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Dementropy
Aug 23, 2010



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EvilMerlin
Apr 10, 2018

Meh.

Give it a try...

iospace posted:

While I agree that a small, combat focus ship should be able to punch above its weight and be able to destroy some of the biggest ships in the game (there's a reason the Vulture in Elite is well loved, it does exactly this), you also have to consider who is complaining about it. How much does a Buccaneer cost? Or a Cutlass? This is a significant factor in terms of things here, because now you have people who are dropping non-trivial amounts above the cost of a AAA title in this game, and suddenly the ship they bought is "weak" due to ~reasons~. You can't divorce the real world costs of the ships from, because they will influence the perception of the buyer.

But its not SUDDENLY... Way back when they first started talking about the Corsair it was said that the armor was thin, but had a decent weapons load.

Buccaneer is 110.
Cutlass is 100.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Woof!

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

EvilMerlin posted:

But its not SUDDENLY... Way back when they first started talking about the Corsair it was said that the armor was thin, but had a decent weapons load.

Buccaneer is 110.
Cutlass is 100.

You know what was sudden?

Khartu-Al and the Lost Seat

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Jobbo_Fett posted:

You know what was sudden?

Khartu-Al and the Lost Seat

$170

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
That's almost 1/3 of my monthly rent.


Its like... two weeks of food.


Its like 10 large god drat pizzas.


Its 2 tickets + popcorn and a coke at the movies.





And they hosed everyone that had one, smiling the entire way, and ya'll just kept giving them money like idiots.

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





EvilMerlin posted:

But, with the new Drake Corsair, exactly what did CIG promise?

EvilMerlin posted:

"Drake’s competitor to the Constellation, the rough and ready multi-crew explorer. Differs from the 600i by its crude basic construction and from the Constellation by its lower missile count, but with a third turret to make up for it. Able to transport a vehicle and cargo (think extended/up-scaled Cutlass rear area) faster and more nimble than the others, but like all Drake ships pretty paper thin. "

EvilMerlin
Apr 10, 2018

Meh.

Give it a try...
That's exactly my point Beet.

Thus far there is nothing with the Corsair that hasn't been at least planned, not present.

CIG said the corsair will be crude, lower missile count, an additional turret and poor armor...

Maybe I'm missing what the folks are complaining about?

Mostly Dead
Aug 8, 2007
Barky Barktona and the Lost Seat of Khartu-Al

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





The obvious stupidity of you asking "what did they promise though" in the same post where you copy/paste their sales pitch aside, a quick google seems to say that people are upset at the fact that Drake ships are now being described as having "paper-thin" armor, despite that not having been part of description of Drake ships, combined with frustration that the Q&A and descriptions don't give any indication of what the ship is going to perform like in comparison with its competitors. Which, like I said, is a legitimate concern considering that CIG often completely fucks poo poo like that up.

Lladre
Jun 28, 2011


Soiled Meat
I am complaining that my beloved mech is forever lost due to some jerk's spite that he lost a lawsuit.

Lladre
Jun 28, 2011


Soiled Meat
You know what pirates love?

Paper thin armour.

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015







Yes, yes, I see.



A regrettable mistake, sure, but we must understand things change...



I'm sure the loss of a seat you paid for is frustrating, however...





Hmm. Well, nevertheless, people are wrong for being concerned that they're buying poo poo that won't do what it says on the box.

MedicineHut
Feb 25, 2016


Star Citizen gameplay at par with the greatest Sci Fi classics:

his nibs
Feb 27, 2016

:kayak:Welcome to the:kayak:
Dream Factory
:kayak:
Grimey Drawer
nazi sympathising is bad just sayin'

EvilMerlin
Apr 10, 2018

Meh.

Give it a try...

his nibs posted:

nazi sympathising is bad just sayin'

Who? What?

his nibs
Feb 27, 2016

:kayak:Welcome to the:kayak:
Dream Factory
:kayak:
Grimey Drawer
Talking of terrible people sniffling around British politics, I hope the internet stills works after the UK spirals into the Brexit abyss

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

EvilMerlin posted:

And holy poo poo did CIG over use the "punch above their weight" crap...

Yes, yes they did.

