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large hands
Jan 24, 2006

karoshi posted:

IIRC rocket plumes can be characterized so you'll get a warning saying "Dong-23 launched from X hitting Honolulu in 17 minutes".

Hell they can send those warnings out without a plume at all. I'll never forget that day

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hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

large hands posted:

Hell they can send those warnings out without a plume at all. I'll never forget that day

Don Gato
Apr 28, 2013

Actually a bipedal cat.
Grimey Drawer

The little moment of panic is the best part :allears:

It almost makes up for how I legit thought I was going to die for a bit.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

aphid_licker posted:

Thing about the prisoners's dilemma is that the rational strategy explicitly is not cooperation, despite this resulting in a nonoptimal outcome for everyone involved.

The rational strategy in the *iterated* prisoner's dilemma is definitely cooperation (or rather, tit-for-tat, where you start out cooperative and then do what your opponent did the previous iteration) (assuming no collusion).

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
NO COLUSION!!!!

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


Phanatic posted:

The rational strategy in the *iterated* prisoner's dilemma is definitely cooperation (or rather, tit-for-tat, where you start out cooperative and then do what your opponent did the previous iteration) (assuming no collusion).
Ahhh I get the difference, that makes sense.

e: sorry for wording that as an assertion originally, obvs I don't know enough about prisoners' dilemmas to go around making bold assertions about them :blush:

aphid_licker fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Apr 1, 2019

Hauldren Collider
Dec 31, 2012

Cessna posted:

No kidding.

Oh, no, eight hours on a plane. How will they survive?

I think I've had worse and longer commercial flights.

Doctor Grape Ape
Aug 26, 2005

Dammit Doc, I just bought this for you 3 months ago. Try and keep it around for a bit longer this time.

Hauldren Collider posted:

I think I've had worse and longer commercial flights.

Do Hawkeyes have a shitter flying head?

Mazz
Dec 12, 2012

Orion, this is Sperglord Actual.
Come on home.
Are MREs an option on a carrier or whatever was mentioned? I feel like the military solved the lovely but portable food problem a while ago.

Don Gato
Apr 28, 2013

Actually a bipedal cat.
Grimey Drawer
Whole lot of people jealous they didnt work on ISR assets ITT.

McNally
Sep 13, 2007

Ask me about Proposition 305


Do you like muskets?

Mazz posted:

Are MREs an option on a carrier or whatever was mentioned? I feel like the military solved the lovely but portable food problem a while ago.

MREs would also contribute to solving the problem of low shitter capacity.

EvilMerlin
Apr 10, 2018

Meh.

Give it a try...

Doctor Grape Ape posted:

Do Hawkeyes have a shitter flying head?

Yeah a bag for you to poo poo in... No, I'm not kidding. Piss tubes exist. One in the flight deck and one in the AEC. But as usual, no use while above 10k feet else bad things.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Put a flashlight on the piss tube to prevent backwash.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Wingnut Ninja posted:

You know what China doesn't have? A carrier-based AEW platform capable of aerial refueling.

https://twitter.com/NAVAIRNews/status/1108059283936153602

Over 8 hours crammed in a smelly, noisy, vibrating tube! Can't loving wait.

One thing that just occurred to me is that carriers have really terrible options for taking meals to go. When we fly long missions from shore I'll usually grab a sandwich from Wawa or something and some other snacks to last for ~4 hours. On a carrier you're usually limited to grabbing some pop tarts and granola bars from the wardroom, which gets really old on long flights and is going to be loving awful for an 8 hour mission. It's not like an AWACS where there's a little galley that you can (ostensibly) prepare some meals in.

Not making GBS threads on the Hawkeye community because god help anyone stuck in there for that long, but I'm honestly surprised that's the longest they've ever had to do it. In the US, I never brought something that'd need to be heated up; I never flew on a jet with both ovens functioning, and one was a good day. IIRC all the galley refrigeration has also been removed from the E-3 fleet. They can't afford parts for the fridges anymore.

BIG HEADLINE posted:

Shitposting. A strange game. The only winning move is not to reply.

:lol:

Mazz posted:

Are MREs an option on a carrier or whatever was mentioned? I feel like the military solved the lovely but portable food problem a while ago.

