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VH4Ever
Oct 1, 2005

by sebmojo

TheScott2K posted:

Likely: Bernard
Prefer: Bernard or Warren

Agreed. Either of those are cool and good.

EDIT: this is cool, the guy is biking around the world and found a kitty friend along the way

https://twitter.com/dodo/status/1112776644454813696

Insta:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BvCg8RCBYT2

VH4Ever fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Apr 3, 2019

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haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
If I ever have a kid I'm going to have to get a jogging stroller no matter what because my natural walking speed is so fast I'd worry if a basic stroller could handle it.

theflyingorc
Jun 28, 2008

ANY GOOD OPINIONS THIS POSTER CLAIMS TO HAVE ARE JUST PROOF THAT BULLYING WORKS
Young Orc
This is just straight up primary chat, I think you should go to the thread for that specifically

haveblue posted:

If I ever have a kid I'm going to have to get a jogging stroller no matter what because my natural walking speed is so fast I'd worry if a basic stroller could handle it.
weird flex but ok

James Garfield
May 5, 2012
Am I a manipulative abuser in real life, or do I just roleplay one on the Internet for fun? You decide!

RasperFat posted:

Probably the only way to ensure fair elections in any of the GOP stronghold states is to have the UN or some other third party oversee the elections to make sure the Republicans aren’t cheating.

The EU sends election observers and their findings are pretty much exactly what you'd expect.

https://www.osce.org/odihr/elections/usa/411251

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

highme posted:

Counterpoint, I christ walk wherever I go and no, it's not good enough for me.



How is this not good enough for you?

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug
In USPOL news, McConnel's going through with it

https://twitter.com/zoetillman/status/1113501892385099776?s=21

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better


They do realize they are going to lose power in 2020 and then they will have this used against them right

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

CuddleCryptid posted:

They do realize they are going to lose power in 2020 and then they will have this used against them right
Absolutely, but you gotta remember these are Obama-era vacancies. Filling them now is more than a term's worth in one fell swoop.

Rea
Apr 5, 2011

Komi-san won.

CuddleCryptid posted:

They do realize they are going to lose power in 2020 and then they will have this used against them right

Short term gains over long term consequences. Also what was said above.

(Assuming they even do lose power. The Wisconsin state Supreme Court thing has me extremely anxious.)

Pablo Nergigante
Apr 16, 2002

haveblue posted:

If I ever have a kid I'm going to have to get a jogging stroller no matter what because my natural walking speed is so fast I'd worry if a basic stroller could handle it.

Nice humblebrag

RasperFat
Jul 11, 2006

Uncertainty is inherently unsustainable. Eventually, everything either is or isn't.

James Garfield posted:

The EU sends election observers and their findings are pretty much exactly what you'd expect.

https://www.osce.org/odihr/elections/usa/411251

That report’s language seems way too clinical to be describing the dumpster fire that is voting in America.

OSCE Report posted:

While noting that election observation is regulated by individual states, the report highlights instances where observers were not allowed and recommends that legislation guarantee access to international observers invited by the United States authorities for all stages of the electoral process, in line with OSCE commitments undertaken by the United States Government.

This part is especially worrisome.

The perpetual unabashed shittiness of the GOP paired with their continued electoral success really triggers some :tinfoil: in me about how widespread fraudulent votes and vote counting is across the country.

Part of it is probably just my brain trying to reject that such a giant portion of my fellow species are so dangerously stupid and/or evil, but there also seems to be a shitload of incredibly shady election shenanigans that miraculously help the GOP 90+% of the time.

Pellisworth
Jun 20, 2005

CuddleCryptid posted:

They do realize they are going to lose power in 2020 and then they will have this used against them right

That's the point, ram through as many judicial nominees as possible so courts are stacked with conservatives for generations to come.

edit: there's also a good chance the Senate stays GOP even if Dems flip the Presidency and maintain the House in 2020. That imo needs to be one of our top priorities, if we don't control both houses of Congress and the Presidency we're definitely not going to make meaningful progress on health care, climate change, etc. Then Tom Cotton wins in 2024 or whatever.

Pellisworth fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Apr 3, 2019

Prester Jane
Nov 4, 2008

by Hand Knit

theflyingorc posted:

Uh, GWB's approval dropped to 25% on the back of that recession, and the Republicans got clobbered in 2008.