Or to put it another way, if you make everything above its class, then nothing is above its class.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Wait! Exploration is the number 1 career role in SC? He really said that? Oh my, my poor sides.

JugbandDude
Jul 19, 2016

Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun

Shine on you crazy diamond!

EvilMerlin posted:

Paper thin in comparison to other ships? I don't know but drat some of those pirate folks are way over sensitive.


Seriously there are some people that get pissy about very stupid stuff. Its a loving game....

Well, it makes sense, because for most of these people the jpeg business IS the game.

Some people troll in forums, some people play the jpeg game and others play the LARP game with Rexzilla.

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Rugganovich posted:

What a dick that Paul Shilley(sic) guy is. Using a spaceship in space. That's like using a car in the Sahara desert, of course it's going to overheat.

More like driving a Tesla while it rains, or in Canada. SC is ahead of its time.

Scruffpuff
Dec 23, 2015

Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?
Have we devolved into discussing the technicalities of a "Drake" ship, a fake corporation in a fake game referenced in inane lore written by the world's stupidest non-game developer? I'll say one thing for Chris Roberts - there's no smoke bomb too small that when he throws it down, it's fully loving effective and people argue the minutia instead of realizing he's a thief getting away with our wallets.

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

EvilMerlin posted:

Its been made rather clear from the get go Drake is the cheap, low end ship manufacturer that is known to cut corners. Cheap, easy and fast to manufacture.

Aegis Dynamics: Military ships (think Boeing)
Anvil Aerospace: Military ships (think Lockheed/Martin)
Aopoa: alien manufacturer
Banu Souli: alien manufacturer
Origin Jumpworks: higher end civilian and racing (BMW?)
Crusader: Mostly larger cargo/troop/passenger (Airbus?)
Consolidated: civilian stuff
Musashi: mostly civilian stuff, all over the place
Roberts Space Industries: Cap ships and some common civilian ships

There are a few other manu's out there like Kruger, Argo and others...


I really don't get the whole OMG MY SHIP NEEDS TO BE BALANCED WITH THAT OTHER SHIP crap...

Aegis: Extra expensive milporn JPEGs for "orgs" (personal use)
Anvil: Extra expensive milporn JPEGs for personal use
Aopoa: JPEGs that don't work as advertized
Banu: Not even the JPEGs are accurate, a mystery surrounding an enigma, covered in crap
Origin: Useless super expensive JPEGs
Crusader: JPEGs for Germans
Musashi: JPEGs for weaboos
R.S.I.: Robert's pet JPEGs, also underwear
Drake: Expensive JPEGs that are supposed to be cheap.

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

EvilMerlin posted:

Seriously there are some people that get pissy about very stupid stuff. Its a loving game....

No, it's _soon_ to be a game, but right now it's an alpha. if you really want to see people get mad about really stupid stuff, wait until it IS a game.

Some people are sinking a lot of time and effort into this thing on the basis that it's all going to work out in the end, and that games always look terrible right up until they point where they are complete. Right now the industry is actually watching because it's hilarious to watch them gently caress up something like LoD culling, or having the station not load in.

In fact, it's quite the thing to go gently caress around in Port Olisar, then compare with any shooter from the past few years, because there's fluidity and solidity to them, but apparently those attempts to extend lumberyard are falling far short.

Other people have pointed out where specification has changed, but I'm fairly sure that they don't point out that _all_ indicated properties that would allow people to make an informed choice are subject to change at any time. Sure, it might be in the small print, and saying so up front would have a chilling effect, but they're going to get a bit of a shock if they release a pup.

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Agony Aunt posted:

Wait! Exploration is the number 1 career role in SC? He really said that? Oh my, my poor sides.

Exploring (your wallet) is indeed number 1, don't be a hater.

ManofManyAliases
Mar 21, 2016
ToastOfManySmarts


Can't post for 3 hours!
Hello everyone. How have things been here? Is everyone still crying/whining/bitching/moaning about a game-in-production? Or, have things become more chill? Anyone in the 3.5 PTU and enjoying the update to the flight model?

Sarsapariller
Aug 14, 2015

Occasional vampire queen

ManofManyAliases posted:

Hello everyone. How have things been here? Is everyone still crying/whining/bitching/moaning about a game-in-production? Or, have things become more chill? Anyone in the 3.5 PTU and enjoying the update to the flight model?

