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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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27 | 1.40% |
| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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1017 | 52.69% |
| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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7 | 0.36% |
| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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22 | 1.14% |
| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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17 | 0.88% |
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Z. Autobahn posted:I was something of a free college skeptic insofar as I strongly dislike the 4-year-college model and would prefer to dismantle it rather than further entrench it as a necessary institution *but* I don't see any plausible way to do that in anywhere near the timeframe as just pushing for free college and also I think Darko made a strong case that the social envrionments of college is one of the absolute best hopes we have at opening the minds of swaths of red state kids. It's not just going to a hobby, it's a social force for positive change and the more kids we send to it, the better chance we have at future generations not being absolute garbage. This is the best argument put forth for free music and philosophy degrees in this thread, IMO.
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silence_kit posted:This is the best argument put forth for free music and philosophy degrees in this thread, IMO. you really needed someone to tell you that helping people expose themselves to new ideas is healthy, both for them and this country? edit: oh, you needed someone to put it in a red vs blue context so your team sports mentality could be tickled Condiv fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Apr 5, 2019 |
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Apr 5, 2019 00:32
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If you're mad about people getting degrees that don't have a huge RoI then you ought to start by being mad at people getting degrees that are actively harmful to both the individual and society, such as, say, an MBA.
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Apr 5, 2019 00:34
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Also it seems like a loss for society if better philosophers and musicians are being wasted flipping burgers although I suppose the response I'll get will be "poor people are genetically too stupid and oafish to offer anything in refined fields anyway"
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Apr 5, 2019 00:34
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Condiv posted:you really needed someone to tell you that helping people expose themselves to new ideas is healthy, both for them and this country? Maybe in order to make more convincing arguments on internet message boards you need to develop your writing skills by getting a(nother?) college degree in writing.
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Apr 5, 2019 00:41
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We shouldn't be surprised at those who want to keep higher education out of ordinary people's hands. They're anti-education in general. Watch them pull the other way trying to get rid of public education at all levels. The whole "but who's going to paaaaay for iiiiit?" shtick is insincere. These people know good and well that most of the public's money goes into our nebulous "defense" spending. Money which could be used to save lives is instead being used to make f-35s and weapons of mass destruction. Don't listen to the magic bean counters.
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Apr 5, 2019 00:45
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Condiv posted:you really needed someone to tell you that helping people expose themselves to new ideas is healthy, both for them and this country? I'm always amused by the kind of snotty liberal who wails about the non-college-educated voters putting Trump in office yet when it comes to policies ameliorating that their classism kicks in and they can't make the connection between Democrats doing well with college educated voters and increasing the ranks of the college-educated. The most important thing a degree does is teach people critical thinking, regardless of whether it's a music degree, there's a reason the GOP is terrified of an educated electorate!
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Apr 5, 2019 00:48
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silence_kit posted:Maybe in order to make more convincing arguments on internet message boards you need to develop your writing skills by getting a(nother?) college degree in writing. i guess I should be flattered that you suggest I already have a writing degree I'd like to get another degree or two, but sadly the idea of people improving themselves beyond the bare minimum of economic necessity is verboten (and schmucks like you don't help). maybe if we had a few less f35s, people like me could more easily afford to improve themselves Condiv fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Apr 5, 2019 |
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VitalSigns posted:The most important thing a degree does is teach people critical thinking, regardless of whether it's a music degree, there's a reason the GOP is terrified of an educated electorate! ding ding ding
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Apr 5, 2019 00:52
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silence_kit posted:Being able to go to a 4 year college for your hobby for free is a kind of a luxury, IMO. IMO the government money would be better put to use for the following social programs: Wait, so it doesn't set a reimbursement rate, just sets about amount with a maximum allowed increase? I wonder what we should call "set price that colleges must abide by with maximum increases"
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Apr 5, 2019 00:57
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I wonder why people expect Republican turnout (general GOP, not Alt-Right turnout) to be as high as in 2016. What rallying points do they have this time, considering that ACA repeal is dead, the Wall isn't really getting funded, the muslim travel ban backfired, and Susan Collins' fuckup on the SC nomination?
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Apr 5, 2019 00:58
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Because the Democratic party is going to allow itself to be purity tested into Oblivion.
