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Bloody posted:prime video. sounder & link are both viable options, but its still like a lot of time spent commuting fwiw I got the impression that Prime Video was one of the better teams to work on, compared to AWS or all the Alexa fart huffing going on.
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Bloody posted:I think I'm gonna not work at Amazon You have enough experience at this point where listening to your gut is probably the right move.
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anyone gone from IC -> management? thoughts? if my career goals include 'not being an IC forever' is it a worthwhile thing to pursue?
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uncurable mlady posted:anyone gone from IC -> management? thoughts? if my career goals include 'not being an IC forever' is it a worthwhile thing to pursue? If you enjoy listening to people's problems, mentoring reports and continually monitoring their performance, having the ability to actually drive direction in the business, and also do not mind replacing programming time with "being in meetings a lot" time, sure why not. Just be careful how close to the sun you fly, if you actually like programming then you might not like moving up to Manager of Managers role.
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qhat posted:If you enjoy listening to people's problems, mentoring reports and continually monitoring their performance, having the ability to actually drive direction in the business, and also do not mind replacing programming time with "being in meetings a lot" time, sure why not. Just be careful how close to the sun you fly, if you actually like programming then you might not like moving up to Manager of Managers role. This fucks with me because I'm a really social person who understands how companies work and wants to help people but I also really enjoy my current job. I can tell management has noticed and is starting to groom me and idk how it's gonna shake out Prob the same way that I got into thisin the first place. 'Well I'm good at it and wanna stack figgies so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯'
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uncurable mlady posted:anyone gone from IC -> management? thoughts? if my career goals include 'not being an IC forever' is it a worthwhile thing to pursue? if your career goal is to not be an individual contributor, i think you kinda figured this out for yourself
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Rex-Goliath posted:This fucks with me because I'm a really social person who understands how companies work and wants to help people but I also really enjoy my current job. I can tell management has noticed and is starting to groom me and idk how it's gonna shake out That's why I'm not sure I want to move above a tech lead role, I like programming and I like managing in equal parts, but to do either one exclusively for the rest of my career would probably not satisfy me enough.
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as a note of caution, if you make the jump from ic to management make sure that your company has a support structure in place for new managers and that you have a boss who will support and guide you i made an internal jump at the end of 2017 to manage a new infrastructure security engineering team because i was confident that it was the next step in my career. a month later my director quit. i spent almost a year reporting directly to the chief product officer which was great in terms of exposure and being on the inside but really lovely in terms of having an advocate in the business for security. i was isolated and frustrated and i spent a year banging my head against a wall trying to get my team to accomplish anything. in my frustration, i turned back to writing code and delegated some of my other duties which weren't done. doing a combined manager, team lead, project manager, and program manager role kept me working late hours and amped up my stress until i had enough and stepped down into a lead ic role. there were obviously other factors that led to my failure in management, some of them mine and some of them organizational, but the important thing you should take away is that you shouldn't do management because you think it's the next step. manage only if that's what you really actually want to do.
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a text came in from an old co-worker of mine about a possible job opportunity in a larger company field-adjacent to the one i am in. with actual options to career advance a bit. i would have to move but at this point it can't be any worse than where i am at. this thread has inspired me to at least throw a resume at the drat thing. thanks y'all.
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aeflux posted:this thread has inspired me to at least throw a resume at the drat thing. thanks y'all. good plan. now spend a couple of hours looking for other opportunities and send that resume there, too. get dem figgies
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qhat posted:That's why I'm not sure I want to move above a tech lead role, I like programming and I like managing in equal parts, but to do either one exclusively for the rest of my career would probably not satisfy me enough. yeah this is kinda where I’m at. that said, I’m generally more excited about team stuff vs individual stuff... the projects that I can point at and be the proudest of over my career are the ones where I drove process/org changes moreso than the ones where I poo poo out some code
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i live in the midwest and have about 5 years experience on paper (which is more like 3 years actual experience) how much money should i be asking for?
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HoboMan posted:i live in the midwest and have about 5 years experience on paper (which is more like 3 years actual experience) how much money should i be asking for? all of it
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the talent deficit posted:all of it
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HoboMan posted:i live in the midwest and have about 5 years experience on paper (which is more like 3 years actual experience) how much money should i be asking for? how high is up job? programmer, devop, management? industry? experienced in a hot technology? in a large/hot metro? degree? base or total comp? generically midwest I’d say $70-125k base looking at your post history you’ve got multiple offers so don’t set a number. thread has lots of advice on how to dodge that question. batna and all that
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the talent deficit posted:all of it but really, this
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My first-choice company just bounced me...after checking my references  
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Dijkstracula posted:My first-choice company just bounced me...after checking my references Oh poo poo, how many did you provide? I don't really know what to do in that situation... ask them what they said? That seems awkward...