But a combination of:
1. Liberals being content that they had now won, having elected a black guy
2. The economy still being bad in 2010, and the current president always gets blame for current circumstances
3. Conservatives being furious that we elected a black guy
4. Obamacare being passed

Caused it to swing back. The economy tanking can hurt Republicans, the world isn't THAT different than it was in 2007.

This is a complete misread of what happened, and the world is
absolutely and dramatically different than it was in 2007. The GOP will not get the blame for a recession because the modern MSM will never hold the GOP accountable- rather they will play the both sides game while RWM screams endlessly that the catering economy is the result of deliberate democratic sabotage.

We are living through the rise of fascism and an economic collapse has (historically) always worked in the favor of the fascists. It is privileged naivete to think that the distracted mass of Americans will suddenly wake up to reality once things impact them/their family personally. What will actually happen is that miserable unemployed people will go looking for a scapegoat and the RWM will provide one while the MSM plays the both sides game.

If we had an effective left wing media that could compete in the battle for control of the sociopolitical narrative things would be different- but we do not live in that world. The first thing to remember in a battle for control of the sociopolitical is that facts do not matter and nuance is weakness- expecting a huge number of people to suddenly figure things out for themselves (against the grain of the majority of media they will be exposed to) while they are suddenly hungry and deprived is foolishness*.

*Utter foolishness.

Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Apr 3, 2019

TheScott2K
Oct 26, 2003

I'm just saying, there's a nonzero chance Trump has a really toad penis.

CuddleCryptid posted:

They do realize they are going to lose power in 2020 and then they will have this used against them right

It is far from a foregone conclusion that the Democrats will win the Senate or the White House in 2020.

eviltastic
Feb 8, 2004

Fan of Britches

OddObserver posted:

Is there a good reason for losses to be claimable, anyway?

To the extent we're taxing on the basis of income, there is in principle. We use income as a basis because (ideally) it's a fair proxy for ability to pay.

Say two people walk into a casino - the first has losses totaling 10k but gets lucky and has winnings of 15k, so walks out 5k ahead. The second has losses of 35k and winnings of 25k, and walks out 10k in the hole. Intuitively, it makes sense to tax on net rather than gross because the first person, and not the second, is the one that seems like they should fairly bear the greater burden.

(That's just an illustration, I'm not trying to use the analogy to defend the fairness of the tax code as it stands).

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


Basically the country is going to be a theocratic dictatorship via the courts and he's betting the Democrats are never taking the Senate again and too wrapped up on Decorum to pack the courts in order to fix the stolen seats if they ever did.

Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Apr 3, 2019

Pellisworth
Jun 20, 2005

Radish posted:

Basically the country is going to be a theocratic dictatorship via the courts and he's betting the Democrats are never taking the Senate again and too wrapped up on Decorum to pack the courts in order to fix the stolen seats if they ever did.

Which is a decent bet, taking the Senate in 2020 will be significantly harder than the Presidency.

Silver Nitrate
Oct 17, 2005

WHAT
Neo Nazis vandalized a bunch of poo poo in Norman, OK. Including an elementary school and an art center

gently caress

https://nondoc.com/2019/04/03/racist-vandalism-across-norman/

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

the hour has arrived, the man is

alan dershowitz

cr0y
Mar 24, 2005



https://twitter.com/MikeDorning/status/1113507890789343238?s=19

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo

CuddleCryptid posted:

They do realize they are going to lose power in 2020 and then they will have this used against them right

Buckling down a judge for a generation is probably a bigger win when that judge will just stymie laws and regulations from your opposition and/or facilitate your election fraud

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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If he just closed the border and billions of dollars of economic activity was lost starting a recession, where, between 38 and 43% would his approval be...

ummel
Jun 17, 2002

<3 Lowtax

Fun Shoe
Jfc, I really don't want to live in a country where the GOP controls the courts for 20+ years. I only have one life to live and that's a huge chunk of time. The education system and healthcare system are already poo poo, and this won't make it any better. If you're not a cutthroat capitalist/conman, what's the appeal of this place?

Sorry about the sky is falling poo poo. This bottom-up court packing really gets to me. The system has no safeguard against it.

theflyingorc
Jun 28, 2008

ANY GOOD OPINIONS THIS POSTER CLAIMS TO HAVE ARE JUST PROOF THAT BULLYING WORKS
Young Orc

Prester Jane posted:

This is a complete misread of what happened, and the world is
absolutely and dramatically different than it was in 2007. The GOP will not get the blame for a recession because the modern MSM will never hold the GOP accountable- rather they will play the both sides game while RWM screams endlessly that the catering economy is the result of deliberate democratic sabotage.

