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How do people get so unreasonably attached to an OS? I use Windows 7 (both 32 and 64-bit), Windows 8, Windows 10, and multiple Linux flavors on physical and virtual machines at home and at work day in and day out. They all get used for a certain purpose and nothing really gets in my way. Simple network stuff is no harder on 7 than on 10 or on Linux imho.  I've been using Mint and Ubuntu at home for the past four years but not because I'm some crazy Linux advocate. I need to do a lot of development and testing work in a modern Linux system, so that's what I'm using.
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TotalLossBrain posted:How do people get so unreasonably attached to an OS? I believe it's a holdover from the good old days when teenage nerds like us could define their entire identity through the OS they used. Micro$oft Winblows, am I right? 
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Mar 28, 2019 19:22
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Folks forging personal preferences or consumer choices into their identities ain't never going away
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Mar 28, 2019 19:25
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I wish it was still reasonable to use OS/2. I guess it would be OS/3 by now.
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Mar 28, 2019 19:29
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I wish BeOS survived.
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Mar 28, 2019 19:30
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FilthyImp posted:They changed it (right-click Windows icon in task bar, select control panels from popup) for some reason and I don't remember finding a reference to the old panels when I started up. This pissed me off when control panel was removed from the right click menu. Why? It was so useful. Windows 10 does seem a little half baked with some of the settings in new panels taking you to the old panels. I still like it better than 7. 7 was great but it got old and I like the new thing.
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Mar 28, 2019 19:37
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The Fool posted:I wish BeOS survived. gently caress but it was responsive. Which is unsurprising since that's exactly what it was meant to be.
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Mar 28, 2019 19:37
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TotalLossBrain posted:How do people get so unreasonably attached to an OS? This place literally has a YOSPOS subforum.
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Mar 28, 2019 19:48
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Excellent point. Please do carry on.
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Mar 28, 2019 19:53
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The Fool posted:I wish BeOS survived. I ran BeOS as my primary OS for much of my sophomore year of college. I just switched over to Windows when I had to write a report or game. I was in the dorms and got a letter at one point to call one of the offices because they thought my PC might have a virus or be hacked or something like that. I called in and explained that I'm running BeOS and would be very surprised if I had a virus. The guy who took the call apparently ran BeOS himself at some point and told me not to worry. My only guess at the time was they thought something weird was going on due to DCC connections from IRC or something. I don't think it was Napster related because they were calling that out directly and name and shaming people on bulletin boards in the dorms.
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Mar 28, 2019 20:28
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Jerry Cotton posted:I wish it was still reasonable to use OS/2. I guess it would be OS/3 by now. Nah, it's eComStation today, and you can still get it.
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Mar 28, 2019 20:59
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klafbang posted:Nah, it's eComStation today, and you can still get it. Yeah but it's expensiver.
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Mar 28, 2019 21:03
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barbecue at the folks posted:I believe it's a holdover from the good old days when teenage nerds like us could define their entire identity through the OS they used. Micro$oft Winblows, am I right? I think you mean MiKKKro$haft The Fool posted:I wish BeOS survived. BeOS was really, really good. I wish it were mroe than a pet project these days 
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Mar 28, 2019 21:07
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Is MenuetOS still around?
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Mar 28, 2019 21:08
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:BeOS was really, really good. I wish it were mroe than a pet project these days There's always Haiku. (Unless that's already the pet project you're talking about, of course.) https://www.haiku-os.org/
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Mar 28, 2019 21:12
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klafbang posted:Nah, it's eComStation today, and you can still get it. IMO, I would skip eComStation at this point, it's rarely touched anymore as far as I know. ArcaOS is pushed somewhat regular updates.
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Mar 28, 2019 21:16
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The Fool posted:I wish BeOS survived. I used it as my primary OS for quite some time after the x86 release. Eventually the lack of a modern internet browser started to become a problem.
