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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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27 | 1.40% |
| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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1017 | 52.69% |
| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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7 | 0.36% |
| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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22 | 1.14% |
| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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17 | 0.88% |
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Groovelord Neato posted:bernie would've won. not as an "i told you so" but in a "this is how we win going forward". I wish people wouldn't say this. Polling doesn't tell you the full story. You can't look at polls and have that tell you an alternate view of history.
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dwarf74 posted:My local Dem-leaning Facebook group has a deep thinker with very serious thoughts about the primary, folks.
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Mar 31, 2019 22:45
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CelestialScribe posted:I wish people wouldn't say this. Polling doesn't tell you the full story. You can't look at polls and have that tell you an alternate view of history. "Bernie would've won" is true, less because of Bernie, but because Trump winning required a perfect storm of factors working in his favor and changing any of them likely changes the outcome. Like Bernie would've won 2016, but so would Biden or, for that matter, Hillary-if-the-election-had-been-ten-days-earlier. Endorph posted:like everyone who talked about obama being a god-hating muslim would 100% pull the lever for an actual muslim if he was a big R republican Or, you know, culturally conservative evangelicals rallying passionately behind a guy who cheats on his pregnant wife with porn stars? rko posted:Buddy I know I made a mistake, you can quit now. You are right. Apologies, misread your last post as doubling down. Z. Autobahn fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Mar 31, 2019 |
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Mar 31, 2019 22:51
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CelestialScribe posted:I wish people wouldn't say this. Polling doesn't tell you the full story. You can't look at polls and have that tell you an alternate view of history. I kind of think the full story here is “man who has reshaped an entire party he doesn’t nominally belong to in his political image and singlehandedly sparked a socialist renaissance in America would have been a better candidate than the nominee who was so widely loathed it was common for news stories predicting her election to mention that the only reason her historic unpopularity wasn’t a problem was because Trump’s was worse.” Honestly, it’s easier now than ever to see that Bernie Would’ve Won is true. Z. Autobahn posted:Apologies, misread your last post as doubling down. No worries! rko fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Mar 31, 2019 |
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Mar 31, 2019 22:53
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Z. Autobahn posted:Or, you know, culturally conservative evangelicals rallying passionately behind a guy who cheats on his pregnant wife with porn stars? They'll always handwave away that one with "God's plan can be enacted through imperfect men" or some bullshit.
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Going to be pretty embarrassing then if he runs against Trump next year and loses
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Mar 31, 2019 22:55
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CelestialScribe posted:Going to be pretty embarrassing then if he runs against Trump next year and loses I mean if Sanders loses in 2020, the embarrassment of the left will hopefully be a balm during our rapid descent to full totalitarian dystopia Luckily he’s going to win.
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rko posted:I mean if Sanders loses in 2020, the embarrassment of the left will hopefully be a balm during our rapid descent to full totalitarian dystopia Toxx then.
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Mar 31, 2019 23:00
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CelestialScribe posted:Going to be pretty embarrassing then if he runs against Trump next year and loses When Bernie decides to not campaign in the Rust Belt to instead rack up the popular margin in blue states, I'll get worried
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Mar 31, 2019 23:03
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Z. Autobahn posted:When Bernie decides to not campaign in the Rust Belt to instead rack up the popular margin in blue states, I'll get worried It's funny how much the popular wisdom of this forum has changed. Three years ago I was being told she didn't need to campaign there and that they were inevitable wins.
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Mar 31, 2019 23:05
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CelestialScribe posted:It's funny how much the popular wisdom of this forum has changed. Three years ago I was being told she didn't need to campaign there and that they were inevitable wins. "Look at these morons, looking at failures and trying to learn from them"
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Mar 31, 2019 23:07
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I hope we get a Texas primary poll soon. I'm very curious to see how Beto's numbers have held up there, especially with it being a Super Tuesday state this time 'round. I'm starting to suspect that he will fill the centrist void when Biden inevitably tanks.
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Mar 31, 2019 23:07
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CelestialScribe posted:It's funny how much the popular wisdom of this forum has changed. Three years ago I was being told she didn't need to campaign there and that they were inevitable wins.
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Mar 31, 2019 23:13
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CelestialScribe posted:Toxx then. I have. Toxx against him, coward, if you're so sure that Better Things Aren't Possible.
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Mar 31, 2019 23:13
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Z. Autobahn posted:"Look at these morons, looking at failures and trying to learn from them" My point is that popular wisdom isn't so wise.
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Mar 31, 2019 23:15
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WampaLord posted:I have. Toxx against him, coward, if you're so sure that Better Things Aren't Possible. I'm not saying he won't win. I'm saying it's foolish to believe it's inevitable. Just as it was foolish to believe the same in 2016.
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Mar 31, 2019 23:16
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CelestialScribe posted:I'm not saying he won't win. I'm saying it's foolish to believe it's inevitable. Just as it was foolish to believe the same in 2016. "I was born with a rare defect and totally lack a spine" You dont even have the conviction to be lovely
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Mar 31, 2019 23:20
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CelestialScribe posted:My point is that popular wisdom isn't so wise. If I flip a coin 5 times and it comes up heads every time, it doesn't mean the laws of probability are broken; it just means 'the unlikely outcome occurred'.
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Mar 31, 2019 23:22
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Unoriginal Name posted:"I was born with a rare defect and totally lack a spine" Hahaha conviction doesn't mean predicting something without any evidence. I don't know whether Bernie would win a general, and neither do you. There isn't enough information to know either way. Thr best signs will begin after the convention next year.
