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Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat
But it hasn't stopped women from sending unsolicited vagina pics to me.

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axeil
Feb 14, 2006
I met my fiancee on coffee meets bagel. They solve the dick pic problem by only giving you a small number of matches a day (think 5). And you can only communicate if you both agree, plus there is a one week timer and then you can't talk any more to encourage setting up an actual date.

Sites that aren't Tinder are getting fairly creative at solving the dick pic spam problem, but that's not really the issue. The poster that pointed out how as you age you slowly start getting socially isolated if you're not with someone is absolutely right. I see it happening with my group of friends now. The ones who are married don't really see the single ones any more. What happens when you're the last single person and suddenly you don't see your friends any more and you feel frustrated and isolated?

It's no accident the alt-right takes recruitment strategies from Islamic extremists and cults. The whole point is to find isolated young men, make them feel wanted, and then radicalize them. The best way to shut them down is to stop young men from getting frustrated/angry at the world and isolated, but that's easier said than done. I don't even know how we start to fix it.

Mendrian
Jan 6, 2013

axeil posted:

I met my fiancee on coffee meets bagel. They solve the dick pic problem by only giving you a small number of matches a day (think 5). And you can only communicate if you both agree, plus there is a one week timer and then you can't talk any more to encourage setting up an actual date.

Sites that aren't Tinder are getting fairly creative at solving the dick pic spam problem, but that's not really the issue. The poster that pointed out how as you age you slowly start getting socially isolated if you're not with someone is absolutely right. I see it happening with my group of friends now. The ones who are married don't really see the single ones any more. What happens when you're the last single person and suddenly you don't see your friends any more and you feel frustrated and isolated?

It's no accident the alt-right takes recruitment strategies from Islamic extremists and cults. The whole point is to find isolated young men, make them feel wanted, and then radicalize them. The best way to shut them down is to stop young men from getting frustrated/angry at the world and isolated, but that's easier said than done. I don't even know how we start to fix it.

I still don't buy it. I hang out with married people all the time. I know married people with children and still voluntarily hang out with them. Where does this idea come from that you "can't " be part of a friend's life once they're married?

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


axeil posted:

I met my fiancee on coffee meets bagel. They solve the dick pic problem by only giving you a small number of matches a day (think 5). And you can only communicate if you both agree, plus there is a one week timer and then you can't talk any more to encourage setting up an actual date.

Sites that aren't Tinder are getting fairly creative at solving the dick pic spam problem, but that's not really the issue. The poster that pointed out how as you age you slowly start getting socially isolated if you're not with someone is absolutely right. I see it happening with my group of friends now. The ones who are married don't really see the single ones any more. What happens when you're the last single person and suddenly you don't see your friends any more and you feel frustrated and isolated?

It's no accident the alt-right takes recruitment strategies from Islamic extremists and cults. The whole point is to find isolated young men, make them feel wanted, and then radicalize them. The best way to shut them down is to stop young men from getting frustrated/angry at the world and isolated, but that's easier said than done. I don't even know how we start to fix it.

I don't think that frustration and/or anger among young men alone is enough to get them to join the alt-right. I think there's a huge gap between that and subscribing to ideological tenets which espouse white supremacy and hatred to others. That, and are there really no married people who support the alt-right, or at least some of the goals it finds desirable?

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Dammerung posted:

I don't think that frustration and/or anger among young men alone is enough to get them to join the alt-right. I think there's a huge gap between that and subscribing to ideological tenets which espouse white supremacy and hatred to others. That, and are there really no married people who support the alt-right, or at least some of the goals it finds desirable?

Well, there's that and the alt-right has literally no competition for recruiting among them except maybe the socialist renaissance. It's the result of neo-nazis trying for years to find an opening to recruit among young people who see them as monstrous and absurd, until they found a generation of boys completely abandoned by liberal politics.

