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Harrow posted:I'm also not a huge fan of that. I'm all for a play style that has a lot going on, but I generally recoil from the jobs that feel like they just have a bunch of things thrown in just so that there are more things for a player to screw up. For example, a lot of the DoTs or +5% damage self=buffs that DPS jobs have just feel totally unnecessary and like they're just there to give you more timers to keep track of. For SMN, DoTs are a core part of how you play, so they're cool, but did SAM really need a DoT? Does MNK? That's the kind of thing I wonder about and wonder if they'll ever scale back on as they revise the jobs/battle system with each expansion. Most of the simple 1-button, DoT and forget attacks have been removed which seems like a good idea to me. A couple one button maintenance actions are still around like heavy thrust, which I'm neutral with. The SAM DoT, though, I find an integral part of the rotation mechanics and think it's one of the better ones. It's not an ability that you just hit after every other rotation. Using it has an opportunity and resource cost. It's flexible around high SS or low SS builds, as you can modify your rotation to fit it in well either way. A lot of the other ones like DRG and MNK just happen as a result of doing your 2 or 3 rotation sets properly, and I still find them positive additions. In the MNK case, it's the stronger hit from the stance, but you need to let the dot tick. You don't need to really think about them, since you just alternate combos with DRG and have 3, I think, sets you do with MNK in order each time.
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For the record, MNK has three 18 second timers to keep track of on their GCD, and then 30, 40, 60, and 90 for oGCDs. I find it to be fun, fast, and engaging. vOv You can nominally do the right rotations and remember to hit your oGCDs and wind up doing enough damage that is 100% satisfactory for completing content. It’s kind of difficult for any DPS job to not hit 4.5kish DPS unless if you’re not nothing doing your rotation at all. Clipping your DOTs, debuffs, or buffs isn’t the end of the world; however, you’re leaving 2-3k DPS on the table. Yes, it’s ultimately plate spinning, but all of the classes have different rotations and timers to keep track of, and therefore different speeds and play styles. The classes also provide different utility for groups depending on your composition. Phone fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Apr 2, 2019 |
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Ciaphas posted:I like playing WHM but feeling absolutely responsible for wipes (and it sometimes actually being true This is how I feel too playing WHM. I'm nearing the end of the HW content and it feels like I'm dying once per dungeon because, well, these are the first time I'm doing these, and it sucks when it happens. On the other hand, it makes the ones I complete the first time without wiping feel awesome. Overall I'm finding pugs to be pretty chill as well though; I die, we wipe, I apologise and they're like "it's cool, we'll get it this time," and then we do. Have met a lot of tanks who are also pretty upfront if they weren't on top of something and it got me killed too. I always try to communicate with the tank; the groups where the tank is talkative are the ones that usually get done without anyone dying since we're all on the the same page. I will also admit the responsibility is worth putting up with for sub-5-minute queues.
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Bruteman posted:This is how I feel too playing WHM. I'm nearing the end of the HW content and it feels like I'm dying once per dungeon because, well, these are the first time I'm doing these, and it sucks when it happens. On the other hand, it makes the ones I complete the first time without wiping feel awesome. Keep at it, attitudes like yours are always refreshing. The community of FFXIV is great but you still run into a lot of douchey people in dungeons and raids so never stop being positive.
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Harrow posted:That's one of those things that I sometimes feel like is an intentional choice that's meant to add complexity for the sake of complexity. In this case, it's adding another potential point of failure to the rotation, a thing that you can forget to do and as a result not do as well. I think the big issue is that complexity usually needs a good payoff to make you want to do it, and in the case of machinist there's really not much. They're bound to the DPS they do because bard exists, barely doing more personal DPS. I really never cared too much to find out how they compare with raid DPS because of that. Another big aspect of those things you keep up is for MOST jobs they're a meaningful part of your rotation. All of monks upkeep will happen naturally from moving between the different routes of your combo. The timing of them gives you a sort of alternating rotation where you should end up reapplying everything as they're coming off. When it works out you don't ever feel like you're having to remember to keep it up because it feels much more natural. For MCH you have to use hot shot every 60 seconds (making it easy to forget as it has no other interaction), keep your turret out and in the right position (easy to forget because of how little interaction you have with it after the first placement), and keep gauss barrel on when overheat takes it off (really easy to forget because that's the only reason it's an active now). Gauss barrel used to also have an actual big and noticeable effect with turning off your autos and adding a cast time. I feel like if that was still a thing with heat it probably wouldn't feel as superfluous, but a lot of people are happy that there's no cast times anymore.
