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Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Aeolius posted:

pretty hosed up how Taraki went out, too. like i said, it's a complicated situation. but then again i dunno; maybe you would have done better than they did.

either way, i think there's ample evidence by now to render problematic the view of soviet actions as some kind of cynical power grab by an archetype rather than informed by context & history. it's thin broth at best, though you can surely thicken it up. for example: "used it as an excuse to betray" — flesh this out. the soviets were an argumentative lot; maybe there's some document showing the leadership going back and forth over when best to spring their trap and carry out their colonial enterprise? that'd interest me.
What does it matter when the end result is if you don't follow Moscow party line and try to build independent socialism you get knocked off? Would you be anymore comfortable with CIA couping Allende if I showed you there were some US government guys who thought it was a bad idea and wanted to wait it out? Of course not!

Also this is some tap brain level poo poo here:

*CIA can't assassinate Socialist leader*

*If we assassinate him first!*

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Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer
I wonder how long Typo can gimmick post before he becomes unironically a Maoist.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
permabanned poster kmtstomper58

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

Typo posted:

What does it matter when the end result is if you don't follow Moscow party line and try to build independent socialism you get knocked off?

What happens if you don't follow the Beijing party line and try to build independent socialism (in China)?

tino
Jun 4, 2018

by Smythe
Does Typo tank for all communist parties or just CCP? What's Typo's stand on Sino-Soviet border conflict?

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

tino posted:

Does Typo tank for all communist parties or just CCP? What's Typo's stand on Sino-Soviet border conflict?

I've literally stated my opinion in the last page

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

florida lan posted:

What happens if you don't follow the Beijing party line and try to build independent socialism (in China)?

It's not really needed as the party already upholds socialist values and protects the interests of chinese working class

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

florida lan posted:

What happens if you don't follow the Beijing party line and try to build independent socialism?

they cut you off

tino
Jun 4, 2018

by Smythe

Typo posted:

I've literally stated my opinion in the last page

What the example you mentioned was a communist party/leader trying to be hypocrite and imperialist. What I asked was where your royalty lies during state to state conflict when no one is on moral high ground.

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

tino posted:

What the example you mentioned was a communist party/leader trying to be hypocrite and imperialist. What I asked was where your royalty lies during state to state conflict when no one is on moral high ground.

When nobody has the moral high ground, then obviously nobody, but during the Sino-Soviet border clashes, the PRC was responding to Soviet aggression and thus held the moral high ground.

The Soviet Union of the Brezhnev era was at best revisionist and at worst not even a Socialist state anymore but rather a Social Imperialist state. USSR should stand for "Union of So-called Socialist Republics".

It had 40 million men under arms, gigantic Military-industrial complex, and was on a quest of world domination. Vietnam was "mini-USSR" in SE Asia and were attempting SE Asian hegemony.They were most serious threat to world peace since Hitler and Fascist Japan. Deng and Mao rightfully understood that the only thing standing in the way of USSR was their still relative backwards in technological terms. They rightfully condemned "detente" as appeasement which was allowing the Soviets to advance their technology and start new wars of aggression. As they did eventually against Afghanistan just as they did against China and Czechslovakia.

Typo has issued a correction as of 05:59 on Apr 1, 2019

tino
Jun 4, 2018

by Smythe
Alright. Interesting.

Aeolius
Jul 16, 2003

Simon Templeman Fanclub

Typo posted:

Would you be anymore comfortable with CIA couping Allende if I showed you there were some US government guys who thought it was a bad idea and wanted to wait it out?

the hypothetical argument i mentioned wasn't the point; that was just me making a suggestion of one of a number of kinds of thing you might hunt for to substantiate your claims, which i presently bill as "interesting, but probably wrong"

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Lightning Knight posted:

I wonder how long Typo can gimmick post before he becomes unironically a Maoist.

Might have already happened?

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

GreyjoyBastard posted:

Might have already happened?

idk but Typo’s gimmick itt is unironically some of the funniest poo poo.

tino
Jun 4, 2018

by Smythe
Typo is the undercover who married and had a kid under his cover and killed a cop or two and decided to stay behind.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Marxist-Jezzinist posted:

you thought "many people have the same criticisms of leninism" was an own

no, just people like you who don't actually make arguments, you just vaguely gesture at a Bad Thing and rely on accumulated anti-communist ideology to do the hard work for you.

