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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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27 | 1.40% |
| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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1017 | 52.69% |
| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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7 | 0.36% |
| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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Kraftwerk posted:Where do the republicans get this idea that Trump will steamroll Bernie into a landslide in the 2020 General. Where does this confidence come from? They internally have this mythology that the American people will never, ever vote for an honest to God socialist. As much as they blasted Clinton and Obama for being far left socialists (and I'm sure many in their moron base believed it), many of them knew they were dealing with centrists, and they believe the biggest threat to the GOP winning are democrats far enough towards the middle that they don't alienate the country. Maybe that was once even true during the 90's, and there are still some Democrats who believe it. If Bernie defeats Trump, they will be loving stunned to the core. They will have a hard time believing the polls if they show Bernie significantly up a month or so out. (Before that is fine, they just haven't gotten around to telling the people that Bernie is a wacky socialist yet, which obviously will win them the election since the guy is actually admitting to this heresy)
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They are confident that Trump will steamroll over any Democrat because <insert cultural grievance here>
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Apr 5, 2019 20:13
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Mahoning posted:Yeah this seems about right. Just this morning in a meeting I had a mostly pretty cool 70+ year old co-worker who is a lifelong Democrat make a totally cringey "be careful of the #methree" movement in regards to a female hitting on a male. I mean....just no. Even good Boomers are mostly terrible when it comes to this poo poo. Half of boomer love stories can be summed up as "he kept asking me out every day not taking no for an answer until I finally gave in and agreed to date him. Isn't that just romantic?" Groovelord Neato posted:brian kemp oversaw the election as secretary of state. When Trump beats Bernie the corporate media will say it's proof that progressivism just doesn't work. And also that there's no truth to all the claims of electoral fraud in red states. And also "remember to tune in to the Trump outrage hour at 9, we love these skyhigh ratings he gives us!"
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Apr 5, 2019 20:15
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Typo posted:They are confident that Trump will steamroll over any Democrat because <insert cultural grievance here> nah, they are fretting plenty about losing the culture war, which is why they are so narrowly focused on the courts overruling the nation. Their confidence is a Bernie thing, they genuinely think any other candidate might be a real challenger, but Bernie (and probably Warren as well) looks like political suicide to them. Losing to the socialist in a national American election, if that happens, is going to lead to months of amusing tears and freakouts.
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Kraftwerk posted:Where do the republicans get this idea that Trump will steamroll Bernie into a landslide in the 2020 General. Where does this confidence come from? I think part of this too is this stupid idea that political ideologies can neatly fit on a graph so they see socialism as an extension of (neo) liberalism rather than it's own distinct ideology. So the calculus is something like "Hillary was really liberal and she lost to Trump and Bernie is really really liberal so surely he will get destroyed." It's like how after AOC won people came out of the woodwork to insist that this did not signal a new direction for the party because she was only electable in her little liberal corner of New York but her ideas couldn't possibly win people over in the rust belt so we gotta keep running center right candidates there.
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Apr 5, 2019 20:26
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is pepsi ok posted:It's like how after AOC won people came out of the woodwork to insist that this did not signal a new direction for the party because she was only electable in her little liberal corner of New York but her ideas couldn't possibly win people over in the rust belt so we gotta keep running center right candidates there. I think this is also one of many reasons why they are obsessed with AOC. Crazy old Bernie from Vermont is one thing, but this wave seemingly figureheaded by AOC, in their head they are going "nah..... no way, surely not, right? This is a joke.... heh" while in their gut they are beginning to feel uneasy that maybe they missed something in their bubble.
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Apr 5, 2019 20:28
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Lightning Knight posted:Whether or not any individual poster votes or not isn’t going to affect the election even if the entire board decides not to vote and getting into navel gazing debates on Ethics in Voting is really boring imo. Moral influence is contagious. People model thier behavior on the the behaviors of others they like and respect or merely perceive to be of higher social status. The behaviors of some specfic individuals may be the model that larger than expected groups may follow, particularly if there are multiple iterations (eg. Y takes norms from X' behavior, then Z takes norms from Y's behavior) In a time where this is being actively hosed with. Eg. Of Dems doing it to Republicans Red Menace Hits the Crimson Tide https://www.thisamericanlife.org/671/anything-can-be-anything/act-two-3 It's a bad idea write it off as "Whether or not any individual poster votes or not isn’t going to affect the election". That may be true with regards to the specfic votes of individuals. It is not true with regards to the effects that individuals may have on others who also vote. So vote motherfuckers and insist that the people around you that respect you vote. That exertion of moral influence is probably far more important than your vote itself. Efforts to make us go lol not voting are happening right now. They're doing it to Bernie, Buttgeig, Warren, Biden, etc. Some of it, we're going to be sympathetic to. I don't want Biden to win the primary. I think that would be a disaster. But gently caress allowing malign actors to use that to cause me to discourage others not to vote.
