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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:A lot earlier than the iPhone actually. Even back in the 90s Apple consistently called programs 'applications' and encouraged that because Apple and application start with the same sound. Even on Windows or other OS's application has been an acceptable synonym for program but since the iPhone it's become pretty universal. Weirdly so in some cases - I once showed my cousins the contents of one of my external hard drives and there was a folder called Apps which just had a bunch of random programs in it, but they assumed it was iPhone apps/games. Also see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacApp I don't know if it was as cynical a thing as "Application sounds like Apple". They always placed a lot of emphasis on terminology and making computers seem humane and not mysterious and goofy nerd objects. "Motherboard" was "logic board", as the most stubborn example. Also I'm pretty sure they called the serial port a "communications port", even though I recall their Apple II family manuals had carefully illustrated chapters explaining the difference between serial and parallel. "Program" sounded too much like a thing you would feed into a UNIVAC with a punch card or whatever; whereas an "application" was something anyone might do as part of their day. Similarly they abhorred stuff like having an app be made up of a whole folder full of "program files" that you would have to dig through to find the "executable" one to run; an app was supposed to be a single, friendly, self-contained object that you could keep anywhere and not have to think of the word "files" in relation to it. Data Graham has a new favorite as of 13:37 on Mar 30, 2019 |
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I remember making the mistake of raging about the shift from Programs to Apps in front of a dude who worked at Microsoft in the 1980s, and he was like "we always called them apps back then," glanced at me, and sipped his drink, and I knew I had been utterly owned
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Mar 30, 2019 18:02
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We called them applications or productivity apps when I was as MS in the early 90s. What became the Office division was Desktop Applications Division
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Mar 30, 2019 20:25
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Everyone knows that Appz + Gamez = Warez
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Mar 30, 2019 21:04
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Data Graham posted:Also I'm pretty sure they called the serial port a "communications port", even though I recall their Apple II family manuals had carefully illustrated chapters explaining the difference between serial and parallel.
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Mar 30, 2019 21:05
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Lol @ writing "apple //" or "apple ][" in loving 2019
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Mar 30, 2019 22:18
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-=[XxX]=-~APPLE2~-=[XxX]=-
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Regular Nintendo posted:Lol @ writing "apple //" or "apple ][" in loving 2019 LOL @ being Regular Nintendo in loving 2019
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Mar 31, 2019 00:02
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Just imagine NOT referring to Nine Inch Nails as /\/ / /\/, what an insane world that would be
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Mar 31, 2019 02:11
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Um, it would be this world, where we refer to it as |\| | |/| as Trent Reznor intended You clown
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Mar 31, 2019 02:52
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Imagine not referring to Loss as I II II L.
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RandomFerret posted:Um, it would be this world, where we refer to it as |\| | |/| as Trent Reznor intended  some of us have been down since The Purest Feeling when | had not been invented yet
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App is short for application program i.e. a program that is applied to a certain useful use, as opposed to utility programs that only do nerd poo poo, and the executive program which is what we now call an operating system. Don't you kids read 60s computer books? For instance Irfanview is an application program whereas tree is a utility program, and Linux is an executive program with no sound. Where does this leave programs like edit, or compilers? gently caress if I know  tl;dr: if you call something an app, you're technically also calling them a program. 3D Megadoodoo has a new favorite as of 06:18 on Mar 31, 2019 |
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Mar 31, 2019 06:10
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I refuse to call anything a program because every time I hear the word I'm reminded of old people that pronounce it "progrum" and gently caress that.
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Mar 31, 2019 06:41
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My 1990s computing experience distinguished between Appz and Gamez, which together made Warez.
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Mar 31, 2019 07:10
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Finally got an expansion card for my Amiga A1200: MBX A1200X card. Includes 8MB RAM, FPU and RTC  One stock standard A1200 (except for the CF Card HDD)  All installed and happy. FPU being recognised  And more RAM for the WHDLoad games and other programs
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Mar 31, 2019 09:10
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You Am I posted:Finally got an expansion card for my Amiga A1200: I've been waiting for upgrade parts to my A500 to come down in price since *checks calendar* 1987.
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Mar 31, 2019 09:14
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That rules. I've wanted an Amiga for ages, just never any available when I have the money to spend.
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Mar 31, 2019 09:47
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My 1200 broke ~15 years ago and I kept telling myself I'd buy another one on ebay when the prices came down. Now decent ones sell for more or less what they cost new. 