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Mar 28, 2019 21:38
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Powered Descent posted:There's always Haiku. (Unless that's already the pet project you're talking about, of course.) It is, but I was reading and realized haiku had a recent release. The first one since like 2012, so that’s something
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Mar 28, 2019 22:04
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:It is, but I was reading and realized haiku had a recent release. The first one since like 2012, so that’s something to be fair, they've been actively working on it from Alpha to Beta, it was more of a "when it's ready" when it came to promoting a new "full-featured" release.
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Mar 28, 2019 22:08
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I only use templeOS because I refuse to have anything that can connect to the internet.
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Mar 28, 2019 22:50
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Jerry Cotton posted:Is MenuetOS still around? I think it is. I remember searching for it a while ago and it was still up. I remember hearing about an OS that fits on one floppy and quickly downloaded it, looked around for a few minutes and then went back to windows.
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Mar 29, 2019 00:40
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Hogo Fogo posted:Ctrl+Shift+Win+B usually helps with those black screens. I like crappy old games, and can remember this combination better than the steps to blindly launch Task Manager.
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Mar 29, 2019 01:01
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I think the problem I had with Windows 10 was thinking that I had any control over it like previous Windows versions. Trying to fight against it so it wouldn't install updates at times I didn't want or send information I don't want to Microsoft was just frustrating when you had to go and re-read about how to do this whenever there was a major update. I'm just starting to use it again on another machine and I've given up, they can have all my data, because in this case it belongs to my work anyway!
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Mar 29, 2019 01:01
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Its crazy how fast this stuff changes. A decade ago I would never have recommended anyone buy a non-mac laptop. The clunky, bad PC designs combined with the death throes of Vista were just horrible. honestly for my parents and other older relatives who just use the internet to check email, use google docs, and watch netflix/youtube/etc. I wholeheartedly recommend a Chromebook. The things are drat cheap, and hard for a computer illiterate person to gently caress up.
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Mar 29, 2019 02:26
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TotalLossBrain posted:How do people get so unreasonably attached to an OS? Win10, for all its convenience, also feels like an OS that MS is allowing you to use. It's like that Kanye album that can change from day to day because I mean, hell, I'll cry a nostalgia tear for System 7.1 because I remember using HexEdit or whatever to poke around the system and just generally learning how to be Computer Literate.
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Mar 29, 2019 03:04
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Chairman Mao posted:You're the first person I've ever encountered who hasn't hated the windows 10 experience so I guess there's a lot of us living on the edge. I have no clue what you could even have so much of a problem with. It basically runs like a regular Windows to me I mean I do wish I could stick with a slightly-upgraded version of Windows 7 but I don't feel that strongly against Windows 10
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Mar 29, 2019 03:15
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TotalLossBrain posted:How do people get so unreasonably attached to an OS? Because as an example, they get used to a system like Win7, then MS comes out & turns everything on its head with Win8 using all the touchscreen-based "tiles" that aren't intuitive for someone using a regular desktop or laptop. I've worked DOS all the way up to Win10 & while it can be tricky to learn where new stuff is located, it usually doesn't bother me - but I'm not the average Joe Consumer buying a $500 off the shelf laptop, I'm in IT & learning these new things is all part of my job. The majority of users that had complaints were ones that weren't well seasoned in using or troubleshooting their own stuff, so it's a giant pain in the rear end to have to trouble someone else to fix something you're not familiar with.
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Mar 29, 2019 03:43
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BOOTY-ADE posted:but I'm not the average Joe Consumer Thank you, that's the part I wasn't thinking about. Putting it in terms of my M-I-L dealing with her poo poo Best-Buy laptop, I guess I get it.
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Mar 29, 2019 04:05
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I had a distant older cousin on the development team for OS/2. I would best describe his opinion of Microsoft as "acrimonious" .
