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China having good, pervasive unions would make china 100x better a lot of work is unsafe, underpaid, things go to the lowest bidder etc labor market is free market hell even if wages rise more on average
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Apr 4, 2019 07:08
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Modest Mao posted:I think currently 35% of the US gdp is various forms of government spending so it's still pretty state controlled Spending is different than enterprises, the state’s involvement in he economy in China would be even higher by that metric.
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Apr 4, 2019 08:20
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R. Guyovich posted:it's not that they were labor organizers or marxists per se, it's that they were trying to form an independent trade union outside of the system that's already set up, which is against the law. it was against the law in the mao era too, so the people being all "revisionists!!!!!!!!" about this don't actually know their history do you think there ought to be a point where, taking into consideration all questions of maintaining party control and issues of imperialist infiltration and so on, labour and ideological organizations independent of the party ought to be allowed to form and operate?
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Apr 4, 2019 12:32
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i men there are people who might foolishly raise questions over labout unions organized by the state, or even companies, motivation in protecting their union members interests in every conceivable instance. i mean idk butt ive heard those kinds of accusations from bougie prppaganga outlets...
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Apr 4, 2019 12:43
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Reminder that an independent Polish labor union was responsible for the breakup of the Eastern bloc and the greatest decrease in the quality of life in history.
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Apr 4, 2019 16:48
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Mantis42 posted:Reminder that an independent Polish labor union was responsible for the breakup of the Eastern bloc and the greatest decrease in the quality of in history. correct, it's one of those cases where fighting for labor rights was actually fighting against labor rights if you examine the context
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Apr 4, 2019 16:50
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The ussr was then also composed of capitalist roaders
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Apr 4, 2019 16:52
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bob dobbs is dead posted:The ussr was then also composed of capitalist roaders this but unironically
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Apr 4, 2019 16:53
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The USSR by the 60s was an "Evil Empire": one of the few things capitalist cowboy who assassinated US working class was correct about
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Apr 4, 2019 16:53
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Typo posted:this but unironically Friend, we have yet to have an inkling of irony in this whole discussion
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Apr 4, 2019 16:56
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The USSR was 70 percent good and cool, actually.
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Apr 4, 2019 16:57
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Typo posted:this but unironically was this posted in your "ironic CCP hype man" voice, making it ironic, or in your regular typo voice, making it unironic
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Apr 4, 2019 21:51
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can a socialist state still have yellow unions?
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Apr 4, 2019 21:58
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Mantis42 posted:The USSR was 70 percent good and cool, actually. Yes, a "Socialist" state, which abandoned global revolution, which abandoned dictatorship of the proletariat, which openly embraced revisionism, which militarily attacked socialist countries to enforce its own revisionist views, which never respected sovereignty of nations, which waged economic warfare on peaceful China, which failed due to its own contradictions, is "good and cool"
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Apr 4, 2019 22:34
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gradenko_2000 posted:can a socialist state still have yellow unions? Ask Allende
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Apr 5, 2019 15:58
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https://twitter.com/jessefelder/status/1114183549287006213
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Apr 5, 2019 17:12
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lol at the western fetish for ~reforms~ and how much it blinds them
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Apr 5, 2019 18:16
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The Chinese reformists, who definitely exist, fully support your ideas sir. However, you need to make a few extremely beneficial changes for China or the entire government will become Hardline communists
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Apr 5, 2019 18:39
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Bulgakov posted:lol at the western fetish for ~reforms~ and how much it blinds them reforms are good, Deng was a reformer, as is Xi, just as Trotsky called for permanent revolution, so China is under a state of permanent reform. Socialism must constantly reform itself towards Communism to survive. Stagnancy is a poison which will destroy any society which fails to adapt to its material circumstances. Which many western leftists, who still worship Moscow party line of Brezhnev era, do not realize!
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Apr 5, 2019 18:47
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But...who is playing the good cop in Chinese government?
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Apr 5, 2019 19:08
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Bulgakov posted:lol at the western fetish for ~reforms~ and how much it blinds them One of the basic tenets of liberalism is that a government can't just take an action and know what will happen, everything is unpredictable, so a liberal government has to remain agnostic to causes and focus on effects instead. "Reform" is like a slot machine that keeps putting out different effects, so if you just keep pulling the lever, you'll surely get something you like eventually.
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Apr 5, 2019 19:12
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tino posted:But...who is playing the good cop in Chinese government? there are of course different visions within a Socialist government on which direction reforms should take, some of them are more pro-US foreign policy, some of them are more anti-US foreign policy. That is the nature of Democratic Centralism in a system of free and open debate within party leadership! lol@ criticizing reforms as "rightist" when Xi has undertaken some of the boldest reforms of the last 50 years!
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Apr 5, 2019 19:20
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Well in China the conservation is the "Left", the reformers are the "Right" So get your direction straight.
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Apr 5, 2019 19:24
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tino posted:Well in China the conservation is the "Left", the reformers are the "Right" So get your direction straight. reforms could be left right or center, the anti-corruption campaign for instance, is no doubt left but an important reform of the Xi era
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Apr 5, 2019 19:26
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Apr 5, 2019 19:29
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sincx posted:The denizens of the China thread looked from gimmick Typo to real Typo, and from real Typo to gimmick Typo, and from gimmick Typo to real Typo again; but already it was impossible to say which was which. Hulkhoganworkaworkandworkyourselfintiashoitmarks.tweet
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Apr 6, 2019 04:59
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everything i know about china i learned from typo posts
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Apr 6, 2019 05:22
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tino posted:But...who is playing the good cop in Chinese government? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dipb99SdTMw
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Apr 6, 2019 08:10
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i hope jackie chan becomes president and then americans go "oh wow jackie is president of china" then he goes "psych!" and hits the full communism button lmao
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Apr 6, 2019 18:02
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:i hope jackie chan becomes president and then americans go "oh wow jackie is president of china" then he goes "psych!" and hits the full communism button lmao Jackie chan has always being a staunch supporter of the China Communist Party so this wouldn't be too much of a psych
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Apr 6, 2019 18:19
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The CIA managed to lure the Premier of China into this ladder factory, you WON'T believe what happens next!!
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Apr 6, 2019 18:22
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https://twitter.com/eedrk/status/1114344054894895105 https://twitter.com/eedrk/status/1114353491634315264
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Apr 7, 2019 08:28
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You can't just BUILD infrastructure
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Apr 7, 2019 08:29
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well at some point we're kinda hoping walmart will just organically evolve into this
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Apr 7, 2019 08:56
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I got bad news about the rent to income ratio in chinese megacities
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Apr 7, 2019 12:38
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you cant do anything anymore unless it involves bombing other countries
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Apr 8, 2019 00:38
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A Big Fuckin Hornet posted:everything i know about china i learned from typo posts
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Apr 8, 2019 00:58
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https://twitter.com/Ilhan/status/1113863599569633281
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Apr 8, 2019 18:35
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Apr 8, 2019 19:10
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once more the bourgeois liberal establishment have shown they are part of same anti-Socialist, anti-China, anti-peace military-industrial complex the US political system has only two right wings: both of which seeks no less than destruction of Socialism at any cost!
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Apr 8, 2019 19:11
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