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Mar 31, 2019 10:51
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A FUCKIN CANARY!! posted:I refuse to call anything a program because every time I hear the word I'm reminded of old people that pronounce it "progrum" and gently caress that. lol sometimes I'll refer to an old piece of software as a "progrum," out loud and i hope it's funny in an irritating way
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Here are some development tools released in 1992 which have frameworks that use "App" or "Application": Microsoft C/C++ 7's MFC: pre:File Edit Search Project Run Options Browse Window Help ■═[ 2]════════════════════════ Help: Class List ═══════════════════════════│ │↕ │◄Class Hierarchy ► ◄Up◄ ◄Contents◄ ◄Index◄ ◄Back◄ ↑ │──Microsoft Foundation Classes────────────────────────────────────────────── │ ░ │ Windows Application Class ░ │ ░ │ ◄CWinApp◄ Main windows application class ░ │ ░ │ Window Classes ░ │ ░ │ ◄CWnd◄ Base class for all windows ░ pre:File Edit Search Run Compile Debug Tools Options Window Help ╔═[■]════════════════════════════════ Help ══════════════════════════════1═[↕]═╗ ║ ▌APP Unit Hierarchy Diagram ▲ ║ ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀ ■ ║ This is the hierarchy diagram for the APPS unit. Objects belonging to other ▒ ║ units display their unit to the right. ▒ ║ ▒ ║ ┌───────┐ ▒ ║ │TObject│ (OBJECTS Unit) ▒ ║ └───┬───┘ ▒ ║ ┌──┴──┐ ▒ ║ │TView│ (VIEWS Unit) ▒ ║ └──┬──┘ ▒ ║ ┌────┴────┐ ▒ ║ │ ┌──┴───┐ ▒ ║ │ │TGroup│ (VIEWS Unit) ▒ ║ │ └──┬───┘ ▒ ║ ┌──────┴────┐ │ ▒ ║ │TBackground│ │ ▒ ║ └───────────┘ │ ▒ ║ ┌──────┴────┐ ▒ ║ ┌────┴───┐ ┌────┴───┐ ▒ ║ │TDesktop│ │TProgram│ ▒ ║ └────────┘ └────┬───┘ ▒ ║ ┌─────┴──────┐ ▒ ║ │TApplication│ ▒ ║ └────────────┘ ▒ ║ ▒ Borland Pascal 7's Object Windows:  Look at it this way, most people would prefer to type "app" instead of "application", and "application" is also too long for a filename under DOS. Also Microsoft's FTP site had lots of files and directories with "apps" in their name, for the same reason.
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Sweevo posted:My 1200 broke ~15 years ago and I kept telling myself I'd buy another one on ebay when the prices came down. Now decent ones sell for more or less what they cost new. I paid AU$200 for my A1200 around 2002-ish. Totally stock, had original system and Workbench manuals and floppies. A A1200 with no mods and no power supply is worth AU$700 these days It is insane
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Someone once gave me a nearly brand new Commodore C64C for free back around 2001 or so when people were just chucking this stuff out. I've got two A1200s, one I got cheap from an old family friend who was finally upgrading and another I got brand new from Amigakit some years ago, and I think I've got enough bits and pieces to assemble another system. You Am I posted:Finally got an expansion card for my Amiga A1200: I remember you mentioning you were in Melbourne. If so, you should bring that stuff down to the user group meetings in Mount Waverley.
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Yeah, I’m in Melbourne. I’m on that user’s group on Facebook. I’m planning on coming down to the April meet
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I’ve been a few times, it usually draws a good crowd.
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Lol @ teenager me thinking that retro computing stuff would come down in price as time went on so I got rid of all of it before 2007 or so because it was just taking up space in my storage. I would really like to have my A500 with a 4mb memory upgrade back, please. 
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Yeah, it is always a crapshoot whether being extremely proactive or completely failing to think about something will end up being the proper strategy with a possible collectible. My floor-to-ceiling closet full of boxed games from 1990-1999 seemed like such a cascade of laziness on my part until I realized I was just sitting on a GOLD MINE Well more like a copper mine
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Dr. Quarex posted:Yeah, it is always a crapshoot whether being extremely proactive or completely failing to think about something will end up being the proper strategy with a possible collectible. I got rid of all of my boxed games apart from the Ultima series, because they seem to regularly be worth reasonable sums on eBay. One day I will find copies of the first two Ultima games with all the maps and trinkets intact. They're the only ones in the main series that I don't have (unless you count Escape from Mt Drash but lol I'm not taking out a mortgage to buy that). I also have both of the Worlds of Ultima and Underworld games, all the boxed UO editions (including the limited run of one of them that has the hilariously stupid Todd McFarlane robot Blackthorn toy) and a couple of Famicom ones. I found the manual for the original System Shock and the terrible novella that came with Planescape Torment when I moved recently, though I have no idea what happened to the actual games.
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I’ve kept almost all of my boxes and manuals. Haven’t bought a physical game since Fallout New Vegas 
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Keith Atherton posted:I’ve kept almost all of my boxes and manuals. Haven’t bought a physical game since Fallout New Vegas drat I didn't realize there was a big box Doom "trilogy". I only have the Collectors Edition trilogy that came in a small box with a grey skull on the cover.
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God how many skus was doom sold as
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I have a box full of big boxes, but it's almost all stuff I acquired later. Oregon Trail II is really the only one I have that was new new when I got it, and I kept it because it's made of wood.
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:I once showed my cousins the contents of one of my external hard drives and there was a folder called Apps which just had a bunch of random programs in it, but they assumed it was iPhone apps/games. “No porn here.”
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Keith Atherton posted:I’ve kept almost all of my boxes and manuals. Haven’t bought a physical game since Fallout New Vegas New Vegas was actually the point where I suddenly realized I could just have the game immediately if I bought it some sort of digital service, and noticed it was on Steam, and that was that. But I am also going to build custom shelves to display all my old big boxes so clearly I secretly wish I had never switched
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Keith Atherton posted:I’ve kept almost all of my boxes and manuals. Haven’t bought a physical game since Fallout New Vegas  those boxes are so pristine, how have you handled moving and stuff?
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LifeSunDeath posted:
If you don't leave your parents basement you don't have to worry about it.
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LifeSunDeath posted:
My big box collection is pretty large. They all hold up fine when picked tight in a regular moving box.
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LifeSunDeath posted:
Bought my house in 1999 Looking thru the old manuals is cool. Like the spiral bound early Fallout and Baldurs Gate and Diablo ones
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