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Apr 5, 2019 21:05
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In much the same way that it felt utterly inconceivable to everyone-not-a-chud that Trump could win, so the idea of Bernie winning feels utterly inconceivable to the center and right. Like, in their eyes, "socialist" is on par with "pedophile". The idea of a socialist President is as inconceivable to them as reality-tv-moron-pussy-grabber-prez seemed to us.
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Apr 5, 2019 21:40
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https://twitter.com/FirstDogBailey/status/1114264432945913859 Warren for President
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Apr 5, 2019 21:41
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Why can't we be the sexiest nation Until we finally overcome our foundational sin of starting of British stock, we'll never be able to do any better than simply sexier than the British Isles. Lightning Knight posted:Whether or not any individual poster votes or not isn’t going to affect the election even if the entire board decides not to vote and getting into navel gazing debates on Ethics in Voting is really boring imo. As a Florida voter in 2000, I question your conclusion. For the sake of the entire planet, I must never vote wrongly ever again. Honestly, framing the entire Creepy Uncle Joe thing a a binary disqualifying question is bad and I hope the narrative can be changed. It's what is enabling him to keep on trucking, because everyone is talking about whether or not touching a lady's shoulder or patriarchaly kissing the back of her head is a career ending incident. Which is a bad framing of the issue and is keeping him afloat with the older people who think kids these days are too soft, and other nursing home truisms. It's a visual metaphor of his horrible instincts and policy. There's no way that over the decades of giving out unrequested shoulder massages, grabbing wastes, rubbing noses, and kissing ladies that he didn't feel them tense up, pull away, and look skeeved out. The photos of uncomfortable women and girls have been low level and constant news for the entirety of his career. Yet he persisted, and when finally called out refuses to apologize. Just another entry in the pattern of refusing to apologize for anything, and demanding praise for past bad decisions and horrible actions. Joe Biden isn't unfit to be President because he smelled the hair of a single Lt. Governor Candidate in Nevada. He's unfit because she was just one of the women he did it to over 4 decades, despite mounds of evidence that it was unappreciated. And this conduct and judgement is indicative of all his bad and horrible decisions that have been foisted on the country. There's a direct line to be drawn between a guy who keeps patronizingly treating every woman like his niece(still a bad uncle), and how he treated Anita Hill, wrote bankruptcy law, opposed busing, put together the Crime Bill, and ever other lovely thing he's done. I mean, totally don't vote for a guy who goes around smelling women's hair and generally being that guy. Because, Jesus, what the hell, man? Just fight back against the narrative that this is the Milkshake Duck moment. Especially since this has been an ongoing narrative that spawned memes over a decade ago.
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Apr 5, 2019 21:42
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AsInHowe posted:https://twitter.com/FirstDogBailey/status/1114264432945913859 this was obnoxious when o'rourke was doing it and it's obnoxious when warren is doing it
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meanwhile, liking this tweet from berno https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/1114258906040160256
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Apr 5, 2019 21:48
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Condiv posted:meanwhile, liking this tweet from berno lol is he the only dem to not be full throated 'THAT PUSSY TRUMP LOVES KIM HOW DARE'?
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https://twitter.com/kthalps/status/1114177911316275206 jesus gently caress biden  tl;dl: biden's claiming now that he fought for bussing when he actually fought against it Condiv fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Apr 5, 2019 |
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Apr 5, 2019 21:55
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gourdcaptain posted:If Biden's the nominee I'm at best not donating or volunteering during the election cycle, and I donated back during 2016 when I was a broke as hell college student. At worst, despite knowing it's a terrible move overall I'm just genuinely wondering what the hell you can even do when the party as a whole takes you that for granted that your have to vote for them. Still almost certainly would (and would always vote downticket), but God I'd feel bad looking myself in the mirror later for a bit. I live in a red state so I'm perfectly happy to just not vote for a President if we decide to run with Biden. The lesser of two evils is one thing but the lesser of two sex pests is not something I need on my conscience. He's probably the only candidate with a decent shot I wouldn't bother to vote for.
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Apr 5, 2019 21:56
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Condiv posted:this was obnoxious when o'rourke was doing it and it's obnoxious when warren is doing it Beto's dog wasn't excellent, Warren's is.
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Apr 5, 2019 21:58
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biden should just not formally announce his candidacy. he should give up while he still has a few people that like him
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Apr 5, 2019 21:59
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AsInHowe posted:https://twitter.com/FirstDogBailey/status/1114264432945913859 Welp, I'm convinced. Voting for Bailey in 2020.