It isn't just being single and lonely, though that's a big part of it. Some of it is garden-variety racist and sexist conservatives being radicalised, especially if they live in suburban wastelands full of stir-crazy paranoid white people watching their economic security slip away. A fair few alt-right ringleaders are scions of wealth who couldn't hack it in the usual rich failson daycares of journalism, the military or political internships.

Social isolation comes in many forms, and the form of late-stage capitalism is downright atomisation.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

Mendrian posted:

I know married people with children and still voluntarily hang out with them. Where does this idea come from that you "can't " be part of a friend's life once they're married?
It's more that the married and childed have different schedules and obligations.

I had a coworker that was throwing a birthday party and went from excited to 0 interest when their invite email said "Drinks and Dinner @ 8, bar 1 at 10 followed by Karaoke and..."

Dude, I have a toddler. I'm usually In Bed by 8.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006

axeil posted:

I don't even know how we start to fix it.

The way they recruit and the way to fix it are not seperate. They need a place, purpose, and acceptance into society. We know how do that but it's undermined by capitalism.

cargo cult
Aug 28, 2008

by Reene
mbs is complete trash personally and politically and he one ups it by being closest to the most trashpile people

cargo cult
Aug 28, 2008

by Reene

eke out posted:

https://twitter.com/NoahShachtman/status/1112360127825395712

this story is still in its infancy, and there are a whole lot of unknowns because we haven't seen evidence of any of the claims, but i think it got less attention yesterday than it should've

Bezos' security people argue that AMI didn't just pay off his girlfriend's brother, Sanchez, to steal his texts, but rather that they originally found out about his girlfriend from Saudi-backed hacking of Bezos' phone and have been trying to cover it up by making Sanchez the fall guy.

the richest man in the world setting out to prove MBS hacked him because of the WaPo's coverage of KSA is.. a very big story
im dumb can u explain why its a very big story

KittenofDoom
Apr 15, 2003

Me posting IRL

cargo cult posted:

im dumb can u explain why its a very big story
The Saudi government hacked the phone of a Jeff Bezos, the owner of Amazon and tried to blackmail him into ending the reporting of the murder of a US resident, which was ordered by the Saudi crown prince, MBS.

Jamal Khashoggi was a reporter for the Washington Post, which is owned by Jeff Bezos. He reported on the corruption and downright brutal treatment of rivals and critics of Saudi Arabia's new crown prince, Muhammed Bin Salman.

MBS sent a kill team to Turkey and lured Khashoggi into the Saudi consulate. Once in the consulate, he was quickly suffocated, killed, and dismembered. Hopefully in that order. There are recordings of it. MBS has denied involvement (he's lying), and Trump has basically given him a free pass. Washington Post has been continually running stories on Saudi's involvement in a murder of one of their writers.

The Saudi government then (probably again at the order of the crown prince) hacked into Jeff Bezos' phone and uncovered evidence of an affair. They used AMI, the tabloid corp. that owns The National Enquirer, to try to blackmail Jeff Bezos into not running and more negative stories. Jeff Bezos instead traced the hack back to Saudi Arabia and notified the authorities.

This means the head of a foreign state has been spying on and attempting to blackmail American citizens. The same head of state who ordered the murder of a US resident.

KittenofDoom fucked around with this message at 09:02 on Apr 1, 2019

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
Foreign governments hacking private citizens and corporations due to unfavorable coverage or journalism is a tad by cyberpunk for us.

qkkl
Jul 1, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Missing DW-Link posted:

If you're capable of communicating with women/men as if they are an actual, literal person (just like you!) you will find success in online dating regardless of how attractive/ugly you think you are.

If you are consistently "ghosted" on online dating platforms, ask a diverse selection of peers to give you feedback on your communication style. If you can't/won't engage with peers, there's a big part of your answer right there.

The hardest thing about dating is working up the courage to talk to someone. Dating apps make it incredibly easy to "connect" but much harder to actually ask someone out. Often times, people are ghosted by someone that wants to go out with them, but aren't confident enough to ask. Waste very little time if you want to go out with someone.. just ask them out. Get to it.

