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LimburgLimbo posted:What you're looking for is expat vs immigrant. Yeah I thought about that when I wrote the post, it's an exaggeration. I know many of us have met several western people who live decent respectable lives in asia but would have suffered pretty bad if they stayed in the west. Whether because they are weirdos or they just picked the wrong major in 2004 or both...
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Apr 2, 2019 06:29
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China's socialism and democracy went to the backburner except for economic advancement which, depending on how you read your marx, is either advanced or regressive to their own aims vs western bourgeois outlooks on both
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Apr 2, 2019 06:32
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:drat they need to start doing some of that socialism then absent any actual information or expertise i strongly suspect this next go-around of global contraction they'll do exactly this
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Apr 2, 2019 06:48
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One Belt One Road, all roads lead to communism *early stage
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Apr 2, 2019 06:54
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this doesn’t seem like a very material analysis
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Apr 2, 2019 11:31
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China is about as socialist as 1950s America You could have quite a lot of socialist people, but generally they're in prison
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Apr 2, 2019 12:21
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So I'm reading the actual link instead of just the headline and this is kind of a poo poo article by Newsweek, discussing second-hand quotes from excerpted translations. I'd like to be able to read the full text translated but I assume that's not presently available. It's still kind of a funny headline tho lol.
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Apr 2, 2019 12:24
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If the the US owned 70% of industry backs in the 1950s, then that would be a valid comparison.
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Apr 2, 2019 12:25
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Ardennes posted:If the the US owned 70% of industry backs in the 1950s, then that would be a valid comparison. De facto yes, actually. "Liberalization" of industry hadn't really started yet and the early 40s were basically a command economy for obvious reasons. Strict ownership no, but lots of command and control and a burgeoning public sector Insane political repression, tho, ofc
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Apr 2, 2019 12:29
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America actually spent money on infrastructures in the 50s. I can see the comparison.
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Apr 2, 2019 12:36
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tino posted:America actually spent money on infrastructures in the 50s. I can see the comparison. And the prospect of actually getting into the next stage of socialism is about as likely as America then They even abdicated their responsibility to feed and house the poor, same as America
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Apr 2, 2019 12:41
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bob dobbs is dead posted:De facto yes, actually. "Liberalization" of industry hadn't really started yet and the early 40s were basically a command economy for obvious reasons. Strict ownership no, but lots of command and control and a burgeoning public sector It isn’t the same thing as the state actually owning industry and also that was during the war. Btw I am actually doubtful China would have been able to industrialize without the hybrid state capitalist model it currently has. It was too late to bootstrap state socialist development ala the Soviet Union. Also China has more recently been reintroducing social systems back into place and the minimum wage has been steadily climbing.
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Apr 2, 2019 12:45
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The new social programs are to the last one neoliberal as all hell, including the structure of the minimum wage
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Apr 2, 2019 12:51
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bob dobbs is dead posted:The new social programs are to the last one neoliberal as all hell, including the structure of the minimum wage Explain how it is more neoliberal than the US, considering our federal minimum wage is 7.25 and in many wages doesn’t apply to entire classes of workers. Also these reforms happened largely more recently as relations with the West have largely declined. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 13:00 on Apr 2, 2019 |
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Apr 2, 2019 12:56
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Ardennes posted:Explain how it is more neoliberal than the US, considering our federal minimum wage is 7.25 and in many wages doesn’t apply to entire classes of workers. Each minimum wage is set by smaller polities with like a 3x range across the country. But more importantly just like in America it's not a living wage and in the T1's laughably not even close due to insane speculation on necessities Rental yield is 2% or lower in the top t1 cities, so the speculation is basically akin to a stock with 50x p/e or more. Getting into pump and dump scheme heights Only you don't need stocks to be a functioning member of society bob dobbs is dead has issued a correction as of 13:18 on Apr 2, 2019 |
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Apr 2, 2019 13:06
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It isn’t one, but is it actually more neoliberal? Then you have the other aspect of obviously state intervention which the US doesn’t really have any more or never had. :
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Apr 2, 2019 13:32
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Ardennes posted:It isn’t one, but is it actually more neoliberal? Then you have the other aspect of obviously state intervention which the US doesn’t really have any more or never had. State intervention for private profit is the centerpiece of neoliberalism Mysteriously, almost every descendant of the Long Marchers is loving rich. Just mysteriously
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Apr 2, 2019 13:36
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the fact that the ruling party still insists upon basing its legitimacy on socialist ideology gives me some hope that eventually public pressure will grow heavy enough for them to do... something
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Apr 2, 2019 13:41
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probably something bad
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Apr 2, 2019 13:42
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 https://i.imgur.com/dCfe3Lj.jpg
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Apr 2, 2019 13:43
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yeah... but the thing is that you really can't do that too many times before you get a civil war
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Apr 2, 2019 13:46
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Kurnugia posted:yeah... but the thing is that you really can't do that too many times before you get a civil war Therefore, my guess is a civil war in a bit that they won't call a civil war to save face
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Apr 2, 2019 13:47
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bob dobbs is dead posted:State intervention for private profit is the centerpiece of neoliberalism The princelins have to make money with the state, they can't take over a vertical industry and make money on their own and disregard the state interest. That's a big difference. America let a few industries such as fire arm and corn take over the state policies. It's a big difference and you shouldn't call them by the same name. Externally, State capitalism also behave differently in international geopolitics.