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Grouchio posted:I wonder why people expect Republican turnout (general GOP, not Alt-Right turnout) to be as high as in 2016. What rallying points do they have this time, considering that ACA repeal is dead, the Wall isn't really getting funded, the muslim travel ban backfired, and Susan Collins' fuckup on the SC nomination? Republican turnout will be as high as in 2016 because it is, largely speaking, a fixed constant. Trump's numbers were just barely different from Romney's. It's Dem turnout that's variable.
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Apr 5, 2019 01:02
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i hope that gropey joe gets  purity tested into oblivionhe's absolute garbage
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Grouchio posted:I wonder why people expect Republican turnout (general GOP, not Alt-Right turnout) to be as high as in 2016. What rallying points do they have this time, considering that ACA repeal is dead, the Wall isn't really getting funded, the muslim travel ban backfired, and Susan Collins' fuckup on the SC nomination? Hillary Clinton.
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Apr 5, 2019 01:04
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bird cooch posted:Because the Democratic party is going to allow itself to be purity tested into Oblivion. Tell us how you think that will play out.
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Condiv posted:i hope that gropey joe gets That's not even purity test. Biden is out in the open with a long track record of bad votes bad decisions and bad actions. However, the Sanders folks seem to be going out of their way to attack every other person running. And these fights all seem to be really one-sided. Sanders lost to Hillary Clinton of all people. In a field of what for maybe if you count the book tour guys like Webb and O'Malley. Clinton had the likeability of a wet sock and still beat Sanders soundly after what 30-odd years of Republican messaging against her? What are you going to do if he loses again? Cry foul question mark take your ball and go home?
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Apr 5, 2019 01:09
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bird cooch posted:However, the Sanders folks seem to be going out of their way to attack every other person running. And these fights all seem to be really one-sided. It’s a primary, you twit. quote:Sanders lost to Hillary Clinton of all people. In a field of what for maybe if you count the book tour guys like Webb and O'Malley. Clinton had the likeability of a wet sock and still beat Sanders soundly after what 30-odd years of Republican messaging against her? What are you going to do if he loses again? Cry foul question mark take your ball and go home? It’s almost as if he A, wasn’t running to win, and B, had immense structural and institutional barriers working against him. 
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Apr 5, 2019 01:11
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bird cooch posted:However, the Sanders folks seem to be going out of their way to attack every other person running. And these fights all seem to be really one-sided. a lot of other people running have a poo poo track record as well why should kamala harris or pete buttigieg or beto o'rourke get a pass for their crappy behavior? oh right, purity testing
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Apr 5, 2019 01:12
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Guaranteed he gets into the race still. This is going to be sad and hilarious at the same time.
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Apr 5, 2019 01:19
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Wow can't believe Republican propaganda wasn't effective in a Democratic primary. Rush Limbaugh called Hillary shrill and everything and Democrats didn't care she's a wizard.
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Apr 5, 2019 01:23
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I'm not voting for anyone who doesn't own a Prius.
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Apr 5, 2019 01:24
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Grouchio posted:I wonder why people expect Republican turnout (general GOP, not Alt-Right turnout) to be as high as in 2016. What rallying points do they have this time, considering that ACA repeal is dead, the Wall isn't really getting funded, the muslim travel ban backfired, and Susan Collins' fuckup on the SC nomination? Was right wing turnout high or was turnout in general low just not as low for the right
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Uncle Wemus posted:Was right wing turnout high or was turnout in general low just not as low for the right
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Wicked Them Beats posted:On the issue of Buttigieg being good or the devil made flesh, everything about him feels focus grouped to hell and back. If it sounds like he's saying things you like I can guarantee you it's because he saw a poll somewhere that suggested it was the right thing to say. His entire life and career has been about building a resume and you just can't trust that sort of ladder climber to do the right thing except where the right thing happens to coincide with their personal interest. gandlethorpe posted:I'm halfway through that long-rear end Current Affairs article and am starting to wonder if he's even really gay. I feel lovely to even think it, but I wouldn't count out the possibility that he crunched the numbers at some point in his life and determined it would give him an n-percent advantage in his political career to be gay over being just another straight white dude. It feels that way, but as a straight white guy, there would be hell for saying it. I had some Hillary people use the gay thing to refuse to accept any criticism in 2016, for example, so it's not completely implausible. It feels like Pete chose to put certain things in his biography to immunize him from attacks by just saying he's getting attacked because _____. Like a token six months in the military, so he can forever claim he's a veteran. Just incredibly, incredibly robotic slimy.
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One more subtle downside of a homophobic culture is that a lot of ambitious and talented gay people end up being extra establishment/bootlicker/pick your term.
