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El_Elegante posted:Just started Mankind Divided for the first time and I am dying laughing at paid DLC for Praxis and starting credits. It's the stupidest concept they came up with, "People can make this single-player game easier... If they spend more money!" Easy Mode now costs money.
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I have died falling 10 feet at least half a dozen times. I got the Icarus but that loving aggros everyone on the block.
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Look Sir Droids posted:I have died falling 10 feet at least half a dozen times. I got the Icarus but that loving aggros everyone on the block. I haven't played in forever but I don't remember that being the case.
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Apr 3, 2019 21:50
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Is there a particularly good way to explore Prague to avoid getting burned out on it?
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Apr 3, 2019 22:05
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jeeves posted:I laughed at the beginning of MD because Jenson must get so annoyed every time his augs reset because he literally can't do anything that he got used to. It happens like every game and DLC too. “I asked for those.”
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Apr 3, 2019 22:09
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El_Elegante posted:Is there a particularly good way to explore Prague to avoid getting burned out on it? Do the sidequests and leave. Don't explore Prague. It's a seemingly endless rabbit hole of things you'll want to hack and red zones you'll want to invade and loot. Better to just leave it for when whatever that's there for comes up in the story.
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Apr 3, 2019 22:14
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jeeves posted:I laughed at the beginning of MD because Jenson must get so annoyed every time his augs reset because he literally can't do anything that he got used to. It happens like every game and DLC too. I like to picture Jensen finding out his augs are disabled/hosed by jumping off a tall building and failing to engage his Icarus landing system. All the while flailing and screaming "I never asked for thiiiiiiiiiis." s
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Look Sir Droids posted:I have died falling 10 feet at least half a dozen times. I got the Icarus but that loving aggros everyone on the block. You must be pressing something to attack when you drop. If you just let him fall, it doesn't kick off the shockwave or whatever the crowd control move was.
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Apr 3, 2019 22:17
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Look Sir Droids posted:Do the sidequests and leave. Don't explore Prague. It's a seemingly endless rabbit hole of things you'll want to hack and red zones you'll want to invade and loot. Better to just leave it for when whatever that's there for comes up in the story.
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Apr 3, 2019 22:19
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Spun Dog posted:You must be pressing something to attack when you drop. If you just let him fall, it doesn't kick off the shockwave or whatever the crowd control move was. I tried it without pressing anything and I went splat and died.
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Apr 3, 2019 22:19
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Look Sir Droids posted:I tried it without pressing anything and I went splat and died. Huh, from what I remember if you've got that aug and just jump out a window it kicks in automatically when you fall enough distance. It only does the attack if you hit a button on the way down.
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Apr 3, 2019 22:21
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That should be what happens.
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goatsestretchgoals posted:“I asked for those.” *Sunglasses fail to engage after saying that line* "...Damnit!"
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Apr 3, 2019 23:17
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I wish Jensen put away his sunglasses more in cutscenes. It helps to humanise him a little more.
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Apr 3, 2019 23:55
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I think the retracted-sunglasses-look is real bad. He got some black poo poo around the outside of his eyes. With the sunglasses there I can pretend they're just normal glasses.
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Apr 4, 2019 05:33
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He keeps them extended to hide the PAin
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Apr 4, 2019 06:26
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Casimir Radon posted:I missed the sewer cult side quest the second time through because I didn't explore enough. So I kind of regret that. Sewer quest was one of the better ideas. The 'aug lives matter' thing was lazy projection of modern politics onto the future where it didn't really make sense. Sewer quest looked at some of the stranger stories you might see coming out of plausible near future tech. Wasn't super well executed but it was okay.
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Apr 4, 2019 07:05
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The girl he couldn't save in the Human Revolution Prague train station bombing would have made for an awesome story jump off point. Instead, HR treated it like a bad hangover where you dropped your
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Neurosis posted:Sewer quest was one of the better ideas. The 'aug lives matter' thing was lazy projection of modern politics onto the future where it didn't really make sense. Sewer quest looked at some of the stranger stories you might see coming out of plausible near future tech. Wasn't super well executed but it was okay. Yeah, basically putting some segregation trappings and imagery on top of the aug lives matter stuff is pretty disappointing. The original Deus Ex’s politics still feel timely because late stage capitalism being horrible is an evergreen concept.
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Apr 4, 2019 15:43
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With the sheer amount of money that was invested into making DXHR and DXMD combined with the owner of Eidos being a multinational company, it's not a real surprise that a bald-faced analysis of late capitalism isn't forthcoming.
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Apr 4, 2019 23:25
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El_Elegante posted:The original Deus Ex’s politics still feel timely because late stage capitalism being horrible is an evergreen concept. Also buncha the conspiracy theories are mainstream republican talking points now.
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Apr 5, 2019 02:01
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With the news these days, all I can hear is Eliza’s “It’s not the end of the world, but you can see it from here.” 