At least on AWACS, MREs were used from time to time (typically if the DFAC was low on food). Can't use the heater due to the hydrogen gas produced. Enjoy your cold vegetarian omelette. :barf:

Godholio fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Apr 1, 2019

Mazz
Dec 12, 2012

Orion, this is Sperglord Actual.
Come on home.

Godholio posted:

At least on AWACS, MREs were used from time to time (typically if the DFAC was low on food). Can't use the heater due to the hydrogen gas produced. Enjoy your cold vegetarian omelette. :barf:

I was going to ask about the heater specifically, good to know. Gotta get one of the big cases I guess and then dump all the vomelets from altitude, the vomelet comet

Captain von Trapp
Jan 23, 2006

I don't like it, and I'm sorry I ever had anything to do with it.

Don Gato posted:

Whole lot of people jealous they didnt work on ISR assets ITT.

At this very moment, there are AF personnel valiantly flying overhead ISR assets from comfy chairs in expensive buildings in scenic CONUS locations. The cafeterias are good, but sometimes they have to walk to a restaurant across the street to get exactly what they want.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

What do you do when your predator gets shot down? Get another cup of coffee?

StandardVC10
Feb 6, 2007

This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant

MrYenko posted:

What do you do when your predator gets shot down? Get another cup of coffee?

Load from your last save point?

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY
Switch to the viewpoint of a drone that had been running autonomous up to that point?
or
Fill out paperwork?


I'm guessing it's option B.

drgitlin
Jul 25, 2003
luv 2 get custom titles from a forum that goes into revolt when its told to stop using a bad word.

Phanatic posted:

By which I mean, Wawa used to be a deli as well. You could go into a Wawa or order half a pound of sliced provolone and a half a pound of roast beef and half a pound of turkey and a bunch of loose Amoroso's rolls and go home and make your own sandwiches.

Now the meats they have are solely for their own sandwiches, there's no deli case and everything's just kept behind a counter for them to make sandwiches from. The quality of the ingredients has definitely gone downhill and while it's still way better than Subway it's definitely taken a big step in the subway direction.

OK, because I was thinking perhaps it was like the amazing deli sketch in the Jimothy episode of Wits: https://www.witsradio.org/episodes/twenty-eight/index.html

Don Gato
Apr 28, 2013

Actually a bipedal cat.
Grimey Drawer

Captain von Trapp posted:

At this very moment, there are AF personnel valiantly flying overhead ISR assets from comfy chairs in expensive buildings in scenic CONUS locations. The cafeterias are good, but sometimes they have to walk to a restaurant across the street to get exactly what they want.

Hey man, sometimes let's loose a stinker of a fart and you just have to deal with it.

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine

karoshi posted:

a MarineDong-25 or whatever.

:lol:

Schadenboner fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Apr 1, 2019

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless

Cessna posted:

In the first gulf war I went eight months without a real shower or a chance to sleep on a mattress.

But eight hours on a plane? Oh, no!

LOL, fair enough, I may have been overly dramatic to try and get the discussion away from that ballistic missile train wreck. There are certainly worse ways to spend eight hours.

Doctor Grape Ape
Aug 26, 2005

Dammit Doc, I just bought this for you 3 months ago. Try and keep it around for a bit longer this time.

EvilMerlin posted:

Yeah a bag for you to poo poo in... No, I'm not kidding. Piss tubes exist. One in the flight deck and one in the AEC. But as usual, no use while above 10k feet else bad things.

I imagine you're real popular if you're the one to actually use said bag?

wkarma
Jul 16, 2010

MrYenko posted:

What do you do when your predator gets shot down? Get another cup of coffee?

First of all, I'd like to acknowledge your Dos Gringos reference. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w7BuwZ-u0s

Second of all, we should be talking about this amazing piece of reporting. https://theaviationist.com/2019/04/01/revealed-israels-top-secret-f-35f-jsmf/

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

wkarma posted:

First of all, I'd like to acknowledge your Dos Gringos reference. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w7BuwZ-u0s

Second of all, we should be talking about this amazing piece of reporting. https://theaviationist.com/2019/04/01/revealed-israels-top-secret-f-35f-jsmf/

Nice posting rig

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!
Longest flight was 19.6 hours. Yea I got to take a nap but still that was rough.

