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how can you not beam while the shields are up but you can shoot phasers (energy) and torpedos (matter) through them no problem
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Thom12255 posted:how can you not beam while the shields are up but you can shoot phasers (energy) and torpedos (matter) through them no problem What the gently caress. How is this the first time I've ever heard of this inconsistency. It's so obvious and I literally have never seen anyone bring it up.
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Apr 2, 2019 14:08
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:What the gently caress. How is this the first time I've ever heard of this inconsistency. It's so obvious and I literally have never seen anyone bring it up. I'm kinda feeling like I need to take a walk over this because yeah holy poo poo
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Apr 2, 2019 14:12
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Signal loss is a bigger problem for transport. Edit:. Nope, doesn't explain torpedoes. Alternatively, the shields are aware of where outgoing disruptions will occur and open that locus temporarily. Edit: ah, that should work for transport. Brawnfire fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Apr 2, 2019 |
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Apr 2, 2019 14:19
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Wait, they could transport the torpedoes to just outside the shield. Wait, no, poo poo, that doesn't work.
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Apr 2, 2019 14:24
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It works because it works.
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Apr 2, 2019 14:24
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Drone posted:It works because it works. Until it doesn't.
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Apr 2, 2019 14:28
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Frequencies. Or, like, you can open little holes in force fields, maybe you can do it with shields for the guns, but that's not enough for a transporter because transporters are big and complex.
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Apr 2, 2019 14:28
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Yeah, I was thinking frequencies, but what are the torpedoes doing? Just cancelling out the local shielding at point of contact? And then I seem to recall finding out an enemy shield's frequency allowing beam-thru, but I may be misremembering.
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Apr 2, 2019 14:36
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Brawnfire posted:Yeah, I was thinking frequencies, but what are the torpedoes doing? Just cancelling out the local shielding at point of contact? Torpedos have a frequency, presumably something to do with the big glow they have - the klingons set their torpedo frequencies to blow up the Enterprise D. quote:And then I seem to recall finding out an enemy shield's frequency allowing beam-thru, but I may be misremembering. Yeah they do that a few times too. Weird they didn't use it to beam through their own shields before that trick came up, although later in Voyager it was treated as given that they could except when they couldn't. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Apr 2, 2019 |
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Apr 2, 2019 14:43
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Maybe it's also an issue of time? Like it may only take half a second or less for a torpedo or phaser to pass through the shields whereas they'd have to have the shields down for longer for a transporter beam. Or  something something ionic interference
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Apr 2, 2019 14:45
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If Starfleet would simply adopt a multple directional shield generator system they could drop a shield on one side of the ship while the enemy was on the other and do all the beaming they desired. Like in First Conta...
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Apr 2, 2019 14:52
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EvilTaytoMan posted:Maybe it's also an issue of time? Like it may only take half a second or less for a torpedo or phaser to pass through the shields whereas they'd have to have the shields down for longer for a transporter beam. For the beaming they have to wait for Picard or Riker to pause dramatically, order the transport verbally, exchange pensive looks with other bridge crew, verbally contact the transporter room, ask if they made it, exchange relieved or distraught looks with bridge crew, then verbally order the shields back up.
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Apr 2, 2019 14:54
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I would be willing to shoot a gun or shine a flashlight through a lot of things I wouldn't put my head through Transporters work the same way
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Apr 2, 2019 14:57
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Transporter signals are way more complicated than phasers. If your phaser gets noisy passing through your shields, it's way less of a deal than if your Captain gets, uh, noisy. As for torpedoes, perhaps the shields are one-way permeable.
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Apr 2, 2019 15:20
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They shoot through their shields via an application of the Survig effect (c.f. Survig & Hapley 2132) on energy fields to allow for localised monodirectional passage via polaric manipulation. 👍
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Apr 2, 2019 15:23
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It's literally a plot point a couple times (esp. in Generations) that someone spoofing your shield frequencies means you basically have no shields as far as their weapons are concerned. I assume it doesn't work with transporters for ~~~reasons~~~
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Agnosticnixie posted:It's literally a plot point a couple times (esp. in Generations) that someone spoofing your shield frequencies means you basically have no shields as far as their weapons are concerned. I assume it doesn't work with transporters for ~~~reasons~~~ I have to assume that the reasons are that transporters are way tolerant of interference than torpedoes or phasers. You don't sync the phase just right and the other ship ends up with a half-living pile of pudding screaming in mortal agony.
