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You definitely see Red talking in the final monologue while she’s cutting the paper people. I remember liking the shot where she’s out of focus in the front right of the frame while Adelaide is in focus listening to her in the back left.
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Pirate Jet posted:You definitely see Red talking in the final monologue while she’s cutting the paper people. I remember liking the shot where she’s out of focus in the front right of the frame while Adelaide is in focus listening to her in the back left. iirc they're actually both in focus! it's a technique called split diopter and i thought it was also very cool  it's weird - despite not loving the movie, i feel the need to see it again.
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Mar 28, 2019 18:03
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i wouldn't be surprised if the reveal was originally just the first bit of flashback (since you get it with that) and it was expanded because peele - probably rightly - feared that a lot of audiences wouldn't get it without it fully laid out.
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Mar 28, 2019 18:05
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Thom and the Heads posted:iirc they're actually both in focus! it's a technique called split diopter and i thought it was also very cool Right, right. I’m just hazy on the details because it’s been a week since I’ve seen it now. I do want to see it again but I’m not sure I can justify the price of a ticket.
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Mar 28, 2019 18:18
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Thom and the Heads posted:iirc they're actually both in focus! it's a technique called split diopter and i thought it was also very cool Split focus is a classic film technique and it's almost always used for tension, because it conveys emotion of one subject while displays the actions of another (often as a juxtaposition).
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Mar 28, 2019 18:23
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Typical Pubbie posted:It's a terrible metaphor. Poor people aren't cultureless psychopaths, they aren't kept secret from the rest of society, and they weren't created by a government black op. I liked the movie but that poo poo was bad and dumb. Poor people also struggle to get basic necessities like clothing or medicine, rather than having them appear like magic.
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Mar 28, 2019 18:46
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Pirate Jet posted:You definitely see Red talking in the final monologue while she’s cutting the paper people. I remember liking the shot where she’s out of focus in the front right of the frame while Adelaide is in focus listening to her in the back left. My favorite shot of the film, IMO.
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Mar 28, 2019 19:15
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Groovelord Neato posted:did you forget what happened in that scene or? What are you talking about specifically?
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Mar 28, 2019 19:15
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Typical Pubbie posted:What are you talking about specifically? i said he did it to walk jason into a trap. your response is then "he did it for no reason?". you appear to have forgotten that it allowed red to grab jason.
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Mar 28, 2019 19:22
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Typical Pubbie posted:What are you talking about specifically? Him walking back allows Red to snatch him up really easily because she's hiding behind some cars. So the theory would be that Pluto is sacrificing himself to draw Jason away from his family.
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Mar 28, 2019 19:24
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OK, maybe my weird editing theory is wrong, but I do feel like something was probably changed about the reveal.
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Mar 28, 2019 19:43
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SurgicalOntologist posted:OK, maybe my weird editing theory is wrong, but I do feel like something was probably changed about the reveal. FWIW I thought the editing in that sequence was sketchy as well.
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Mar 28, 2019 20:08
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How Darwinian posted:Honestly, I think it's a bad movie, and I think a lot of people are thinking themselves in circles to maintain their initial hope that it would be good. Except for the fact she doesn't save them. You can see holes in the "Hands Across America" at the end, police/army are shutting that poo poo down. Sure they killed a bunch of people, but they aren't going to accomplish anything close to a revolution. All of this is for her getting revenge on Adelaide. Also I didn't notice this the first time but when Umbra gets hit by the car, Adelaide tries to comfort her by whistling and isn't very good at it: Red's the one who knows how to whistle from the intro! Bellmaker fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Mar 28, 2019 |
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Mar 28, 2019 20:45
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Two questions: 1. Was that actually the theme song for Hands Across America? I'm old enough to remember hearing about it happening, but no real details. 2. Am I crazy or was the melody used for the "Coming Soon on VHS" segments of tapes?
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Phy posted:1. Was that actually the theme song for Hands Across America? I'm old enough to remember hearing about it happening, but no real details. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZorfXa5pBc
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Mar 28, 2019 22:29
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How Darwinian posted:Honestly, I think it's a bad movie, and I think a lot of people are thinking themselves in circles to maintain their initial hope that it would be good. lol this post is peak CinemaD
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Mar 28, 2019 23:19
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I'm entirely cool with the movie following dream logic, as the emotional punches are hefty. Moreso than a lot of horror films I've seen, the pure horror and evil of the last act just gave me a terror I haven't shaken hours after seeing the film. I had just discovered that song they use in the ending scene *two* days in a completely unrelated way, and have been binging on it since. That doesn't mean anything, but after seeing a movie where coincidences are a precursor to the attack...