Shortest flight was 7 minutes lol

Flikken
Oct 23, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

holocaust bloopers posted:


Shortest flight was 7 minutes lol

Abort on take off?

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
Shortest flight I’ve been on was a rejected take off in a 737-200.

I don’t know if it counts as a flight, but when the reversers come out :tviv:

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!
Ferrying a jet from Anchorage International to Elmendorf.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Flikken posted:

Abort on take off?

After take off, by definition. :v:

Flikken
Oct 23, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

hobbesmaster posted:

After take off, by definition. :v:

This is why no one likes aviators.




It has nothing to do with jealousy, nothing at all.

Doctor Grape Ape
Aug 26, 2005

Dammit Doc, I just bought this for you 3 months ago. Try and keep it around for a bit longer this time.

FrozenVent posted:

Shortest flight I’ve been on was a rejected take off in a 737-200.

I don’t know if it counts as a flight, but when the reversers come out :tviv:

If you didn't leave the ground it wasn't a flight :colbert:

e: enjoy some good engine porn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6Fe6O8w61Y

Doctor Grape Ape fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Apr 2, 2019

Buttcoin purse
Apr 24, 2014

mlmp08 posted:

It’s rhetorically bothersome, but Russia can look at the most open of open source reporting and know GMD cannot stop a Russian strategic nuke attack.
Even if it got fixed, and made more effective, and more bases and interceptors were built so the unit price went down (or the unit price stays the same but Mexico pays for it somehow)?

I mean I assume that right now - based on what little I've read - if Russia fired a single ICBM with 10 warheads and 40 decoys at somewhere actually protected by GMD, GMD might just put a tiny dent in the attack, and if there were multiple ICBMs fired, GMD may as well not exist.

Is there something about it that says "this will never be effective" or "this can never be scaled up no matter what those in power would like to think"?

Captain von Trapp
Jan 23, 2006

I don't like it, and I'm sorry I ever had anything to do with it.
Nobody knows, up to and including people who know all the stuff in spooky documents with long banner lines. It is an extremely complicated problem. Ballistic missile defense is arguably in its infancy despite decades of work, and where it will end up is anyone's guess.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Godholio posted:

Enjoy your cold vegetarian omelette. :barf:

When quality of life is awesome, the rare cold MRE is a real shocker.

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless

EvilMerlin posted:

Yeah a bag for you to poo poo in... No, I'm not kidding. Piss tubes exist. One in the flight deck and one in the AEC. But as usual, no use while above 10k feet else bad things.

The piss tubes work fine above 10k; in fact, you want to be up at altitude because they rely on the cabin pressure differential to drain properly. Just make sure it drains completely, otherwise it'll freeze and be a nasty surprise for the next guy.

But yeah, for making GBS threads you carry a garbage bag and Ziploc with you and it's an emergency, "this or in my pants" measure.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

Wingnut Ninja posted:

The piss tubes work fine above 10k; in fact, you want to be up at altitude because they rely on the cabin pressure differential to drain properly. Just make sure it drains completely, otherwise it'll freeze and be a nasty surprise for the next guy.

But yeah, for making GBS threads you carry a garbage bag and Ziploc with you and it's an emergency, "this or in my pants" measure.

Actual question: Do you poo poo in the hellhole or by the front door?

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

DRINK MORE MOXIE


Vahakyla posted:

Plus, after you are done making GBS threads your MOPP suit inside the armored vehicle, or laying in the mud puddle in freezing temps, you don't return to the airport either, you just get the luxury of making GBS threads outside and stretching your legs in the mud.

You go from here: [


To the luxury of this:
Notice how it is kinda not like the airfield BX or the Officer's Mess on the boat.

And I haven't even been to war.

My best friend, a former Canadian infantry sergeant, once told me that the infantry liked how that kind of thing sucked. I took him at his word; there's room for all different kinds under the sun.

...Or in the swamp of their choosing. To each his own.

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Tythas
Oct 3, 2013

Never felt at home in reality
Always hiding behind avatars


Godholio posted:

Enjoy your cold vegetarian omelette. :barf:

Thank god they removed those from the new MRE menus

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