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beto sex cramp posted:I'm not voting for anyone who doesn't own a Prius. Conversely, I'm not voting for anyone who does, and I live in a swing state. Your call, anyone who actually wants to be President.
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Regarding Mike Pence, people really gotta learn that someone being a true believer doesn't mean they're committed to truth or accountability. In fact, Pence's fundamentalism means the exact opposite is true - he sees his enemies as unpeople to whom he owes nothing.gandlethorpe posted:I'm halfway through that long-rear end Current Affairs article and am starting to wonder if he's even really gay. I feel lovely to even think it (fwiw, I'm a homo), but I wouldn't count out the possibility that he crunched the numbers at some point in his life and determined it would give him an n-percent advantage in his political career to be gay over being just another straight white dude. He comes across as a self-absorbed robot who doesn't care about anyone/anything unless it's something that would look good on his CV/Wikipedia page. Butt is a clown but what the gently caress, don't do this.
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Apr 5, 2019 01:40
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lets talk more about how pete "all lives matter" buttigieg is a fake progressive https://twitter.com/IBJIYONGI/status/1111977518872051712 https://twitter.com/IBJIYONGI/status/1111978727053889536 https://twitter.com/IBJIYONGI/status/1111980131684417537 https://twitter.com/IBJIYONGI/status/1113545249484308480 https://twitter.com/IBJIYONGI/status/1113548653245890566 https://twitter.com/IBJIYONGI/status/1113557312067768321 https://twitter.com/IBJIYONGI/status/1113558738328326144
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It's not the Bernie people being too interested in "purity testing" it's the fact that the last thirty years has been the Democratic leaders very deliberately pushing a specific ideology of right wing economics and "meh who really cares?" social liberalism in their candidates. The result is that the stable now is a bunch of losers with politics no one really likes outside of the upper class and an alienated base with no advocates so that's who they have with any sort of resume to run. It's not that leftists are too picky none of these losers outside of Warren and Sanders have any history that indicates they won't just welch on every platform plank they have suddenly picked up. Harris couldn't even be bothered to wait until after the election to rules lawyer "well technically I didn't go to AIPAC they came to ME  "If any of these people were half decent it would be one thing but every one of them has been exposed as bad upon the tiniest bit of investigation. Condiv posted:lets talk more about how pete "all lives matter" buttigieg is a fake progressive The fact that he was the darling of the pundit class should have been all you needed to know that he was trash. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Apr 5, 2019 |
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YaketySass posted:Butt is a clown but what the gently caress, don't do this. It is a reasonable take, especially since his campaign is trying to change the subject with a fake "is he gay enough?" controversy
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Apr 5, 2019 02:08
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gently caress off mayor buttchug
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loving lol that they insist on the "rising" and "surging" frame for Buttgieg because he went from 2 to 3% in a poll.
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There's a certain type of person in the Dem Party/Pundit Class that's desperate for a clean cut white guy to be the nominee and Buttigieg is their man now that O'Rourke started coming off as too much of an empty suit for even the empty suits to handle. Now that the Buttman is getting some heat perhaps Tim Ryan will finally have his chance at the spotlight.
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Wicked Them Beats posted:There's a certain type of person in the Dem Party/Pundit Class that's desperate for a clean cut white guy to be the nominee and Buttigieg is their man now that O'Rourke started coming off as too much of an empty suit for even the empty suits to handle. Buttigieg flaming out means it's time for another Midwestern Serious Thinker, Amy Klobuchar. Treating employees poorly is a selling point to boomers!
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Apr 5, 2019 02:28
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This thread has a weird habit of mistaking “leftists online are mad at him” with “flaming out”. Pete, Klobuchar, Harris, etc were never ever trying to earn our votes, and our opinions don’t matter to them. No one who likes Bernie is even meaningfully in play, which makes us the equivalent of a deep red state in the general. Biden, as a counter-example, is actually flaming out, insofar as this week is damaging him with a coalition of voters whose votes he’s actually chasing.
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mcmagic posted:Bernie should release his tax returns. as a Wikileaks-style insurance file, without the key. That would own.
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Z. Autobahn posted:This thread has a weird habit of mistaking “leftists online are mad at him” with “flaming out”. Pete, Klobuchar, Harris, etc were never ever trying to earn our votes, and our opinions don’t matter to them. No one who likes Bernie is even meaningfully in play, which makes us the equivalent of a deep red state in the general. Eh, I agree insofar as they haven’t actually taken off enough to flame out in the first place.
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