Unfortunately there is only so much an average male can do to make themselves more attractive. Just like in athletics, some people are naturally more gifted than others and no amount of training would be able to overcome one's lack of gifts. The rise of online dating has simple allowed women to easily find the most attractive men, whereas before they had to settle for men they happened to meet by chance.

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cargo cult
Aug 28, 2008

by Reene

KittenofDoom posted:

The Saudi government hacked the phone of a Jeff Bezos, the owner of Amazon and tried to blackmail him into stop reporting on the Saudi crown prince, MBS, having ordered the murder of a US resident who was a critic.

Jamal Khashoggi was a reporter for the Washington Post, which is owned by Jeff Bezos. He reported on the corruption and downright brutal treatment of civilians and critics by Saudi Arabia's new crown prince, Muhammed Bin Salman.

MBS sent a kill team to Turkey and lured Khashoggi into the Saudi consulate. Once in the consulate, he was quickly suffocated, killed, and dismembered. Hopefully in that order. There are recordings of it. MBS has denied involvement (he's lying), and Trump has basically given him a free pass. Washington Post has been continually running stories on Saudi's involvement in a murder of one of their writers.

The Saudi government then (probably again at the order of the crown prince) hacked into Jeff Bezos' phone and uncovered evidence of an affair. They used AMI, the tabloid corp. that owns The National Enquirer, to try to blackmail Jeff Bezos into not running and more negative stories. Jeff Bezos instead traced the hack back to Saudi Arabia and notified the authorities.

This means the head of a foreign state has been spying on and attempting to blackmail American citizens. The same head of state who ordered the murder of a US resident.
i knew all of this stuff, i just dont see what bezos' recourse is

ive heard MBS has been censured in the past and had his powers stripped or something but its not like bezos can put a hit out on him or smtn lol

Arzachel
May 12, 2012

qkkl posted:

Unfortunately there is only so much an average male can do to make themselves more attractive. Just like in athletics, some people are naturally more gifted than others and no amount of training would be able to overcome one's lack of gifts. The rise of online dating has simple allowed women to easily find the most attractive men, whereas before they had to settle for men they happened to meet by chance.

lmao look at this dweeb

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

BrandorKP posted:

The way they recruit and the way to fix it are not seperate. They need a place, purpose, and acceptance into society. We know how do that but it's undermined by capitalism.

Incidentally, a program to accomplish this would also massively benefit all the other marginalised and oppressed groups in society.

Attempting to treat a problem affecting hundreds of thousands as individual choices is falling into the same capitalist bullshit trap that makes endless excuses for sexism, racism and poverty.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

And furthermore
Grimey Drawer

qkkl posted:

Unfortunately there is only so much an average male can do to make themselves more attractive. Just like in athletics, some people are naturally more gifted than others and no amount of training would be able to overcome one's lack of gifts. The rise of online dating has simple allowed women to easily find the most attractive men, whereas before they had to settle for men they happened to meet by chance.

Unless you are literally horrendously deformed, your appearance is a relatively small part of the whole 'attraction package' for women. I am a solid 6 as far as looks go but I have had a lot of success dating, because I present as someone that women would like to get to know.

If you think women aren't dating you because you aren't attractive enough, then you will never get a date because you are blind to the real reasons as to why women aren't interested in you right now. Fix those, and you can get a date no matter what you look like.

qkkl
Jul 1, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Helen Highwater posted:

Unless you are literally horrendously deformed, your appearance is a relatively small part of the whole 'attraction package' for women. I am a solid 6 as far as looks go but I have had a lot of success dating, because I present as someone that women would like to get to know.

If you think women aren't dating you because you aren't attractive enough, then you will never get a date because you are blind to the real reasons as to why women aren't interested in you right now. Fix those, and you can get a date no matter what you look like.

I was including mental attractiveness as well in my analysis. Some people are gifted with more attractive personalities and social skills than others. Online dating apps have simply made it very easy for women to exclusively be sexually intimate with the most attractive men.

