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we've had two referendums in recent years and both times people have voted for the poo poo option because they are dumb as rocks. idk what kind of loon you have to be to think the solution to the current problem is another referendum
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coffeetable posted:Snap. Yeah, p much. Revoke pls
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Apr 1, 2019 16:07
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Tesseraction posted:Likely yes, because it means better economic outcomes for both sides and sacrifices nothing. It's pretty much exactly what everyone assumed Brexit was going to look at before the vulture capitalists got their hands on it.
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Apr 1, 2019 16:08
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coffeetable posted:we've had two referendums in recent years and both times people have voted for the poo poo option because they are dumb as rocks. idk what kind of loon you have to be to think the solution to the current problem is another referendum I like runoff voting and was sad to see that people refused to move to a better system than the current system just because it wasn't the proportional representation system they wanted. Also a lot of people were confused by the system and wanted a simpler one, but that's an obstacle to either system.
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Apr 1, 2019 16:08
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I'm not going to  this, what time should we expect the important stuff of the day to have happened? 9 PM?
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Apr 1, 2019 16:10
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CM2.0 is a soft Brexit that's probably going to rip the Tories in two (as a party, not individually, sadly) so it's pretty much the best of the plausible outcomes.
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Apr 1, 2019 16:14
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Julio Cruz posted:CM2.0 is a soft Brexit that's probably going to rip the Tories in two so it's pretty much the best of the plausible outcomes. Yup. There's not a chance in hell May could pivot to it without collapsing her government, and equally if her deal goes down she can't possibly not pivot to the expressed will of the house. Even attempting something like a customs union compromise would likely get her VONCed by her own backbenchers. She's utterly trapped and the only possible lifeline are the Labour rebels prepared to vote for her deal when she brings it back again.
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Apr 1, 2019 16:17
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double nine posted:I'm not going to I have reason to suspect that the announcement will be made shortly after 10PM The vote itself will be held at 8:00PM, with voting scheduled to last half an hour before starting a debate on an unrelated motion lasting up to 90 minutes. At the end of that debate will be an opportunity to announce any results if they have been collated at that time.
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Apr 1, 2019 16:19
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whipping for the softest possible brexit is good politics by labour, but non-ideal policy of course, soft brexit->confirmatory public vote (lol) seems to be the safest course of action, though one which would likely place corbyn in the brexiteer camp
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Apr 1, 2019 16:21
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He's kinda been in there since the referendum?
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Apr 1, 2019 16:24
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V. Illych L. posted:whipping for the softest possible brexit is good politics by labour, but non-ideal policy Cm2 isnt what brexiters want and none of the options have any chance of winning a 2nd vote because they arent all things for all people Corbyn getting to cover himself to both sides would be the best case
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Apr 1, 2019 16:26
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JRM's tears are delicious.
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Apr 1, 2019 16:26
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Are there any rules in Parliament to prevent filibustering?
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Apr 1, 2019 16:28
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OwlFancier posted:He's kinda been in there since the referendum? The media have placed him there, but he's in the 'whatever is Labour party policy' camp from a professional perspective, though i've lost track of exactly what that is right now.
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Apr 1, 2019 16:29
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Gunder posted:Are there any rules in Parliament to prevent filibustering? Not really afaik
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Apr 1, 2019 16:30
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lol at JRM getting into a shitfight witih Soubry let them fight
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Apr 1, 2019 16:31
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This is basically just Points of View for Brexit enthusiasts.
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Apr 1, 2019 16:32
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OwlFancier posted:He's kinda been in there since the referendum? kind of, but this would see him explicitly campaigning against remain which would be really awkward
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Apr 1, 2019 16:34
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I readradmonger posted:I thought that power was constitutionally reserved for the Lords? Azza Bamboo posted:The member for Gainsborough is an embarrassment to my county.
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Apr 1, 2019 16:35
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corbyn personally is clearly both deeply ambivalent about the EU and has a fair bit of respect for referendum results, so he's probably personally leaning heavily towards some form of soft brexit however, it's not just his party and i imagine he can be swayed on this, an issue which really isn't that important to him
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Apr 1, 2019 16:37
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Gunder posted:Are there any rules in Parliament to prevent filibustering? Not exactly but the speaker can stop you if you deviate off topic. One useful tactic as you may well have seen in the commons is to allow interventions on your speech from other members. If a lot of MPs work together they can all intervene on each other to drag out all of their speeches.
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Apr 1, 2019 16:37
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Azza Bamboo posted:I like runoff voting and was sad to see that people refused to move to a better system than the current system just because it wasn't the proportional representation system they wanted. If I remember right the best system for both accuracy and ease of understanding is simply multiple choice, and I’m not sure why it’s not floated out there more.
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Apr 1, 2019 16:38
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coffeetable posted:we've had two referendums in recent years and both times people have voted for the poo poo option because they are dumb as rocks. idk what kind of loon you have to be to think the solution to the current problem is another referendum We've had three referenda, and only Brexit was the poo poo result. Changing the voting system is a good idea but not the way the LDs wanted it, and the Scottish Indyref was pandering to the same sort of idiot who want Brexit now except for a different country.