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Mar 29, 2019 06:21
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rndmnmbr posted:I had a distant older cousin on the development team for OS/2. I would best describe his opinion of Microsoft as "acrimonious" . I was at Microsoft at the time. My first day or a few days later was when Windows for Workgroups 3.11 was released. March 30 1992 was my first day I was what’s now a UX designer but at the time my job title was Associate Graphic Designer. The next year we were Visual Interface Designers, then around 1995 we were Product Designers Yeah there were a lot of acquisitions and deals going on at the time - and concurrent development like OS/2. Tech relic contribution: my hardware to do my job was a 386 and a Mac IICX. We used Studio 32 for the Mac by Electronic Arts to do our mockups I guess because Photoshop was too expensive. Also we were limited to a the 16 color Windows palette and a 640x480 desktop as the baseline for until 1996 or so
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Well frankly, based on some of the things he told me, plus what I've read, Microsoft did the right thing in dropping OS/2 in favor of NT. There was just no way IBM and it's programmer culture at the time could have kept up with the exploding PC development. But boy he was salty that MS didn't embrace Big Blue as the one true path of software development. Although what got him even saltier was IBM eventually giving up on OS/2 and laying off most of the development team in the late 90's, him included. rndmnmbr has a new favorite as of 08:56 on Mar 29, 2019 |
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Mar 29, 2019 08:54
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rndmnmbr posted:Well frankly, based on some of the things he told me, plus what I've read, Microsoft did the right thing in dropping OS/2 in favor of NT. There was just no way IBM and it's programmer culture at the time could have kept up with the exploding PC development.
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Mar 29, 2019 09:00
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The Kins posted:This seems to be the common consensus. IBM just wasn't ready to deal with the home user crowd. I recall one anecdote about how IBM's tech support was well equipped to provide support to Fortune 500 corporate colossi, but they were caught flat-footed by people wanting to get sound working in Doom 2... Warp 4 came with optimized configuration files for all the most popular DOS games which was nice. Although I'd never had any trouble with Doom in Warp 3 either. My memories of pre-Warp OS/2 are hazy at best but I don't think I played any games on it.
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Mar 29, 2019 09:19
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Lolling hard at the control panels in Windows 10 being considered so confusing that the ones in XP or 7 are thought of as a logical and familiar golden age Five hundred uncategorized items with names like "Mysterious Widgets & Creeping Features" Where do I go for *checks notes* "Set Program Access And Defaults" now
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Mar 29, 2019 13:05
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My only big annoyance is that it gets harder and harder to set a static IP. Or has that made it into Settings now? (At some point I should learn how to do that from powershell.)
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Mar 29, 2019 17:04
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Double Punctuation posted:I remember back then, you could hex edit Explorer.exe to change the text on the Start Button. Remember whe n you could remap windows to what explorer.exe was? Talisman FTW
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Mar 29, 2019 17:16
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Data Graham posted:Lolling hard at the control panels in Windows 10 being considered so confusing that the ones in XP or 7 are thought of as a logical and familiar golden age I don't bother actually looking for anything anymore, both settings and control panel have perfectly usable search boxes. Computer viking posted:My only big annoyance is that it gets harder and harder to set a static IP. Or has that made it into Settings now? (At some point I should learn how to do that from powershell.) There is a "Change adapter options" item in the Network & Internet Settings, but that literally just opens the same Network Connections window that has been around since 2000.
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Mar 29, 2019 17:17
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Humphreys posted:Remember whe n you could remap windows to what explorer.exe was? Talisman FTW Litestep was obviously superior.
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Mar 29, 2019 17:18
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The Fool posted:Litestep was obviously superior. God dammit! That was the one! Totally amazing considering I had a Pentium 75 with 16(?)MB RAM at the time. It was my parents computer and I asked one day 'wouldn't it be cool if we had a tower that was black instead of beige?' The 'yeah it would be neat' = me spray painting it after school. Note this computer was their whole construction company in a box.
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My favorite part of OS/2 history is that IBM had fully committed to the name Warp because of the association of warp speed = fast. Then, VERY late in the game, someone realized that "warp speed", while part of the culture, was also part of the intellectual property of Star Trek and so they couldn't just use it in an ad campaign without Paramount Pictures giving their okay. And Paramount was not willing to do so, at least not without being paid boatloads of money first. So IBM was stuck -- they could still use the term "warp" since it's a common English word, but any references to spaceships or speed or faster-than-light would result in instant lawsuits, and were off-limits. So they ended up with the wavy, "warped" logo. They really had no other way to go.
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