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Verranicus posted:Keep at it, attitudes like yours are always refreshing. The community of FFXIV is great but you still run into a lot of douchey people in dungeons and raids so never stop being positive. 
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Verranicus posted:Keep at it, attitudes like yours are always refreshing. The community of FFXIV is great but you still run into a lot of douchey people in dungeons and raids so never stop being positive. One of my favorite things, when i'm running LDR and get a sprout tank, is coaching them and pointing out things they may not know. As soon as I mention that I have all the tanks at 70, they're usually willing to listen even if they're a little reticent at first. I try not to be condescending and just try to teach them stuff, like that Provoke doesn't work the way it does in a lot of MMOs, that running through mobs and spinning is a good way to pull, and that keeping monsters still makes melee DPS' life easier when its possible. I always try to link them to the tank guide image that's been floating around for ages and is still regularly updates, here:  Only very rarely does anyone get upset about a little coaching, and more often than not I'll get a few comms as DPS for being so mentor-y (I do not and never will have a crown).
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Oh, that tank swap bit is so loving out of date. It was out of date from SB launch, and it's still gonna get people killed when they do snek (incidentally, I only just recently found out, Seiryu sounds like a snekdad in EN VA, whereas all this time I've been calling him snekboi because he sounds like an adolescent in JP VA.) Most of the rest of it is sound, though, excepting a few bits. Off the top of my head, you want to also park mobs into Earthly Star as well as standing it in it yourself, because when it detonates, it also does damage to enemies. SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Apr 2, 2019 |
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Marathanes posted:One of my favorite things, when i'm running LDR and get a sprout tank, is coaching them and pointing out things they may not know. As soon as I mention that I have all the tanks at 70, they're usually willing to listen even if they're a little reticent at first. I try not to be condescending and just try to teach them stuff, like that Provoke doesn't work the way it does in a lot of MMOs, that running through mobs and spinning is a good way to pull, and that keeping monsters still makes melee DPS' life easier when its possible. I always try to link them to the tank guide image that's been floating around for ages and is still regularly updates, here: Yeah, some brief and friendly advice is rarely shouted down and the types that get butthurt over it are usually pricks anyway. It's when people have an attitude about it (intended or not) that parties start turning on each other. Thankfully I stick to DPS so I'm usually in the background but there've been a few times when my wife (primarily heals) and I would be running something new to her and people would be total shitters if she made a mistake or didn't know a mechanic the first time around. That sort of crap doesn't help anyone.