We are living through the rise of fascism and an economic collapse has (historically) always worked in the favor of the fascists. It is privileged naivete to think that the distracted mass of Americans will suddenly wake up to reality once things impact them/their family personally. What will actually happen is that miserable unemployed people will go looking for a scapegoat and the RWM will provide one while the MSM plays the both sides game.

If we had an effective left wing media that could compete in the battle for control of the sociopolitical narrative things would be different- but we do not live in that world. The first thing to remember in a battle for control of the sociopolitical is that facts do not matter and nuance is weakness- expecting a huge number of people to suddenly figure things out for themselves (against the grain of the majority of media they will be exposed to) while they are suddenly hungry and deprived is foolishness*.

*Utter foolishness.

Actually people blame the current president for the economy even when it isn't applicable, this has happened again and again and again and again. People really do think it's the two levers, and your using the word "fascist" doesn't change that.

I would agree with you if Democrats were currently in power - if the great recession had happened in 2015-2016, Republicans would have 60 senate seats and a near veto-proof House majority. But we blame presidents for things, and Trump's 35% of blind followers aren't enough.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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CuddleCryptid posted:

They do realize they are going to lose power in 2020 and then they will have this used against them right

Have D's shown that they are going to bring a gun to this gun fight? This leadership sure hasn't.

TheOneAndOnlyT
Dec 18, 2005

Well well, mister fancy-pants, I hope you're wearing your matching sweater today, or you'll be cut down like the ugly tree you are.

Prester Jane posted:

This is a complete misread of what happened, and the world is
absolutely and dramatically different than it was in 2007. The GOP will not get the blame for a recession because the modern MSM will never hold the GOP accountable- rather they will play the both sides game while RWM screams endlessly that the catering economy is the result of deliberate democratic sabotage.

We are living through the rise of fascism and an economic collapse has (historically) always worked in the favor of the fascists. It is privileged naivete to think that the distracted mass of Americans will suddenly wake up to reality once things impact them/their family personally. What will actually happen is that miserable unemployed people will go looking for a scapegoat and the RWM will provide one while the MSM plays the both sides game.

If we had an effective left wing media that could compete in the battle for control of the sociopolitical narrative things would be different- but we do not live in that world. The first thing to remember in a battle for control of the sociopolitical is that facts do not matter and nuance is weakness- expecting a huge number of people to suddenly figure things out for themselves (against the grain of the majority of media they will be exposed to) while they are suddenly hungry and deprived is foolishness*.

*Utter foolishness.
I really do not see how any amount of media, no matter how ubiquitious, breaks through the simple sequence of "economy bad->Trump is president->it's Trump's fault".

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

Oooooooooooh!

TheOneAndOnlyT posted:

I really do not see how any amount of media, no matter how ubiquitious, breaks through the simple sequence of "economy bad->Trump is president->it's Trump's fault".
Yeah, I think it would go the same way the government shutdown went. Everyone realized it his problem to own and his approval ratings started dipping.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010

Against All Tyrants

Ultra Carp

Can anyone see the full article? I really want to see how dumb this gets.

Crows Turn Off
Jan 7, 2008


CuddleCryptid posted:

They do realize they are going to lose power in 2020....
It's possible they don't.

TheScott2K
Oct 26, 2003

I'm just saying, there's a nonzero chance Trump has a really toad penis.

ummel posted:

Jfc, I really don't want to live in a country where the GOP controls the courts for 20+ years. I only have one life to live and that's a huge chunk of time. The education system and healthcare system are already poo poo, and this won't make it any better. If you're not a cutthroat capitalist/conman, what's the appeal of this place?

Sorry about the sky is falling poo poo. This bottom-up court packing really gets to me. The system has no safeguard against it.

We are extremely due for a Constitutional re-tooling. Judicial fixes are out the window, so it's either amend the thing or the mob throws it out and possibly balkanizes the country.

James Garfield
May 5, 2012
Am I a manipulative abuser in real life, or do I just roleplay one on the Internet for fun? You decide!

Prester Jane posted:

This is a complete misread of what happened, and the world is
absolutely and dramatically different than it was in 2007. The GOP will not get the blame for a recession because the modern MSM will never hold the GOP accountable- rather they will play the both sides game while RWM screams endlessly that the catering economy is the result of deliberate democratic sabotage.