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You'd want the high point of your phaser signal to hit the shield in the correct phase to not be nullified. So 180° out is the worst place to be as an attacker and the best for defense, it has the highest interference on the same frequency. I think you, as a defender, would want to actually have three shields at the same frequency but 120° out of phase with the others so there's not only never a zero point to fire through but also a constant opposition to whatever is slung at you, even if that zero point would be measured in, like, a billionth of a second. Single or multiphase, though, as an attacker, your phaser beam has to have vastly more energy to prevent all of your attack from vanishing in the interference and still do damage. And because lasers are subject to the inverse-square law, if you're too far away your phaser's power cannot possibly be strong enough to escape the shield interference effect without your weapon generating so much power that it fries you in turn. But then, still, how do you fire through your own shields? I think you'd have no choice but to open a window, frankly. I'm no engineer, though, just an electrician, so if I've missed or misinterpreted something in that and any of y'all know better, let me know. It's a fun thought exercise!
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Apr 2, 2019 16:20
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Ghost Leviathan posted:They literally get called 'goblins' in the show. that would make ferengi just more vulcans and that hardly makes sense
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Apr 2, 2019 16:28
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You can shoot through the shields because you have the frequency. You can't transport through the shields because, even with the frequency, it fucks with the signal.
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Apr 2, 2019 16:36
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What if you used some kind of tetreon pulse
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Apr 2, 2019 16:38
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What if you hotwired the teleporters to the holodeck power grid and shot the beam through the deflector
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Apr 2, 2019 16:40
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Wow this page has been a rollercoaster. I was worried for a moment that the science in Star Trek might not make any sense.
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Apr 2, 2019 16:41
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:What if you used some kind of tetreon pulse she's givin' it all she's got cap'n, we dinnae have the power for a tetreon pulse
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Apr 2, 2019 16:41
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Tunicate posted:she's givin' it all she's got cap'n, we dinnae have the power for a tetreon pulse What if we patched in power from the shuttles
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Apr 2, 2019 16:44
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marktheando posted:Wow this page has been a rollercoaster. I was worried for a moment that the science in Star Trek might not make any sense. Right? Luckily I was bored enough to write an effortpost to ground the space-magic firmly in reality. You can donate to my Patreon for more """quality""" overthinking like this.
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Apr 2, 2019 16:46
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thotsky posted:You can shoot through the shields because you have the frequency. You can't transport through the shields because, even with the frequency, it fucks with the signal. Except when Saru beamed down to a planet when the shields were up a few weeks ago on Discovery, and numerous other occasions.
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Apr 2, 2019 16:49
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Sarus body is comprised of slippery molecules that can squeeze right through shields, like water off a ducks back
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Apr 2, 2019 17:00
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:What if you used some kind of tetreon pulse We tried but there's some kind of resistance, some kind of antitetreon field. I'm attempting some kind of workaround through some kind of some kind of some kind of relay.
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Apr 2, 2019 17:10
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They added dark matter to the quantum phase inducers which allowed them to overclock the hiesenburg compensators. This happened offscreen, obviously, but you cranky nerds would have just complained about if they had said it on screen
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Apr 2, 2019 17:12
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Brawnfire posted:We tried but there's some kind of resistance, some kind of antitetreon field. I'm attempting some kind of workaround through some kind of some kind of some kind of relay. Just reroute power through the secondary field coil. Didn't they teach you that at the academy?
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Apr 2, 2019 17:12
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Kibbles n Shits posted:Just reroute power through the secondary field coil. Didn't they teach you that at the academy? I'll have to reroute through tertiary, there's a cascade neutrino failure in the interstitial matrix!!????
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Apr 2, 2019 17:18
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Sarus body is comprised of slippery molecules that can squeeze right through shields, like water off a ducks back Now I’m imagining he’s got no bones, just cartilage, which fits, honestly.
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Apr 2, 2019 17:32
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I'm going to augment my posting with Borg algorithms
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Apr 2, 2019 17:35
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Sash! posted:I'm going to augment my posting with Borg algorithms *posts John Galt speech in binary*
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The_Doctor posted:Now I’m imagining he’s got no bones, just cartilage, which fits, honestly. his skin is perfectly smooth, like a shark
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Nodosaur posted:did Nana Visitor and Alexander Siddig's divorce end messily or are they still on good terms? Because I'm noticing Kira and Bashir have really good understated chemistry and it'd be really sad if their actors didn't get along anymore. Page ago but they seem to be still on great terms. Nana's twitter will always mention how excited she is to hang out with him when ever they're in the same town and they do things with their adult son frequently too. Sucks the relationship didn't last though. When ever I'm reading a wiki on some actor it's always such a shock to see only a single entry for spouse. Something about actors, specially male actors, having like 4+ spouse listings, generally all the same age too of course. John D. Actor Spouse: Some same-aged lady not involved in hollywood: 1978-1990 (2 children) Spouse: A fellow actor at a similar place in her career or successful producer or something: 1990-1997 (2 children) Spouse: A fairly popular newish actor 10 years his junior: 1998-2002 (1 child) Spouse: Model turned actor, 15 years his junior: 2002-2008 Spouse: Mildly popular indie musician and aspiring actress, 25 years his junior: 2010-2011 That pattern is just grossly common. I love it when any famous person has been with a single spouse their whole career, double if they got married before either were famous.
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