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Leveling whm is probably the most fun I've had in ffxiv tbh. You're just a god in 4 man content
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:Most of the simple 1-button, DoT and forget attacks have been removed which seems like a good idea to me. A couple one button maintenance actions are still around like heavy thrust, which I'm neutral with. The SAM DoT, though, I find an integral part of the rotation mechanics and think it's one of the better ones. It's not an ability that you just hit after every other rotation. Using it has an opportunity and resource cost. It's flexible around high SS or low SS builds, as you can modify your rotation to fit it in well either way. Dryzen posted:Another big aspect of those things you keep up is for MOST jobs they're a meaningful part of your rotation. All of monks upkeep will happen naturally from moving between the different routes of your combo. The timing of them gives you a sort of alternating rotation where you should end up reapplying everything as they're coming off. When it works out you don't ever feel like you're having to remember to keep it up because it feels much more natural. Both of you make really good points and yeah, I think you're right. The SAM and MNK DoTs, in particular, I shouldn't have called out--you're right that they end up being a natural part of the combo rotation. In fact, that's something I like a lot about both of those classes. They both have a really nice flow to them because of how their combos link together. I'm particularly a fan of MNK's branching combos driven by stances instead of a strict Ability 1 -> Ability 2 -> Ability 3 progression. The jobs I struggle with most really are the ranged physical DPS ones, BRD and MCH. BRD, in particular, feels needlessly complex to me. I acknowledge that's probably just me, though. It's nice that you can refresh both DoTs together, but I still don't like having to keep track of DoTs, a self-buff, and multiple different sets of procs based on which song you're currently singing, along with a bunch of oGCDs unrelated to procs, while also trying to remember that I have support abilities I should be using to make things easier on the tank and healers. The problem I have there, I think, is that while SAM and MNK have their combos as a sort of "guide" towards the correct rotation, BRD doesn't, and the whole thing just feels hectic to me in an unpleasant way. That's probably just me, though, and I also definitely wouldn't want every job to be as straightforward as RDM.
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BRD is actually pretty straightforward imo. Toss up your crit buff, throw up your dots, sing a song, then spam heavy shot, pressing other buttons as they light up. Only mage's requires that you pay attention to procs to minimize wasted refreshes since army's just passively speeds up your gcd and wanderer's makes a pretty distinct sound when you should hit pitch perfect. Plus the crit buff and your dots have the same duration by 64, so they wind up effectively just being one timer to keep track of.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Oh, that tank swap bit is so loving out of date.  It's good enough for the non-progression raiding population, and it's good enough to teach newbies the basics. Some mechanics can't be easily generalized, so yeah you have to pick them up as you go, but I've never had much trouble tank swapping in the few cases, where its even needed anymore in casual content, by doing pretty much exactly what's listed there. That said, I've also never done current tier EX content / savage raiding, so, it's me, the well meaning, non-progression casual that represents the vast majority of the population.
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Poops Mcgoots posted:BRD is actually pretty straightforward imo. Toss up your crit buff, throw up your dots, sing a song, then spam heavy shot, pressing other buttons as they light up. Only mage's requires that you pay attention to procs to minimize wasted refreshes since army's just passively speeds up your gcd and wanderer's makes a pretty distinct sound when you should hit pitch perfect. Plus the crit buff and your dots have the same duration by 64, so they wind up effectively just being one timer to keep track of. It being straightforward doesn't mean it's not a lot of stuff. It's what keeps me from really enjoying bard. Main reason I'm excited for SHB is the possibility of a physical ranged DPS I actually like to play, and after samurai and red mage I think they'll nail it.
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BRD is one of those classes where it pays to pull one of your abilities out on a big button so you can be sure that you're hitting it on cd. The support abilities are definitely a whole other thing to think about but the good news is that you can basically just throw them on the tank or healer or use on refresh and be in the quintile.
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I leveled MCH from 30 to 51 in the past couple weeks. I expected to dislike it from all the hate, but I rather enjoy it? I have SCH/SMN and DRK at 70 and do normal raids as a SCH. It's somewhat simpler than SMN and yet still engaging unlike RDM for me. I am excited for a complete overhaul in ShB though. It has a very clunky feel that can certainly be smoothed out.
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SonicRulez posted:Everybody should read tool tips. The Suiton one is very clear. It's clear now, but before they changed it, Suiton's tooltip just said "Grants Suiton". If you didn't scroll over the buff icon after using it, you'd have no idea what that actually meant. Which is why Suiton was changed to actually tell you what it does.
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My only gripe as I'm levelling WHM now is that Divine Benison eats up your lilies. I want to give my tank a shield pre-pull and have reduced CDs on my Assize/Asylum!
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I really hope the updates make WHM fun. I can't bring myself to level it and its loving up all my healer cheevos
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MCH unlocks gauss barrel and heat at 52, you haven't hit the worst stage yet. But you unlock overheating next level; heated shots at 64 to really use heat for anything, 66 to regulate it somewhat reliably and 70 to hit overheat at-will.