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

typo and r guyovich among other internet leftist have already peer pressured me into becoming a xi supporter

its not so bad. the prc does bad things but they're the best hope for mankind, and also they have trains

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Lightning Knight posted:

idk but Typo’s gimmick itt is unironically some of the funniest poo poo.

I've learned a few new things about Chinese history from him here and there

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
looks like the blade runner future is here, kinda cool

https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1110551894961709056

e: this whole thread showing the development of chongqing is neat

https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1081216694746370050

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
feels bad to live in a place thats actively cutting public transit and other services while china pours money into transit and infrastructure lol

Bulgakov
Mar 8, 2009


рукописи не горят

it must be renders because building anything is impossibel!

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties
.

sincx has issued a correction as of 05:28 on Mar 23, 2021

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

sincx posted:

Still waiting for China to collapse. The English teachers in GBS keep saying it'll happen any day now.

it will

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties
.

sincx has issued a correction as of 05:28 on Mar 23, 2021

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

sincx posted:

If you're so sure, define collapse, set a time frame, and Toxx on it.

:toxx: 10% or worse recession in terms of freight volume by june 15 2020

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
In stock it will be a turbo nut beating until the party steps in and bails out the rich

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties
.

sincx has issued a correction as of 05:28 on Mar 23, 2021

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

sincx is rooting for a total collapse of the chinese state

hosed up thing to admit on these forums

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

sincx posted:

Wow, defining "collapse" as a "10% reduction."

Even for loser-back-home expat standards that's an amazing example of moving the goalposts.

That's freight. I'm saying about a 2008 in America sized recession in China. Seems like a decently sized one

Stocks will go down like 40% or some poo poo but they do that anyways in China

The actual 2008 global fuckery almost stopped chinese growth and imploded it and like weeks later there was a separatist uprising that almost required the regular army, so i expect there to be several running small civil wars by like 2025. No toxx on that one tho, might be a large single civil war

bob dobbs is dead has issued a correction as of 04:56 on Mar 30, 2019

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

sincx posted:

If you're so sure, define collapse, set a time frame, and Toxx on it.

nah toxxes are dumb

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.
China's going to collapse but not before Jesus returns to rapture the Jehovah's Witnesses

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Jesus already returned, his name was Hong Xiuquan.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Mantis42 posted:

Jesus already returned, his name was Hong Xiuquan.

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
china has the ability to internally produce a lot of stuff (dunno about food tho) so if number go down they can still provide for people via central planning, now the west? uhhh not so much. will be interesting to see how china deals with the western economy imploding again in a few years lol

tino
Jun 4, 2018

by Smythe

mila kunis posted:

looks like the blade runner future is here, kinda cool

https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1110551894961709056

e: this whole thread showing the development of chongqing is neat

https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1081216694746370050

Love this Netflix show



Also loved Instagram beta from the 80s
It took Colecovision 8 hours to apply a filter.

frankenfreak
Feb 16, 2007

I SCORED 85% ON A QUIZ ABOUT MONDAY NIGHT RAW AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY TEXT

#bastionboogerbrigade

bob dobbs is dead posted:

I'm saying about a 2008 in America sized recession in China.
Ah, yes, I remember the total collapse of the American system back then, too.

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь

R. Guyovich posted:

no, just people like you who don't actually make arguments, you just vaguely gesture at a Bad Thing and rely on accumulated anti-communist ideology to do the hard work for you.

im less anticommunist than someone who believes in vast state structures controlled by cliques of bourgeois failsons claiming to be the representatives of the working class

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Marxist-Jezzinist posted:

im less anticommunist than someone who believes in vast state structures controlled by cliques of bourgeois failsons claiming to be the representatives of the working class

But Enough About the Labour Party.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

frankenfreak posted:

Ah, yes, I remember the total collapse of the American system back then, too.

I'm not actually the peep that the original person asking for a toxx was responding to

My opinion is just hard times and civil war that they won't call civil war, not total collapse. Could have nuclear civil war, tho, that would probably do a total collapse

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ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь

R. Guyovich posted:

But Enough About the Labour Party.

True, Labour has always been very bad for this.
Not a member of the labour party btw

E: although Labour's some of Labour's bourg politicians were successful rather than failsons, and some have been literal aristocrats rather than bourg

ContinuityNewTimes has issued a correction as of 14:41 on Mar 30, 2019

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