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CelestialScribe posted:I'm not saying he won't win. I'm saying it's foolish to believe it's inevitable. Just as it was foolish to believe the same in 2016. No one's implying anything is inevitable here but you, my cowardly friend. CelestialScribe posted:I wish people wouldn't say this. Polling doesn't tell you the full story. You can't look at polls and have that tell you an alternate view of history. CelestialScribe posted:Going to be pretty embarrassing then if he runs against Trump next year and loses E: lol CelestialScribe posted:I don't know whether Bernie would win a general, and neither do you. There isn't enough information to know either way. Thr best signs will begin after the convention next year. *throws up hands in air* How can we possibly know? It's not like polls have been posted or donation numbers, or any sort of metric that indicates potential success! Every candidate has an equal chance of winning the nomination! This is just sad now.
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Mar 31, 2019 23:31
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CelestialScribe posted:Hahaha conviction doesn't mean predicting something without any evidence. Obviously anyone saying "I am 100% certain beyond a shadow of a doubt that Bernie will win" is exaggerating, but it's entirely reasonable to say that based on the available information we have, the Dem candidate in 2020 is favored to win, and Bernie is one of the stronger performers among them
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Mar 31, 2019 23:33
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CelestialScribe posted:Going to be pretty embarrassing then if he runs against Trump next year and loses CelestialScribe posted:I'm not saying he won't win. I'm saying it's foolish to believe it's inevitable. Just as it was foolish to believe the same in 2016. Indeed yes, look at these fools, willing to stand by the things they believe You, the great Man of Jellied Beliefs, are truly superior
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Mar 31, 2019 23:41
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CelestialScribe posted:It's funny how much the popular wisdom of this forum has changed. Three years ago I was being told she didn't need to campaign there and that they were inevitable wins. Many of the people ITT, including me, were saying that she needed to campaign more in those states, or else risk underperforming. It was centrists like you who were indignantly shrieking that she would win easily.
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Mar 31, 2019 23:42
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Toxxing that Bernard wins if he gets the nomination. Y'all cowards don't even smoke crack
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Mar 31, 2019 23:46
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CelestialScribe posted:It's funny how much the popular wisdom of this forum has changed. Three years ago I was being told she didn't need to campaign there and that they were inevitable wins. yea dude congrats, a lot of us were stupid and bought into hype we should have been smarter than. Now we're not gonna take 'conventional wisdom' for granted. Also Beto joins Mayor Pete in 'proudly pro-gentrification past being uncovered', cool! https://twitter.com/WalkerBragman/status/1112424759231426567
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Majorian posted:Many of the people ITT, including me, were saying that she needed to campaign more in those states, or else risk underperforming. It was centrists like you who were indignantly shrieking that she would win easily. Hahahahahahahaha you cannot be loving serious. I was only of the only ones in the thread suggesting she would lose. Everyone kept telling me to "post your map". And since when am I a centrist?
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Barrio Resident: "You have us living in fear" Beto: "There are a lot of people who are working very hard to frighten the people who live here." Barrio Resident: "And you know who that is?' Beto: "Yes" Barrio Resident: "It's your own father in law." Beto: "No. Ok, that's just your opinion." Lightning Knight posted:Jesus.
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CelestialScribe posted:Hahahahahahahaha you cannot be loving serious. As I remember, everyone kept telling you to post your map because you were just as much an insufferable twit then as you are now. You kept popping in to say Donny would win and backed it up with no evidence or reasons. Your tummy aches are not oracles, your posts are not auguries, and your insufferable presence is not a portent.
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Wow so this is a recap of like all of 2016's best arguments itt
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Gyges posted:As I remember, everyone kept telling you to post your map because you were just as much an insufferable twit then as you are now. You kept popping in to say Donny would win and backed it up with no evidence or reasons. Your tummy aches are not oracles, your posts are not auguries, and your insufferable presence is not a portent. I regularly pointed to polls that showed Hillary falling behind.
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CelestialScribe posted:Hahahahahahahaha you cannot be loving serious. I don't know if that's true or not, but I do know I was one of the ones saying that she could lose, and risked losing in those states if she didn't campaign in them. What I do know is that the same people who were so offended that anyone could suggest that she would lose, are spouting the same nonsense as you are ITT. quote:And since when am I a centrist? You're 100% a centrist. You've been one since you first started posting ITT, and possibly before.
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This thread: Bernie would have won! Also this thread: Bernie wouldn’t have won! Still this thread: WOW, this thread flip flopped hard on Bernie!
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Apr 1, 2019 00:19
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The flipside of my earlier post is that a guy insisting a coin will land 5 times heads up is not a visionary or brilliant for being right when it happens, he's just a dumbass who got lucky
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Apr 1, 2019 00:22
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bootyjudge is burning bridges with the only voters he has pull with anymore https://twitter.com/deb2227/status/1111942027229442048 he's right of course, but  if anyone left of hillary will vote for him, and the hillary fans just got mad cause he disrespected abuela
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Apr 1, 2019 00:34
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Majorian posted:I don't know if that's true or not, but I do know I was one of the ones saying that she could lose, and risked losing in those states if she didn't campaign in them. What I do know is that the same people who were so offended that anyone could suggest that she would lose, are spouting the same nonsense as you are ITT. How exactly am I a centrist?
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https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/1112320903021580288 https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/1112320904288264192 https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/1112320905638744064 https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/1112320907048091648 
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I am 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt certain that Brian Krassenstein smells women's hair when he meets them
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Apr 1, 2019 00:39
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CelestialScribe posted:How exactly am I a centrist? You're not a centrist, you're just an exhausting contrarian who refuses to actually back anything or anyone
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Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/1112320903021580288 can this loving walking goober fall out of a window already
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Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/1112320903021580288 "Ladies, you should absolutely speak up against assault and behavior that makes you uncomfortable. But also, quit being such a prude about this, the guy was just trying to be friendly and pay you a compliment. Maybe try being flattered before you bust out the angry hashtags and make him look bad."
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