Online dating has increased the competition, and when there is competition there are going to be winners and losers.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

qkkl posted:

Unfortunately there is only so much an average male can do to make themselves more attractive. Just like in athletics, some people are naturally more gifted than others and no amount of training would be able to overcome one's lack of gifts. The rise of online dating has simple allowed women to easily find the most attractive men, whereas before they had to settle for men they happened to meet by chance.

Run at least ten miles a week, lift with a solid general plan, eat healthy, and take a shower once in a while. You don't need a whole lot of gifts for being physically fit.

Zesty
Jan 17, 2012

The Great Twist

qkkl posted:

Unfortunately there is only so much an average male can do to make themselves more attractive. Just like in athletics, some people are naturally more gifted than others and no amount of training would be able to overcome one's lack of gifts. The rise of online dating has simple allowed women to easily find the most attractive men, whereas before they had to settle for men they happened to meet by chance.

Yikes.

Funny how all women are taken by the most attractive men, huh? I guess it must seem that way when you're bottom of the barrel due to your creepy views.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

And furthermore
Grimey Drawer
I'm a 90kg, 45 year old dude with long hair, a scary beard, zero style and the whitest, least tannable skin on the planet. I'm not a fat dude, but I am most definitely not in any kind of shape.

If you can hit one out of any of this list, you can get laid:

Rich
Funny
Good looking

Desperation is a bigger turnoff to most women than almost anything else. Be respectful, be entertaining and you'll get dates.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Jesus loving baby goat loving Christ the incel is coming from this thread. Have you people thought about talking to women like they are people?

cargo cult
Aug 28, 2008

by Reene
that guy is a serial shitposter quit getting baited and yes my monitor is on

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
As we all know, personalities and social skills are decided at birth by rolling dice on a table, and have no relation to the society or environment which a person grows up into.

Arzachel
May 12, 2012

Ghost Leviathan posted:

As we all know, personalities and social skills are decided at birth by rolling dice on a table, and have no relation to the society or environment which a person grows up into.

But the guide said CHA is the dump stat

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
Early 2000s I was getting over a bad breakup and listening to Tom loving Leykis for entertainment and even as a dumb-as-rocks angsty young adult I sure as all loving hell knew the poo poo that dude was spewing was a load of horseshit.

That extremely online people now just give up and turn into hideous hellbeasts is so goddamn depressing.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
It's just like after 2008 when young people all started choosing to be lazy and not get jobs.

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Death By The Blues posted:

It is a depressing cycle. Almost turning 30 and a virgin, not sure what to do, ah well.

But yea talking to enough woman who use online dating, so many men are loving gross. No wonder they don't want to deal with that poo poo and become hyper selective.

I have my hunches it's a mixture of gross and rear end in a top hat. I'm ugly as gently caress and even I've gotten laid, but I wasn't a macho male rear end in a top hat to them either

luxury handset posted:

figuring out the contents of a picture is extremely hard to do, and not in the "they don't want to spend money on it" way but rather in math terms. tumblr is all hosed up now because they put in anti-porn bots that flag all kinds of legit pictures but let the porn bots go free. it's real hard. me just saying "it's real hard" is difficult to parse as innuendo or not, now take a look at this



Tumblr's bots aren't even that good, they flag that isn't pornographic too

SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 10:40 on Apr 1, 2019

am0kgonzo
Jun 18, 2010

mod sassinator posted:

Look at the rise of alt right heros like Jordan Peterson. He's trying to preach to these frustrated men that their problems aren't their fault and that it's the women who refuse to conform to some ridiculous 1950's social norm's fault.



Pretty sure that isn't true.

Comstar
Apr 20, 2007

Are you happy now?
I meet my wife through OkCupid 6 years ago. We have a kid who is currently screaming. But enough about Trump, how does OkCupid *work* now if you can't talk with someone who thinks like you do?

