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really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

me, pounding table: no deal! no deal! no deal!

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RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:

Stairmaster posted:

No deal is more likely than ever at this point

Excuse me, you'll see that parliament voted against no deal, multiple times.

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




so after this all turns out to be a giant disaster what erg dipshit will be the first to show up, hat in hand, w an apology and begging for absolution

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!
FREE SCOTLAND :scotland:

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
Is the SNP’s position literally just “the worse things are in the UK; the better the chance for an independent Scotland”?

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


OhFunny posted:

Is the SNP’s position literally just “the worse things are in the UK; the better the chance for an independent Scotland”?

they are 100% remain or nothing i think

and obviously theyre not dumb and are aware if theres no deal independent scotland is inevitable, they cant actually say that though

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Squizzle posted:

so after this all turns out to be a giant disaster what erg dipshit will be the first to show up, hat in hand, w an apology and begging for absolution

none of them

they haven't even acknowledged the massive lies they told about the NHS during the campaign

Ayn Randi
Mar 12, 2009


Grimey Drawer

SKULL.GIF posted:

none of them

they haven't even acknowledged the massive lies they told about the NHS during the campaign

we tell 350m lies about europe a week, let's lie about our nhs instead

Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011
Why aren't the conservatives voting for... anything

They won't vote for may's deal, they won't vote for any of the alternatives, they won't vote for no deal

the gently caress do they want?

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
They want pain.

So they can privatize the National Health Service, the greatest British achievement of the past 100 years.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Grondoth posted:

Why aren't the conservatives voting for... anything

They won't vote for may's deal, they won't vote for any of the alternatives, they won't vote for no deal

the gently caress do they want?

to rock

Ayn Randi
Mar 12, 2009


Grimey Drawer
they want to remain in power and thats about it


doing anything doesn't go so well with that

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Grondoth posted:

Why aren't the conservatives voting for... anything

They won't vote for may's deal, they won't vote for any of the alternatives, they won't vote for no deal

the gently caress do they want?

I think if you nail them down to a position what they want is EU free trade without free movement. This ignores that a lack of freedom of movement requires a hard border in Ireland.


basically they want their cake and to eat it too

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

Grondoth posted:

Why aren't the conservatives voting for... anything

They won't vote for may's deal, they won't vote for any of the alternatives, they won't vote for no deal

the gently caress do they want?

All the benefits of the EU with none of the responsibility and with a chance to keep their racisms.

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



still loling at the gammon letter to the editor from a few pages ago itt where the guy is angry that brexit means that crossing the border will be less convenient

Jollity Farm
Apr 23, 2010

Grondoth posted:

Why aren't the conservatives voting for... anything

They won't vote for may's deal, they won't vote for any of the alternatives, they won't vote for no deal

the gently caress do they want?

They're not seeing the One True Deal they all imagined in their heads, which involves all the benefits of being in the EU (funding, MEP power and salary, greater ease in travelling to Spain for your holiday) and none of the responsibilities (fees, obeying the rules, foreigners being allowed to enter the country even if they're not multi-millionaires, having to actually show up and do your MEP job instead of just appearing on Question Time with your hot takes every Thursday). And they're going to hold their breath until they get their way.

(and I obviously took long enough to type this that I was beaten hugely, but still)

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Jollity Farm posted:

They're not seeing the One True Deal they all imagined in their heads, which involves all the benefits of being in the EU (funding, MEP power and salary, greater ease in travelling to Spain for your holiday) and none of the responsibilities (fees, obeying the rules, foreigners being allowed to enter the country even if they're not multi-millionaires, having to actually show up and do your MEP job instead of just appearing on Question Time with your hot takes every Thursday). And they're going to hold their breath until they get their way.

(and I obviously took long enough to type this that I was beaten hugely, but still)

funny thing is they didn't even have most of those responsibilities, the uk got a shitload of concessions to join the eu in the first place

now they're not getting those concessions back and oops

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Grondoth posted:

Why aren't the conservatives voting for... anything

They won't vote for may's deal, they won't vote for any of the alternatives, they won't vote for no deal

the gently caress do they want?

50% of Brits want an end to free movement of people/no more Poles. That's literally impossible due to how the EU common market is structured and would probably be the end of the EU, if it were ever allowed to happen. Basically, imagine California unilaterally barring all other state citizens from entering the state, but still continuing to move its own services, capital and labor freely around the US. That's what the Brits want and they are never gonna get so here we are in whatever this is.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

A critical piece in understanding all of this from an American perspective is to realize that Poles/Romanians/Bulgarians/Spaniards aren't Whites in the UK. They are like American Mexicans or Canadian Americans or Japanese Koreans or German other Germans

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


the extremely funny part of all this is that white americans would be ecstatic to have poles moving to the country en masse

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


the triply funny part of this is that white americans were loving boiling over about polish people a century and a half ago

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



Grondoth posted:

Why aren't the conservatives voting for... anything

They won't vote for may's deal, they won't vote for any of the alternatives, they won't vote for no deal

the gently caress do they want?

brexit as an idea was about as cohesive as a runny egg; it's no surprise that every single person has a different idea of what it should look like, especially when the person steering the ship keeps banking into the shoals while complaining about the weather

Avirosb
Nov 21, 2016

Everyone makes pisstakes

SKULL.GIF posted:

the triply funny part of this is that white americans were loving boiling over about polish people a century and a half ago

See, that's called progress :smugbert:

kecske
Feb 28, 2011

it's round, like always

Vermain posted:

brexit as an idea was about as cohesive as a runny egg; it's no surprise that every single person has a different idea of what it should look like, especially when the person steering the ship keeps banking into the shoals while complaining about the weather

put this way, Remain was the biggest single voting bloc by a significant margin. Everybody knew what Remain looked like and it was clear what you were voting for. Leave was this ambiguous concept that was pitched in such a way that people interpreted it in the way they wanted. The Leave bloc is fragmented into: leave now with PM's deal, leave now with no deal at all, extend A50 and negotiate for a different deal, etc. all of which are mutually exclusive routes.

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006
england killed itself with the american "upperdown vote" and thats awesome

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug

Grondoth posted:

Why aren't the conservatives voting for... anything

They won't vote for may's deal, they won't vote for any of the alternatives, they won't vote for no deal

the gently caress do they want?
I was reading a while ago about that old question about whether God can make a rock so big he can't lift, and one solution is that God can create such a rock, but then also lift it. It doesn't make any logical sense but that's ok because he's God.

I don't think UK conservatives are God though.

ass cobra
May 28, 2004

by Azathoth
its coming home

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



a state where the democratic part of government no longer functions (formally due to procedural deadlock but the root cause being sabotage and flagrant contempt for democracy) and the nondemocratic part of government assumes all power is the end state of neoliberal governance

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Proposals to avoid crashing the car into the wall
  1. vote to not crash into wall: passed 3 - 0
  2. vote to apply brakes: failed 1 yes - 2 no
  3. vote to turn steering wheel left: failed 1 yes - 2 no
  4. vote to turn steering wheel right: failed 1 yes - 2 no

DONT THREAD ON ME
Oct 1, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Floss Finder

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:

Proposals to avoid crashing the car into the wall
  1. vote to not crash into wall: passed 3 - 0
  2. vote to apply brakes: failed 1 yes - 2 no
  3. vote to turn steering wheel left: failed 1 yes - 2 no
  4. vote to turn steering wheel right: failed 1 yes - 2 no

twitch plays brexit



sorry if that's an old joke i cant follow this thread

SelenicMartian
Sep 14, 2013

Sometimes it's not the bomb that's retarded.

It's a shame Scarfolk has stopped updating.



https://scarfolk.blogspot.com/2017/11/help-britain-charity-film-1971.html

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:

Proposals to avoid crashing the car into the wall
  1. vote to not crash into wall: passed 3 - 0
  2. vote to apply brakes: failed 1 yes - 2 no
  3. vote to turn steering wheel left: failed 1 yes - 2 no
  4. vote to turn steering wheel right: failed 1 yes - 2 no
But the UK voted to crash into the wall two years ago...?

Obliterati
Nov 13, 2012

Pain is inevitable.
Suffering is optional.
Thunderdome is forever.

OhFunny posted:

Is the SNP’s position literally just “the worse things are in the UK; the better the chance for an independent Scotland”?

The Scottish economy is extremely dependent on EU immigration and the customs union only version is something they've been against for two years for this reason, it's not the SNP's job to meet imperial fantastists halfway

E: also the Tories think the exact opposite of this and torpedoed CM for this reason

https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/1112846777147777025

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Opferwurst posted:

A critical piece in understanding all of this from an American perspective is to realize that Poles/Romanians/Bulgarians/Spaniards aren't Whites in the UK. They are like American Mexicans or Canadian Americans or Japanese Koreans or German other Germans

once a certain level of whiteness is reached the whites inevitably start fracturing into tribes, each claiming to be the most caucasian of all

it's part of why fascism always falls apart

jesus WEP
Oct 17, 2004


”For more information please reread” is coincidentally May’s approach to her deal

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Obliterati posted:

The Scottish economy is extremely dependent on EU immigration and the customs union only version is something they've been against for two years for this reason, it's not the SNP's job to meet imperial fantastists halfway

E: also the Tories think the exact opposite of this and torpedoed CM for this reason

https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/1112846777147777025

much like how the usa had to face how it was never the leader of the free world and canada had to face how it's entire government is boring and sucks, the uk has to face that nobody considers it an empire anymore besides the uk

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

What does Leave mean?

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003


the the right flank of the revolution will be 70+ retired railway engineers

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Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/jamesorharry/status/1112848090724220929

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