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Apr 1, 2019 16:39
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Azza Bamboo posted:Not exactly but the speaker can stop you if you deviate off topic. What about repetition or hesitations?
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Apr 1, 2019 16:39
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I don’t see why Corbyn would campaign for CM2 in a confirmatory referendum. I’m sure he sees it as the pointless downgrade we all do. “Respecting the will of the people” doesn’t really matter any more when you’re actually having a new referendum. It’s not a secret that he openly campaigned for Remain before. Unless people really do think he’s been a secret Nando’s Brexiteer this whole time.
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Apr 1, 2019 16:39
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lol the commentator for BBC Parliament is called Mark D'Arcy how apt
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Apr 1, 2019 16:39
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God tonight is going to be dramatic, and I'm going to be bummed when Labour rebels and/or the Lib Dems and the CUKs scupper our very last chance at preventing hell brexit
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Apr 1, 2019 16:41
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So, CU2 passes, Mays government falls. Mays deal passes. DUP break with Tories government falls. Mays deal passes. May resigns. Tories destroy each other. Government falls. No deal brexit. Government falls. Somehow this poo poo keeps going until 2022. Government falls.
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Apr 1, 2019 16:41
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Jedit posted:We've had three referenda, and only Brexit was the poo poo result. Changing the voting system is a good idea but not the way the LDs wanted it, and the Scottish Indyref was pandering to the same sort of idiot who want Brexit now except for a different country. AV ref was a poo poo result, not because AV was a good system, but because voting against it was always going to be taken as voting for the status quo ante, rather than voting for a system other than AV and FPTP. Putting AV in would have opened the door to better systems later, it losing meant FPTP forever.
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Apr 1, 2019 16:42
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Grey Hunter posted:So, I've started playing Space Station 13 recently and the constantly falling down does have a certain echo of watching the Tories at work these days.
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Apr 1, 2019 16:42
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thespaceinvader posted:The media have placed him there, but he's in the 'whatever is Labour party policy' camp from a professional perspective, though i've lost track of exactly what that is right now. The labour party policy since the referendum has been very definitely doing brexit. Not the way the tories are doing it, but very definitely brexit of some sort.
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Apr 1, 2019 16:43
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OzyMandrill posted:What about repetition or hesitations? While I'm not aware of a rule on this matter, there is something I've seen Bercow do. If someone's taking up time and they pause for a while, Bercow will thank someone for bringing their remarks to a close and swiftly move on to the next member.
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Apr 1, 2019 16:43
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Grey Hunter posted:So, Too much to hope for Too much...
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Apr 1, 2019 16:44
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The other nice thing about a referendum between confirming CM2 and just revoking the whole thing is that it does deliver on the actual Brexit vote, just in a concrete way that a lot of people probably won't support. Less chance of a betrayal!!! narrative if people just reject what's actually on offer Like that's been the thing this whole time, May has been championing her deal and even no deal as WILL OF THE PEOPLE, but they're not - people just voted for a vague "leave", there was no plan for what that would or should even look like, different people have different reasons for supporting brexit but it was always an open-ended thing - you could just assume it would be the kind of brexit YOU want. The one thing No Deal has going for it is it kicks that can down the road again, you can just believe it'll all turn out the way you like, and I bet that's why it polls so well
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Apr 1, 2019 16:45
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Barry Foster posted:Too much to hope for There is light at the end of the tunnel. Only to time will tell if it's the headlamp of an oncoming train....
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Apr 1, 2019 16:46
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Julio Cruz posted:CM2.0 is a soft Brexit that's probably going to rip the Tories in two (as a party, not individually, sadly) so it's pretty much the best of the plausible outcomes. Your AV could use some work 
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Apr 1, 2019 16:47
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feedmegin posted:Your AV could use some work Technically the moon isn't hitting us on the 29th in that av, which is accurate.
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Apr 1, 2019 16:48
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feedmegin posted:Your AV could use some work tell it to whoever bought it for me in the first place (and I have my suspicions)
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V. Illych L. posted:corbyn personally is clearly both deeply ambivalent about the EU and has a fair bit of respect for referendum results, so he's probably personally leaning heavily towards some form of soft brexit It's not just that. He's got Milne and Murray in his ear, who are ardently pro Brexit. And the indistinct rightish wafflers of the party are terrified of having to campaign on a remain platform in their northern constituencies. I think that's a little different from Hoey-esque full fledged Brexiteering and also different from the one or two Labour MP Lexiters. Corbyn seems trapped by the need to maintain reasonable support in the parliamentary party, much as May is. In conclusion the Labour Party cannot make up its mind on this, and can't agree on the reasons why either. Brexit cuts across traditional left/right identities, even if it is a thoroughly right wing project.
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At this point Bercow's passive aggression is the constitution.
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