Triskelli
Sep 27, 2011

I AM A SKELETON
WITH VERY HIGH
STANDARDS


USPOL: Sexless in the City

Prokhor Zakharov
Dec 31, 2008


This is me as I make another great post


Good luck with your depression!
I'm closing in on half a year dating a dude I met on OKCupid and it's going real well. We've only just started casually tossing around the big L word (meaning love, not Lenny) so that's been really exciting. The thing is he's crazy bonkers hot whereas I am your run of the mill chubby bespectacled goony dude. What's the secret? Be funny. You can be the ugliest gooniest mofo in the joint but if you can make him laugh on the reg then you're set for life. Can't get a date? Get funny.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Well, there's that and the alt-right has literally no competition for recruiting among them except maybe the socialist renaissance. It's the result of neo-nazis trying for years to find an opening to recruit among young people who see them as monstrous and absurd, until they found a generation of boys completely abandoned by liberal politics.


Are we really trying outside of Twitter?

I totally get the "I don't owe you an explanation" feelings of a lot of leftists/progressives have towards folks on the other side and ignorant young people who are salvageable but only knows the status quo (and are hard to distinguish between the two), but it does make it hard to compete for young men when you have an endless number of youtube channels and social media bigots are just begging to give their manifesto away and answer any question they have.

Charlz Guybon fucked around with this message at 11:56 on Apr 1, 2019

mrfreeze
Apr 3, 2009

Jon Arbuckle: Master of pleasuring women

Prokhor Zakharov posted:

I'm closing in on half a year dating a dude I met on OKCupid and it's going real well. We've only just started casually tossing around the big L word (meaning love, not Lenny) so that's been really exciting. The thing is he's crazy bonkers hot whereas I am your run of the mill chubby bespectacled goony dude. What's the secret? Be funny. You can be the ugliest gooniest mofo in the joint but if you can make him laugh on the reg then you're set for life. Can't get a date? Get funny.

Never ever toss around the Lenny word.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Charlz Guybon posted:

Are we really trying outside of Twitter?

I totally get the "I don't owe you an explanation" feelings of a lot of leftists/progressives have towards folks on the other side and ignorant young people who are salvageable but only knows the status quo (and are hard to distinguish between the two), but it does make it hard to compete for young men when you have an endless number of youtube channels and social media bigots are just begging to give their manifesto away and answer any question they have.

A lot of the time, the left (or what passes for them) literally aren't trying at all, and are hostile and confused towards those who are, look at all the flak ContraPoints gets for actually acknowledging the opposing arguments to progressive positions and trying to convince people step by step.

Really doesn't help with all the focus on (or rather, lip service to) social issues at the expense of economic issues means a lot of progressives don't understand there's a big, big difference between a poor white man and a rich white man. Or woman, for that matter, and that's how you get White Feminism. All these people stuck in their parents' basements stewing in loneliness and lack of fulfilment is treated as a punchline when it's a social catastrophe being actively exploited by the worst possible people.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1112667199725027328

https://twitter.com/EricHaywood/status/1112372224684494853

Peace through order... :hmm:

https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1112665819836751876

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1112411310216699904

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1112665422816571397

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You don't say

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John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


Charlz Guybon posted:

Nope, but I did meet my wife on OkCupid and I sent her a message as a stranger.

And I met my wife on OkCupid and she sent ME a message as a trainer. I never would have seen it with the current setup because she was outside my geographical search range at the time by about 10 miles.

Minenfeld!
Aug 21, 2012



I met my current girlfriend on Match.com. I signed up, sent a "wink" which isn't even a message to three ladies I thought were interesting pretty and logged off for the day. She sent me a message which I couldn't view unless I paid so I googled "free match.com trial," used that, and sent her my phone number. Apparently we went to the same high school at the same time.

Been together for six years now--so that's good.

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Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
Cool thread about online dating and googling discount codes

friendbot2000
May 1, 2011

https://twitter.com/means_tv/status/1112676857722429442

Sme cool video stuff so we can stop talking about weird sexual recession nonsense

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friendbot2000
May 1, 2011

https://twitter.com/carterforva/status/1112445725605064704

Also a message from your absolute boy Lee Carter! Please donate to his campaign and make my state a little less garbage.

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