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Maxwell Lord posted:This just guts the entire thing though, because the idea is, this is something that society made. This is a thing that we, as a country, did that we're getting punished for. We created an underclass, imprisoned and abandoned them, and now they're getting back at us. Space Cadet Omoly posted:Yeah, that makes sense. The one problem with that is that the double meaning is so vague it could be applied in almost any direction: on the one hand the "other" in this movie is actively trying to kill people, but then again the "other" is only trying to do so because they've been intentionally neglected by those same people and put into a terrible situation by forces beyond their control. Although, I guess the ambiguity is the point and it's meant to make you think and the reason I've been seeing so many interpretations is because it can be taken so many different ways. I think it's important to nail down specifically whether Hands Across America symbolically represents an insidious late-stage boomer American Exceptionalism or some kind of well-meaning but short sighted stab at Social Welfare mindset. I'm inclined to think the former because it's a Reagan era phenomenon. The context of the color red in both cases couldn't be more dissimilar. And yet the film seems a little ambivalent about calling out its predilections, whereas Nicholas Cage in Mandy very clearly looked upon the 'Moral Majority' facade of the Reagan administration as an extension of Born Again Christian warmongering and entrenched perversion in the dominant political culture. Also, lol, the police never show up.
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:I think it's important to nail down specifically whether Hands Across America symbolically represents an insidious late-stage boomer American Exceptionalism or some kind of well-meaning but short sighted stab at Social Welfare mindset. I'm inclined to think the former because it's a Reagan era phenomenon. The context of the color red in both cases couldn't be more dissimilar. And yet the film seems a little ambivalent about calling out its predilections, whereas Nicholas Cage in Mandy very clearly looked upon the 'Moral Majority' facade of the Reagan administration as an extension of Born Again Christian warmongering and entrenched perversion in the dominant political culture. After seeing the dumbass quotes by Boomers in the video linked above it is most definitely the former.
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:. In Us or Mandy? Because they definitely show up in Us.... ...dead!
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Had high hopes for this after Get Out, but left thinking that was the dumbest premise for a movie I had seen in theatres since Lady in the Water. The acting and editing were great, and I'm all for eat the rich metaphors, but my god it was laughably bad.
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it's in the trailer.
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Groovelord Neato posted:it's in the trailer. I had not seen the trailers just in case...guess it was a good idea for this one as it was for Get Out 
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Mar 29, 2019 17:41
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Bellmaker posted:After seeing the dumbass quotes by Boomers in the video linked above it is most definitely the former. I definitely get that, though, since The Tethered obviously also represent a certain vision of poverty and disenfranchisement, the film is not exactly going out of its way to be clear about some of the more insidious aspects of that whole 'Hands' social phenomenon, which was ostensibly a charity campaign against poverty (that I guess was both coopted by capitalist middlemen and was a bit of windowdressing to begin with, though maybe best of intentions for some). Apologies, I was only 3 at the time so I can't really comment from personal experience, but I imagine there are a ton of people out there that could misunderstand the implications of its use in contemporary allegory. The problem as I see it lies in the fact that the film, which might jokingly be described as a 'red scare', is using archival imagery in a detatched, semi ambiguous or non-committal way...precisely at the moment that many people in America are striving to politically reignite the social contract in opposition to rather horrifying economic and social hardships, but also in opposition to proclamations from POTUS about how we'll 'never be a socialist country.' It just seems kind of careless of Peele to employ politically loaded imagery in such a fashion without being a bit more focused on what he wants to say to an audience. This, and the fact that the twist muddles things further, makes the film a beautifully shot, but rather schizophrenic grab bag of pop-cult signifiers. If someone were describing America itself as a schizophrenic grab bag I wouldn't exactly disagree, but if the goal is to make a competent film...I dunno...
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It's weird that I like so much about this movie but overall I just thought it was OK. I like most of the individual scenes but I only kind of like the finished result after they're all put together. I liked the humor in it but also think the humor undercut what should've been an incredibly tense and horrific experience. It only kinda works as a horror movie for me because the villains feel toothless until you encounter Tim and Elizabeth's doubles who immediately establish that they are trouble. Yeah, Gabe's double knocks him out and seems like he's going to kill him but him not being brained by the baseball bat kinda gives the impression that Gabe is going to make it through. Symbolically, I think it's vague enough that there'll be a lot of different interpretations of it. I like that it isn't hammering a point home, but I think it's open enough that it left me kind of unsatisfied. I think a bit less of the how of what's happening is happening and more of the why would make for a better movie overall. Then again, maybe leaving the why of it more open is a commentary on how senseless tragedies occur in modern America and many don't have a definitive motive. Message! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o7V1f7lbk4
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Jolo posted:It's weird that I like so much about this movie but overall I just thought it was OK. I like most of the individual scenes but I only kind of like the finished result after they're all put together. I liked the humor in it but also think the humor undercut what should've been an incredibly tense and horrific experience. It only kinda works as a horror movie for me because the villains feel toothless until you encounter Tim and Elizabeth's doubles who immediately establish that they are trouble. Yeah, Gabe's double knocks him out and seems like he's going to kill him but him not being brained by the baseball bat kinda gives the impression that Gabe is going to make it through. I don't think I was ever convinced that any of the main family members could be killed.