We are living through the rise of fascism and an economic collapse has (historically) always worked in the favor of the fascists. It is privileged naivete to think that the distracted mass of Americans will suddenly wake up to reality once things impact them/their family personally. What will actually happen is that miserable unemployed people will go looking for a scapegoat and the RWM will provide one while the MSM plays the both sides game.

If we had an effective left wing media that could compete in the battle for control of the sociopolitical narrative things would be different- but we do not live in that world. The first thing to remember in a battle for control of the sociopolitical is that facts do not matter and nuance is weakness- expecting a huge number of people to suddenly figure things out for themselves (against the grain of the majority of media they will be exposed to) while they are suddenly hungry and deprived is foolishness*.

*Utter foolishness.

Oh right, the pattern that has held for the entire modern era where a bad economy hurts the incumbent president's party does not apply any more because we don't have an effective left wing media like we did in 2008.

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




Grimey Drawer

TheScott2K posted:

We are extremely due for a Constitutional re-tooling. Judicial fixes are out the window, so it's either amend the thing or the mob throws it out and possibly balkanizes the country.

Once again please explain how you think a Constitutional Convention with the current GOP existing in any sort of form with influence would turn out ok for anyone.

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

TheScott2K posted:

We are extremely due for a Constitutional re-tooling. Judicial fixes are out the window, so it's either amend the thing or the mob throws it out and possibly balkanizes the country.

Mayhaps I haven't given it enough thought but balkanization does not seem like the worst-case scenario right now.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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BTW just look at everything the GOP does though the lens of preserving and perpetuating minority rule. That is there is literally no fear whatsoever of what they are doing being done to them because what they are doing is their only chance of maintaining their minority rule.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

JazzFlight posted:

Yeah, I think it would go the same way the government shutdown went. Everyone realized it his problem to own and his approval ratings started dipping.

And then it went right back to normal a week later after it was done because his base is concrete and he owns them forever. Literally nothing Trump can do will ever make the 40% of people who still love him abandon him forever, just get kinda mad at him for maybe a day or two and then crawl back to him asking for his forgiveness.

Don’t pin your hops on these people. Ever.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Sephyr posted:

He'd still peel off that Decorum DC Liberal constituency. It would not even be close. He could appear in ads manually building the Wall and spitting on asylum seekers and they'd still vote for him.

:geno:

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

CuddleCryptid posted:

They do realize they are going to lose power in 2020 and then they will have this used against them right

This was always the plan. It was a one-time gambit: block every Obama appointee however they could by abusing the rules, then abolish those rules the instant the pendulum swung back and left them in control. They did the same thing with blue slips, abused them under Obama to leave seats open in conservative circuits for them to fill with conservatives, then abolished blue slips immediately under Trump to start stacking liberal circuits with conservative justices too.

If Obama and Reid hadn't finally ended the filibuster for lower court nominees after McConnell held so meany seats open the DC circuit couldn't function, Republicans would have done it themselves immediately upon taking power just like they did the Supreme Court nominee filibuster.

The idea is that by blocking so many appointees, they effectively got 5 terms of conservative court appointments and a free hand to completely rewrite the law and constitution from the bench for the next 20 years or maybe forever depending on how successful the new conservative courts are at ending democracy.

TheScott2K
Oct 26, 2003

I'm just saying, there's a nonzero chance Trump has a really toad penis.

Angry_Ed posted:

Once again please explain how you think a Constitutional Convention with the current GOP existing in any sort of form with influence would turn out ok for anyone.

Oh I don't think anything is going to happen within the legal framework. I'd like to use amendments to fix it, but in this country not even the Left's grassroots people can bring themselves to start trying.

Either the elites going to decide the current situation is untenable and just be like "yeah we're replacing that with this," like when we replaced the Articles of Confederation, or it'll be something even more flagrant and people just won't care because their needs aren't being met by the existing Constitution.

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf

TheScott2K posted:

We are extremely due for a Constitutional re-tooling. Judicial fixes are out the window, so it's either amend the thing or the mob throws it out and possibly balkanizes the country.

Though extremely unpractical due to the GOP in its current incarnation, I agree that its kinda overdue.

That would be a fun thread, to have D&D try to do a mini constitutional convention and see what kind of changes get proposed. I'm sure some crazy governing structures would get suggested

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mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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