Windows settings?
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Mar 28, 2019 19:04
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Mar 28, 2019 19:06
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