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pospysyl posted:I don't think I was ever convinced that any of the main family members could be killed. I felt like the dad was in danger when his double first dragged him out of the house
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Pharmaskittle posted:I felt like the dad was in danger when his double first dragged him out of the house Yeah, same. Up until Gabe was brought on the boat still alive I thought he could bite it anytime.
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That Italian Guy posted:Maybe put the spoilery video still image behind spoiler tags? I feel like anyone clicking into page Eleven of the thread only about this movie has probably already seen it and doesn't need a spoiler warning. If this was the general horror thread sure.
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LesterGroans posted:Yeah, same. Up until Gabe was brought on the boat still alive I thought he could bite it anytime. i 100 percent thought he was gonna die.
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the last signal... posted:Had high hopes for this after Get Out, but left thinking that was the dumbest premise for a movie I had seen in theatres since Lady in the Water. I liked this movie very much I also liked Lady in the Water very much ...are we enemies now
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Adlai Stevenson posted:I liked this movie very much You liked Lady in the Water? Well poo poo, now you're MY enemy.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:You liked Lady in the Water? flagpole at 3 o'clock a week's supply of Lunchables on the line
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Quoting my thoughts from elsewhere before I finish catching up to the topic, so this isn't a direct response to anyone here just yet. People keep saying that the clones are 'soulless', but that's not what the movie said. They're two bodies sharing one soul. My take is that it's simply a matter of circumstance. Either 'clone' or 'original' (which are meaningless distinctions given that there is at least one generation of Tethered that was born and not simply cloned) could be the Tethered. It's the circumstances that leave them empty enough to be puppeted. It's why the Tethered could act independently once they set out to murder their dopplegangers. They had purpose and drive and that's all they needed in the first place, but had nothing to give it to them. Once Adelaide wound up underground she lost her drive and was able to be puppeted like the rest of the Tethered, until she started plotting their revenge. --- Carrying on from my last bit of analysis, I'd like to point out that the thing that gives the Tethered the push needed for them to find agency is a shared culture that Red introduced to them. Sure, it's made up of drips and drabs of half-remebered pop culture, but it's theirs. Not something they're pantomiming from the people above, but something that came from thwir own. That's theirs. Their own contribution to the soul they share with their overworld duplicate.
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Serious Party Gods posted:After having some "soak time": The attendant at the booth where Adelaide's dad won the Thriller shirt is wearing one of the Black Flag T-shirts featured in the film - That particular shirt (the light blue one) is from the "My War" album. I'm glad someone else caught that. Do you guys think the classical song they intermittently used was an Akira shotuout, given the plot of Akira also involves weird experiments and a character getting revenge on people for fuckery perpetrated by the government?
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How Darwinian posted:Honestly, I think it's a bad movie, and I think a lot of people are thinking themselves in circles to maintain their initial hope that it would be good. Seeing people genuinely enjoying something and having to pretend they are being disingenuous makes you seem kind of small. Maybe we just liked it and that's just fine and you didn't and that's fine too. You don't have to become a conspiracy theorist to justify yourself.
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Things are sometimes metaphorical on a large/idea scale and sometimes literal and that doesn't make the movie worse. Not all things are a 1 to 1 mapping (reference not intended). Seeing a lot of people talk about 'dream logic' but the use of 'once upon a time' means that 'fairy tale logic' is more appropriate. How does a given thing work? That's not important, just like it wouldn't be in a fairytale. We don't question how mermaids gently caress and that applies here too.
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Had a few days to sit with the movie and there are few images that are still stuck with me. The slow zoom out of the caged rabbits as 'Anthem' plays. The split focus shot of Ade/Red during Red's monologue. The closeup of the stick figure family holding hands on the car windshield. The overhead shot, i think, of Trench coat guy with arms outstretched on the beach. The final shot of hands across america through the countryside with helicopters overhead. I don't know that I particularly like the movie but it was mostly visually arresting and Lupita Nyong'o is a freaking powerhouse actress. Also "Anthem" is an insanely good piece of music.
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