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Three, per their request (one former manager and two peers) I asked the manager reference if they had any idea of what went awry, since backchannel from the peers seemed to be that the company were positive on me, and I was told "I wasn't super prepared for that reference check" which is
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Dijkstracula posted:My first-choice company just bounced me...after checking my references lol how does that happen? what kind of person agrees to be a reference then trash talks you
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Tetramin posted:lol how does that happen? what kind of person agrees to be a reference then trash talks you maybe they were on the fence and deliberating while checking references, so it wasn't actually related? IDK IT IS EXTREMELY WEIRD and I'm grouchy because I liked this company
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Mar 30, 2019 19:32
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Dijkstracula posted:maybe they were on the fence and deliberating while checking references, so it wasn't actually related? yeah making it to the reference check stage is usually where I start relaxing and getting excited. sucks man.
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Dijkstracula posted:Three, per their request (one former manager and two peers) That sounds weird as hell. I'd almost be tempted to write it off as a bullshit excuse to pass you over, or maybe some wires got crossed somewhere along the line, but I'd want to know who poo poo talked you if that's what actually happened. Was your old manager a prick?
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Ya, if it really was one of your references who got you axed it'd be good to know so you can avoid using them again. poo poo sucks though. Goondolences.
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Honestly I wouldn't really be able to understand the mentality of a person that would agree to giving you a reference and then bad mouth you, that's pretty malicious. Unless of course the referencer threw a bunch of curve balls that the reference found difficult to answer, so I guess it might not even be their fault.
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Might be moving over the summer for my wife to attend university. Time to dust off the old résumé. Shout out to MononcQc for providing the nice LaTeX template a few months ago. It's clean and easy to modify: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3845966&userid=117596&perpage=40&pagenumber=2#post490472500
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qhat posted:Unless of course the referencer threw a bunch of curve balls that the reference found difficult to answer, so I guess it might not even be their fault. OH WELL
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Dijkstracula posted:maybe they were on the fence and deliberating while checking references, so it wasn't actually related? This is worth a call to your reference
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I kinda almost did that to an old coworker years ago. he didn’t give me a heads up, but he was trying to get security clearance. so I kept getting voicemails from so and so at the Navy, which I obviously ignored. eventually navy guy showed up at my front door and said “I want to talk to you about old coworker X for xyz reasons and then it finally clicked. he got clearance in the end. around the same time his wife was interviewing for a prof job at Virginia tech. they were touring the campus and went up the stairwell to find the next floors door locked, which was unexpected, so they left. on the news later that night they found out who locked it
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Captain Foo posted:This is worth a call to your reference yeah so when I did they were all "yeah so I wasn't really prepared for the call, they asked about your projects and I didn't have much to say" which is messed up but they had two other people to talk to (they called at least one of the other two, who said the talk went well), so I don't know
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Dijkstracula posted:yeah so when I did they were all "yeah so I wasn't really prepared for the call, they asked about your projects and I didn't have much to say" which is messed up but they had two other people to talk to (they called at least one of the other two, who said the talk went well), so I don't know this sounds like the person calling doesn't understand what checking a reference means. i'd say bullet dodged but it could have otherwise been a good opportunity that was ruined by an idiot. see thread title
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Rex-Goliath posted:this sounds like the person calling doesn't understand what checking a reference means. i'd say bullet dodged but it could have otherwise been a good opportunity that was ruined by an idiot. Asking about previous projects doesn't sound like an unreasonable thing but just really the broad strokes i.e did they blow projects to hell, were they easy to work with, did they regularly miss deadlines, etc. I feel as long as the answers to those questions are green then it should be a pass? It's weird to be rejected because the references themselves choked, that's not really the point.
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yeah when he says 'i wasn't prepared for that call' it sounds like they were asking very pointed and specific questions and he was caught off guard. they then turned him down because a different person choked. whoever was checking the reference was a dummy
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Rex-Goliath posted:yeah when he says 'i wasn't prepared for that call' it sounds like they were asking very pointed and specific questions and he was caught off guard. they then turned him down because a different person choked. whoever was checking the reference was a dummy Rex-Goliath posted:see thread title
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Dijkstracula posted:My first-choice company just bounced me...after checking my references that happened to me a few months back, loving sucks
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thanks pals 
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I thought reference checks were supposed to be like "did this person actually work with you k thx "
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haha lol I'm 1000% second guessing myself now god I hate this
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