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Apr 2, 2019 13:49
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The princelings are the state They have completely disregarded the previous state interest by replacing the state interest with whatever makes them profit When you see Bo Xilais dying in prison its other princelings sending them there, like Theranos or Enron but instead of fraud it's leftism America can sabre rattle better because our sabres are bigger. That's it for the cause of the differences bob dobbs is dead has issued a correction as of 13:55 on Apr 2, 2019 |
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Apr 2, 2019 13:50
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Lightning Knight posted:So I'm reading the actual link instead of just the headline and this is kind of a poo poo article by Newsweek, discussing second-hand quotes from excerpted translations. I'd like to be able to read the full text translated but I assume that's not presently available. full speech you lose some stuff in auto-translation but it works well enough. it's a good speech that accurately sums up the difficulties of socialist construction in a world dominated by capital
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Apr 2, 2019 14:10
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bob dobbs is dead posted:State intervention for private profit is the centerpiece of neoliberalism It isn’t the same as the entire state itself being completely hollowed out as in the United States. If anything the princelings need a strong state to exist and to keep the system going. They have skin in the game. They may back stab each other, but the state itself remains a unitary entity unlike whatever corporation carves it a piece for itself. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 14:21 on Apr 2, 2019 |
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Apr 2, 2019 14:19
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R. Guyovich posted:full speech ty goon sir
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Apr 2, 2019 14:22
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Then you've got Chinese wealth flight out of China. A ton of property speculation on the west coast is largely wealthy Chinese trying to offshore their money.
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Apr 2, 2019 14:34
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Grapplejack posted:Then you've got Chinese wealth flight out of China. A ton of property speculation on the west coast is largely wealthy Chinese trying to offshore their money. Hmm, seems... not too compatible with the statement that the chinese elite have skin in the game? 
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Apr 2, 2019 14:48
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Grapplejack posted:Then you've got Chinese wealth flight out of China. A ton of property speculation on the west coast is largely wealthy Chinese trying to offshore their money. Yes all the "cool" cities are getting their property price pushed up by the Chinese middle class money. Better get in on the action if you live in one of those cities.
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Apr 2, 2019 14:48
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stupid question: is it China's responsibility to stop their own citizens from doing all that?
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Apr 2, 2019 14:52
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gradenko_2000 posted:stupid question: is it China's responsibility to stop their own citizens from doing all that? They have extraordinary measures to prevent capital flight already The 1/5 dip in foreign reserves on the chart that someone posted a while back was due to someone figuring out a couple ways to bypass this and exfiltrating a truly ridiculous amount of money out of the prc, which meant they had to spend lots of their foreign reserves to deal with it
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Apr 2, 2019 14:55
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R. Guyovich posted:full speech  "Leaving the real work and talking about lofty ideals is not a qualified Communist."
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Apr 2, 2019 15:04
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Imo you gotta hang up the communism card after your familys net worth exceeds usd 100 million
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Apr 2, 2019 15:22
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That guy who owned and bankrupted "LeEco" and ran to America to "invested" in Faraday Future for billions and has nothing to show for, that's an example of private sector capital flight. That fact that he is such an obvious scam artist and still getting other people to invest in his venture means he is laundering money for other rich people too.
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Apr 2, 2019 15:30
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bob dobbs is dead posted:Hmm, seems... not too compatible with the statement that the chinese elite have skin in the game? Skin the game compare to dismantling the entire state apparatus as in the former Soviet Union, shock therapy is different than standard corruption. The leadership of the PRC wants the state to stay around. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 16:20 on Apr 2, 2019 |
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Apr 2, 2019 16:15
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Kurnugia posted:the fact that the ruling party still insists upon basing its legitimacy on socialist ideology gives me some hope that eventually public pressure will grow heavy enough for them to do... something what do you think Xi's anti-corruption campaign is
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Apr 2, 2019 16:40
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Typo posted:what do you think Xi's anti-corruption campaign is i have no idea, but i know its gonna be good and eggy
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Apr 2, 2019 16:47
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Typo posted:what do you think Xi's anti-corruption campaign is Excuse to gulag actual leftists
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Apr 2, 2019 16:51
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I was under the impression that the arrests of students and other political activists were done under the guise of their political agitation, while the anti-corruption arrests were targeted against the rich, which would seemingly not make those people leftists in the first place.
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Apr 2, 2019 17:04
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