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Apr 5, 2019 22:00
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theblackw0lf posted:Out of curiosity, did you watch the CNN town hall? just chiming in to say: that town hall really changed my opinion of her wrt whether she's charismatic. i'd only listened to her on podcasts before and she came off as overly professorial for someone with presidential ambitions. she's much different in front of a crowd though. i think she'll do better and better once the debates begin
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Apr 5, 2019 22:01
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the_steve posted:Welp, I'm convinced. there's no rule that says a dog can't be president
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Apr 5, 2019 22:02
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There's a pretty big disconnect between the "drat biden's done just die bitch" and what the folks watching the polls are saying, which is that it doesn't seem to be having much of a hit at all. I think the rumors of his demise are greatly overstated, in that again, boomer Dems are definitely about 30% of the electorate, and this changes nothing for them. It'd be like folks thinking Bernie's cooked because he's a socialist. I think Biden's numbers start to fall once the debates hit and one of the other centrists makes a bigger splash. But this scandal is nowhere near killing him.
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Apr 5, 2019 22:03
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AsInHowe posted:there's no rule that says a dog can't be president except for the one where you gotta be 35 or older
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Apr 5, 2019 22:03
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Condiv posted:except for the one where you gotta be 35 or older he's 35 in dog years
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Apr 5, 2019 22:05
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Z. Autobahn posted:There's a pretty big disconnect between the "drat biden's done just die bitch" and what the folks watching the polls are saying, which is that it doesn't seem to be having much of a hit at all. I think the rumors of his demise are greatly overstated, in that again, boomer Dems are definitely about 30% of the electorate, and this changes nothing for them. It'd be like folks thinking Bernie's cooked because he's a socialist. don't worry, he's walking straight into new scandals when this one still hasn't blown over: Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/kthalps/status/1114177911316275206
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Apr 5, 2019 22:05
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AsInHowe posted:Beto's dog wasn't excellent, Warren's is. Pet twitters shouldn't be anything more than awesome pictures with short jokes or bad puns. A bad pet tweet: https://twitter.com/FirstDogBailey/status/1105276546712068098 A good pet tweet: https://twitter.com/FirstDogBailey/status/1085323100546367489
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Apr 5, 2019 22:12
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Apr 5, 2019 22:13
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Joe Biden looks like a young Mr Plinkett Sometimes I wonder what we're all going to look like when we become olds. Are we going to ruin things for Generation Z4??
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Apr 5, 2019 22:14
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Kraftwerk posted:Sometimes I wonder what we're all going to look like when we become olds. "Grandpa, you weren't one of those people who kept animal slaves, were you?"
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Apr 5, 2019 22:20
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Apr 5, 2019 22:25
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Z. Autobahn posted:There's a pretty big disconnect between the "drat biden's done just die bitch" and what the folks watching the polls are saying, which is that it doesn't seem to be having much of a hit at all Uh what, what polls have even come out since Sunday
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Z. Autobahn posted:Assuming we don't all boil, I think there's gonna be a lot of weird body-mod transhumanist designer-baby poo poo that makes our generation feel pretty squicky All I have to do is remember the 90s compared to now and I already feel irrelevant. Especially when it comes to social media - I neither understand it nor make full use of it the way a lot of people do today. Like it blows my mind how a high schooler today will likely have access to Instagram from as early as age 13. I would be permanently depressed if it was me because I'd constantly be trying to compete to some ideal that instagram shows you and never being able to pass muster.
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Joe Biden looks like a young Mr Plinkett I’ll bet he still had the hair plugs back then... 
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Gyges posted:As a Florida voter in 2000, I question your conclusion. For the sake of the entire planet, I must never vote wrongly ever again. I’m sorry sir I’m afraid I have to diagnose you with a terminal case of being a Florida Man. Edit: oh good what is this new avatar I see.
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Apr 5, 2019 22:32
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Kraftwerk posted:All I have to do is remember the 90s compared to now and I already feel irrelevant. oh yeah I think our notion of 'privacy' is going to seem wildly antiquated and we're all going to be really creeped out when our grandkids treat livestreaming losing their virginity as just like a normal rite of passage
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Apr 5, 2019 22:35
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Z. Autobahn posted:Bernie won't, because that's not his style, but ironically enough, that's where Harris might be a boon Warren hates him. Gillibrand is desperate. They will eat him, and that is the point of having them around.
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Apr 5, 2019 22:37
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Deified Data posted:I live in a red state so I'm perfectly happy to just not vote for a President if we decide to run with Biden. The lesser of two evils is one thing but the lesser of two sex pests is not something I need on my conscience. He's probably the only candidate with a decent shot I wouldn't bother to vote for. i live in a blue state but even if i didn't id never vote for biden or kamala or any of the degenerates running for dems. which means anyone other then bernie and i guess liz warren, assuming she hasnt did anything dumb recently
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