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OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/st...ingawful.com%2F IRA getting the gang back together.
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OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/st...ingawful.com%2F How can I put it; just a bit.
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Thom12255 posted:IRA getting the gang back together. lol Stormont would be back up and running tomorrow if Sinn Fein wanted
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OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/st...ingawful.com%2F seems like it would be trouble
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Squizzle posted:seems like it would be... trouble?
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So let's get this straight: After multiple literal years of not figuring this poo poo out, in the last week before crashing out of the EU, the govt has had the incredible idea of "ask the opposition to negotiate a compromise that may pass parliament" ? Which would be pretty funny on its own if not for the very real possibility that the "negotiations" with Labour are a charade to show the EU some glimmer of a reason to offer an extension and then have 900 more failed votes on the same 5 things that have failed forever.
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Squizzle posted:seems like it would be trouble
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You all do realise NI was under direct rule from 2002-2007 without the troubles starting up again?
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:macron: hon hon hon
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Bryter posted:I think you've somehow misinterpreted me saying the referendum didn't technically bind parliament as me saying the government did bind parliament? yeah when you said that parliament not going along with it was a constitutional quirk, you are saying that its an unimportant little wrinkle in the plan. yeah everyone really really knew that it was a full binding referendum in practice and if parliament went against the results then parliament should ... be abolished?? i dunno what the gently caress you want.
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Soviet Space Dog posted:yeah when you said that parliament not going along with it was a constitutional quirk, you are saying that its an unimportant little wrinkle in the plan. yeah everyone really really knew that it was a full binding referendum in practice and if parliament went against the results then parliament should ... be abolished?? i dunno what the gently caress you want. I want people to shut up about the referendum being advisory as if that's how it was sold to parliament or the public. But yeah parliament should be abolished regardless, good idea.
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If people are stupid enough to believe that voting to ask parliament to consider the option to discuss leaving the EU = brexit, then, I ask M'lerned collegue: what is brexit? E: politics in inaction, tbqf. EE: actually, May cutting her own head off and freezing it with instructions to attach it to a host body upon Bercow's shuffling off this mortal coil has probably flitted across the barren expanse mopre than once, blot twist: Bercow also does the same. staberind has issued a correction as of 00:04 on Apr 4, 2019 |
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Subjunctive posted:what does it mean for something to bind parliament? what does it prevent them from doing, or force them to do, and what are the consequences if they don’t obey? does it bind future parliaments too, somehow? Parliament can't be bound, that's the point.
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Subjunctive posted:what does it mean for something to bind parliament? what does it prevent them from doing, or force them to do, and what are the consequences if they don’t obey? does it bind future parliaments too, somehow? mps cant cross an unbroken line of salt, nor escape if wrapped in iron chains by a priest. certain sigils can also ward against their passage its all related to the mystic powers of the mace, and to knighthood. the house of commons was built over a faerie graveyard also
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Kashuno posted:It feels like as long as the EU will give extensions Brexit will never end https://twitter.com/GRANNYMUGGER/status/1106272857431175168?s=19
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Bryter posted:Parliament can't be bound, that's the point. ok, I must have massively misread an earlier part of this thread, then! it’s the same thing here.
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the uk constitutional powers of parliament are actually really simple its literally if you have a simple majority you can pass a law on anything and thats 100% the law and everyone has to do what that says. if you dont have a majority you cant do poo poo. note that anything includes executing the monarch and implementing a republic, or replacing the monarch with a dutch guy because you hate catholics, or banning catholic monarchs forever because you hate catholics. that the government cant do a non-poo poo brexit isn't some weird limit of powers, its just utter incompetence
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Yeah, I can totally imagine it becoming a literal part of the government, the same as India and Pakistan's ritual contests over Kashmir.
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Subjunctive posted:what does it mean for something to bind parliament? what does it prevent them from doing, or force them to do, and what are the consequences if they don’t obey? does it bind future parliaments too, somehow? A binding referendum is one attached to legislation that automatically kicks in if the referendum passes. The brexit referendum was advisory, all that was legislated is that they would have a referendum and it's then up to parliament to decide how to proceed.
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Subjunctive posted:what does it mean for something to bind parliament? what does it prevent them from doing, or force them to do, and what are the consequences if they don’t obey? does it bind future parliaments too, somehow? Things that bind parliament are, roughly speaking, the constitution (let's just leave it at that) and basically all laws. Binding in the sense that if they do(or don't do) certain things, the courts will step in and force the matter. Are you American by any chance? Because I've always associated these sorts of questions with Americans. In any case, in the legal sense, referendums are not binding on the UK. They're nationwide opinion polls, and the government/parliament is free to ignore the results if it wants to. The fact that the conservatives and I believe labour as well said that they intended to abide by the outcome makes for some interesting legal challenges.
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Squizzle posted:update, the office is presently held by the lady usher of the purple rod That sounds unspeakably filthy.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Yeah, I can totally imagine it becoming a literal part of the government, the same as India and Pakistan's ritual contests over Kashmir. Or how the US keeps writing cheques to Cuba for renting Guantanamo, which Cuba refuses to cash.
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Dance Officer posted:Things that bind parliament are, roughly speaking, the constitution (let's just leave it at that) and basically all laws. Binding in the sense that if they do(or don't do) certain things, the courts will step in and force the matter. can’t parliament just change the law? I thought that in the UK parliament was pretty much supreme, without even the need for a more onerous constitutional amendment process like is found here in Canada or in the US. (we had our own referendum drama in the 90s.) what would be the basis of a legal challenge? how does this differ from a party promising something while campaigning and then not doing it once elected, which I understand to not be actionable in the UK any more than it is here?
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Fuzzy McDoom posted:So let's get this straight: After multiple literal years of not figuring this poo poo out, in the last week before crashing out of the EU, the govt has had the incredible idea of "ask the opposition to negotiate a compromise that may pass parliament" ? Many 'brexiteers' have been publicly boasting for a couple years now that in the final exigency before the deadline, the EU would buckle and cave in and give the UK what it wanted.
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Subjunctive posted:what does it mean for something to bind parliament? what does it prevent them from doing, or force them to do, and what are the consequences if they don’t obey? does it bind future parliaments too, somehow? Parliament can do anything it wants with a simple majority, irrespective of any law passed in the past. Like parliament today can pass a law that says "parliament tomorrow must have a 2/3 majority to do some thing," but parliament tomorrow is not bound by this, they can pass a new law on a simple majority striking down that law, and then do the thing on a simple majority rather than 2/3.
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The Brexiteers Dream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbaeBbQMZyY
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I have no idea if that's good or not, but taking no-deal Brexit off the table means I get to delay a project at my job for a couple of years, hopefully until after I've gone to another job 
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Jazerus posted:y'all ever thought about just not brexiting hmm, I dunno. Seems like something they should vote on.
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