Hey MoMa, the game is still absolutely terrible, you're still a very poor troll who's going to try to pivot to a "Just hanging out" post when you get bored of bad faith shitposting, and I'll see you in three months for another victory lap

Strangler 42
Jan 8, 2007

SHAVE IT ALL OFF
ALL OF IT

ManofManyAliases posted:

Hello everyone. How have things been here? Is everyone still crying/whining/bitching/moaning about a game-in-production? Or, have things become more chill? Anyone in the 3.5 PTU and enjoying the update to the flight model?

Hello do you still have four thousand dollars worth of ships for a game that will never come out

monkeytek
Jun 8, 2010

It wasn't an ELE that wiped out the backer funds. It was Tristan Timothy Taylor.

his nibs posted:

nazi sympathising is bad just sayin'

Now, now, EM was simply stating certain parts of the military industrial complex was only evil adjacent and not at all complicit in the evil deeds perpetuated by a very, very small few. Why there were good people on both sides!

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

ManofManyAliases posted:

Hello everyone. How have things been here? Is everyone still crying/whining/bitching/moaning about a game-in-production? Or, have things become more chill? Anyone in the 3.5 PTU and enjoying the update to the flight model?

Where's your gameplay video you promised us 3 years ago, dipshit?


Take the toxxx or gently caress off.

ManofManyAliases
Mar 21, 2016
ToastOfManySmarts


Can't post for 3 hours!

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Where's your gameplay video you promised us 3 years ago, dipshit?


Take the toxxx or gently caress off.

no youuuuuuu gently caress off.

whew - felt good.

ManofManyAliases
Mar 21, 2016
ToastOfManySmarts


Can't post for 3 hours!

hot balls man no homo posted:

Hello do you still have four thousand dollars worth of ships for a game that will never come out

I do. I have money and I like to spend it. I'll spend more too.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

ManofManyAliases posted:

no youuuuuuu gently caress off.

whew - felt good.

Post the loving video you sleazeball. Show us the power of 3.5 Alpha like the drumbeating pr fuckstick you are!

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





Lol the 3.5 flight model is so indistinguishable from the previous one I forgot they changed it. Imagine bringing that up to try and rile people up.

ManofManyAliases
Mar 21, 2016
ToastOfManySmarts


Can't post for 3 hours!

Sarsapariller posted:

Hey MoMa, the game is still absolutely terrible, you're still a very poor troll who's going to try to pivot to a "Just hanging out" post when you get bored of bad faith shitposting, and I'll see you in three months for another victory lap

I can shitpost in whatever faith I choose. CIG is still up and running, funding is still going, and the 12 of you around here are still jerking yourselves off to each others' tears.

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





E: thanks for the double post, phone

Beet Wagon fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Apr 4, 2019

Sarsapariller
Aug 14, 2015

Occasional vampire queen

I really like that I don't actually have to go to the subreddit to know when patches hit the production server anymore because the semi-ironic-but-not-really fans will always alert me when they come in and drop some sick owns on the thread

ManofManyAliases posted:

I can shitpost in whatever faith I choose. CIG is still up and running, funding is still going, and the 12 of you around here are still jerking yourselves off to each others' tears.

"THEY'RE STILL TAKING MY MONEY YOU LOOOOOOSE" I scream as I aimlessly fly over 6 months worth of art assets with no actual gameplay mechanics in sight

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

ManofManyAliases posted:

Hello everyone. How have things been here? Is everyone still crying/whining/bitching/moaning about a game-in-production? Or, have things become more chill? Anyone in the 3.5 PTU and enjoying the update to the flight model?

Frankly it has been has been the best game I've never played.

ManofManyAliases
Mar 21, 2016
ToastOfManySmarts


Can't post for 3 hours!

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Post the loving video you sleazeball. Show us the power of 3.5 Alpha like the drumbeating pr fuckstick you are!

Hey Jobbo Fatt - how about I post a video of my rear end in a top hat instead, because you can eat my poo poo.

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Sarsapariller
Aug 14, 2015

Occasional vampire queen

Wow, 3.5 must be really good to justify these sick burns

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