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Apr 5, 2019 04:22
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The_Doctor posted:With the news these days, all I can hear is Eliza’s “It’s not the end of the world, but you can see it from here.” Honestly, immigration would have made a much better parallel. I just got to Golem City and the family separations, forced detentions/deportations could have served as echoes of the immigration crisis of the last few years. It’s disappointing that climate change was touched on in the first game but doesn’t seem to be all that important to the setting. It’s done a good job of making society seem more fragile and close to collapse than human revolution. In HR the setting felt more optimistic and stable and not that gritty. The anti-aug riots of the first game felt more shoehorned than organic.
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I'm a tiny bit further than you. Is there a way to non-lethal disable the mechwarrior cops? I tried to sneak punch one and he punched me back. Do I need an aug?
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Look Sir Droids posted:I'm a tiny bit further than you. El_Elegante posted:Yeah, basically putting some segregation trappings and imagery on top of the aug lives matter stuff is pretty disappointing. Casimir Radon fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Apr 5, 2019 |
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Apr 5, 2019 21:20
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Oh, apologies for murdering that one dude then. I tried an EMP grenade but it wore off. Didn't realize I could punch him. 5 minutes later I dragged a cop to a hidden area. Found a switch, oh what's this. Electrified floor where I hid the cop. Dead. Oops. This isn't my no kills run. Casimir Radon posted:
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Apr 5, 2019 21:24
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Look Sir Droids posted:Is Invisible War worth playing? I had always seen that it's bad. I bought HR on PC for $5 a while ago and got IW with it, so worth playing? IW I'm mixed about. I don't outright hate it especially because you can do some fun rear end in a top hat physics stuff in it, and the general gameplay of navigating and fighting is competent enough, but on PC it loads like rear end (it literally closes and reopens the game on every level transfer). I played and beat the oXbox version. Gameplay wise there's a bunch of issues. Hacking is a "if your level is high enough you autohack, if not gently caress off" zero-sum proposal. All guns have universal ammo. Lockpicks and Multitools are the same item, stuff like that. There's also some problems with the plot but I won't get into those. So the question is basically are you willing to endure that for the ability to huck barrels at enemies and ragdoll them all over the place.
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Look Sir Droids posted:Oh, apologies for murdering that one dude then. I tried an EMP grenade but it wore off. Didn't realize I could punch him. Get the "Visible Upgrade" mod. It allows for Widescreen resolutions and fixes the bug where the game minimized on level load, along with some other graphical enhancements. It's pretty much the worst Deus Ex game, but I still really like it. It's got some good ideas and some bad ideas. But it's also the shortest game so it wouldn't take a huge time commitment to burn through.
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I don't think it can really be Worst Deus Ex in a world where The Fall exists.
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Look Sir Droids posted:Is Invisible War worth playing? I had always seen that it's bad. I bought HR on PC for $5 a while ago and got IW with it, so worth playing? Nah, there's really no reason to bother with it. It was bad when it released and it has aged horribly.
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Yeah DXIW is no The Fall, but it's also not great. The story feels lobotomized, the art direction is terrible, and the gameplay is much simpler than the first, and the levels are all tiny to fit inside an original xbox's memory constraints. That said, it's still at least trying to be an 451 game so there are multiple routes to solve problems at least. Oh, and while the ending is pretty bad too one of the ways to end it is my favourite ending from any DX game (damning with faint praise there).
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Momomo posted:I don't think it can really be Worst Deus Ex in a world where The Fall exists. I don't even count that one
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Apr 5, 2019 23:31
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It's amazing how much better Thief: Deadly Shadows turned out, despite having the same technical limitations. It's still worse than Thief 1 and 2, but something about the design of the game made it feel less hamstrung.
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feelix posted:It's amazing how much better Thief: Deadly Shadows turned out, despite having the same technical limitations. It's still worse than Thief 1 and 2, but something about the design of the game made it feel less hamstrung. It's interesting how much people have mellowed on Thief: DS considering it was widely panned when it came out (probably by dint of just not being more of 1&2).
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The_Doctor posted:It's interesting how much people have mellowed on Thief: DS considering it was widely panned when it came out (probably by dint of just not being more of 1&2). The remake made people realize how bad it could get
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Also the Shalebridge Cradle was one of the greatest levels in gaming history, no matter what you thought of the rest of it.
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Apr 6, 2019 01:29
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The House of the Widow Moira sticks out in my memory more. The Cradle didn't impact me that much to be honest. Perhaps because iirc I'd just done a Thief 1 replay when I first played TDS and undead were coded as an irritation and something to be avoided by abusing mechanics (crouch and nothing in the Cradle can hit you!).
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Deadly Shadows was always a perfectly good game and worthy conclusion to the series, which suffered primarily from not being as great as Thief 2, and from having a lovely engine, but yeah, it took time distance and Thi4f for people to realise it.
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I remember movement feeling really clunky, some weird input-lag whenever you didn't want to move straight forward.
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