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Leveling crafting classes on an alt character. CUL is a gently caress, 410,757,864,530 occupied inventory slots
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Leal posted:Leveling crafting classes on an alt character. Please seek professional help 
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I did a LLDR as Dark Knight after not playing it for months and I didn't realize I had Darkside off until halfway through please kill me
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Blockhouse posted:I did a LLDR as Dark Knight after not playing it for months and I didn't realize I had Darkside off until halfway through It's okay. That's just your brain desperately trying to stop processing that awful red aura.
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Any tips/tools for completing fishing log and crafting log? Besides not doing it
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DontMindMe posted:Any tips/tools for tackling fishing log and crafting log? Do your homework and have a lot of free time, a lot of collectibles/high level stuff is time gated.
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DontMindMe posted:Any tips/tools for completing fishing log and crafting log? orcane posted:Please seek professional help
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Impermanent posted:I really hope the updates make WHM fun. I can't bring myself to level it and its loving up all my healer cheevos Just get to level 45 and it's a bunch of fun
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After finding most of the DPS classes in the game "okay" at best -- like some others have posted, a lot of them have what feels to me like "plate spinning for the sake of having plate spinning" -- I've really taken to Dragoon. So many of its attacks are just fun to use, and the extra mind-game of "this might kill me if I press it at the wrong time" is pretty fun. Add an extra dose of mobility and the ability to burst pretty hard and it's a great package. Everything feels like it has a real purpose. Still leveling, but I think I actually like it more than tanking, and it might become my secret main with WAR and PLD just for queues... (I have RDM at 70 too but only for soloing things.)
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DontMindMe posted:Any tips/tools for completing fishing log and crafting log? Crafting log is pretty straightforwardly just going though and checking off everything. Note that there's a bunch of 50-starred stuff that actually counts for completion and requires mats from unspoiled nodes, so start gathering darksteel ore/gold ore/silkworm cocoon now. http://www.ffxiv-gathering.com/20.php is your friend. You're also going to need approximately a billion granite for housing items; hope you have a mining retainer. HW crafting is also pretty awful in terms of having to gather lots of hidden/timed mats. If you're just going for the glowy tools you get to skip ~10 items per class; use this to avoid some of the glam/housing items that have expensive mats. If you plan on doing alchemist you're going to need to deal with all the items made with flowers; if you grow them yourself it'll take several weeks. Assuming you go slow enough or have enough retainer+inventory space to hang on to housing/glamour items long enough for them to sell in slow markets, you will probably come out gil-neutral or gil-positive, especially if you can also desynth things, but expect to have to spend ~5-10 million gil initially even if you're doing almost all the gathering yourself. For fishing log bounce around between https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Category:Fishing_Log, http://ff14angler.com, and http://ff14fish.carbuncleplushy.com. You will need to do both big fishing and spearfishing, unfortunately. jalapeno_dude fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Apr 3, 2019 |
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jalapeno_dude posted:Crafting log is pretty straightforwardly just going though and checking off everything. Note that there's a bunch of 50-starred stuff that actually counts for completion and requires mats from unspoiled nodes, so start gathering darksteel ore/gold ore/silkworm cocoon now. http://www.ffxiv-gathering.com/20.php is your friend. You're also going to need approximately a billion granite for housing items; hope you have a mining retainer. HW crafting is also pretty awful in terms of having to gather lots of hidden/timed mats. If you're just going for the glowy tools you get to skip ~10 items per class; use this to avoid some of the glam/housing items that have expensive mats. If you plan on doing alchemist you're going to need to deal with all the items made with flowers; if you grow them yourself it'll take several weeks. Assuming you go slow enough or have enough retainer+inventory space to hang on to housing/glamour items long enough for them to sell in slow markets, you will probably come out gil-neutral or gil-positive, especially if you can also desynth things, but expect to have to spend ~5-10 million gil initially even if you're doing almost all the gathering yourself. Thanks for info. If I read correctly, I don't need to worry about mastery items. Are there any other sections that can be ignored?
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You know, leveling crafters 1-50 isn't actually all that bad if you got several hundred thousand grand saved up. NPCs sell basically everything that is also used in leve turn ins, and the leve gil payouts can help defray the costs. Sure you aren't ~*~maximizing~*~ your xp with HQ turn ins, but if you're below 50 you aren't likely to be HQ'ing your crafts anyways. All my proceeds from the hilariously inflated silver ore prices is covering this E: Except for loving CULINARY  E2: Linen chausses ran me 2,055 gil. Leve paid out 414 gil for 41k xp. That was roughly a third of my xp bar, so nearly 5k to go from 32-33. Sometimes you get 5 flax as a reward, and those are going for 250 gil a pop. Suddenly that leve ran you just under 400 gil. Leal fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Apr 3, 2019 |
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And yet every time I tell goons to open their wallets to level crafters they get mad at me. If I was these goons, I would simply stop being poor, allowing me to buy my way to max level.
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Harrow posted:That's one of those things that I sometimes feel like is an intentional choice that's meant to add complexity for the sake of complexity. In this case, it's adding another potential point of failure to the rotation, a thing that you can forget to do and as a result not do as well. Frankly, I doubt it was an intentional choice to that degree. I'm sure at least 80% of the logic behind that was "Gauss Barrel was a big thing in Heavensward, and we have the whole fancy graphic and everything already, so what can we do with it now that we're reworking MCH for Stormblood?" If it hadn't been for its value as a "legacy button" it probably would've just been a passive trait. Enochian is a little similar for BLM. Originally conceived of as a separate buff you have to keep up with Blizzard 4, it was later revamped to always be up as long as you don't drop out of Astral Fire/Umbral Ice entirely. The penalty for letting it drop off was also given to Foul. So... why does it still need to be a button? It's a buff you will have on 100% of the time. It has no real reason to exist anymore, but since it was originally an active skill they're reluctant to demote it to passive. Clarste fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Apr 3, 2019 |
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Bleu posted:And yet every time I tell goons to open their wallets to level crafters they get mad at me. If I was these goons, I would simply stop being poor, allowing me to buy my way to max level. I realize saying "multiple 100k" sounds bad, but this was with an alt in the low 60s and the proceeds from selling quest rewards. But you wont even need that much, I'm sure you could do it with 20k start up funds. Buy 99 of lumber, ingots, cloth and leather from all the guild NPCs and do completion until about level 20 then start doing leves and buying the turn ins. E: Once you hit 25-30 gsm and miner you can practically buy a level by making a single silver ingot. Thank you Yoshi P for never putting silver ore or ingots on NPCs, also gently caress you for not putting dew thread in the sylph shop.
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Xalidur posted:After finding most of the DPS classes in the game "okay" at best -- like some others have posted, a lot of them have what feels to me like "plate spinning for the sake of having plate spinning" -- I've really taken to Dragoon. So many of its attacks are just fun to use, and the extra mind-game of "this might kill me if I press it at the wrong time" is pretty fun. Add an extra dose of mobility and the ability to burst pretty hard and it's a great package. Everything feels like it has a real purpose. Yup, my tanks are also only for queues, going to main dancer when it comes out. Also, anyone have an fc with space for another person on midgardsormr? I just got back into the game.
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Leal posted:I realize saying "multiple 100k" sounds bad, but this was with an alt in the low 60s and the proceeds from selling quest rewards. But you wont even need that much, I'm sure you could do it with 20k start up funds. Buy 99 of lumber, ingots, cloth and leather from all the guild NPCs and do completion until about level 20 then start doing leves and buying the turn ins. Shards are what's making on my server. 600k for 3 to 5 thousand and hardly anyone is selling small stacks and if they are, they are {smartly} pricing them over the bulks.
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