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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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27 | 1.40% |
| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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1017 | 52.69% |
| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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7 | 0.36% |
| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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22 | 1.14% |
| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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17 | 0.88% |
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LinYutang posted:A standard Bernie attack was about Clinton hiding her speeches to moneyed interests. Bernie knew the power of creating an air of suspicion around a candidate, especially where money is concerned, and the Clinton camp's stubbornness and weak deflections only undermined her. This is only similar if there was something inherently shady about Sander's taxes. Everyone does taxes, not everyone gets paid to talk to financial interests.
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Apr 6, 2019 15:57
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(((Bernie Sanders))) is clearly hiding something in his taxes. (((He))) should release them right now, and in fact right now is not soon enough. For some reason I don't care about the other candidates at all, but I definitely do want (((Bernie Sanders))) to win, honest guys!
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Apr 6, 2019 16:01
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People are already getting their "10 years of tax returns isn't enough" arguments ready too
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Apr 6, 2019 16:03
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LinYutang posted:A standard Bernie attack was about Clinton hiding her speeches to moneyed interests. Bernie knew the power of creating an air of suspicion around a candidate, especially where money is concerned, and the Clinton camp's stubbornness and weak deflections only undermined her. i mean that's a thing that even her own aides thought she was dumb for doing if she wanted to run for president again.
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Apr 6, 2019 16:03
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LinYutang posted:A standard Bernie attack was about Clinton hiding her speeches to moneyed interests. Bernie knew the power of creating an air of suspicion around a candidate, especially where money is concerned, and the Clinton camp's stubbornness and weak deflections only undermined her. Well it sure is a good thing that he's not being stubborn or weakly deflecting, as he is indeed releasing them. Almost like it's apples and oranges to compare the two!
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Apr 6, 2019 16:04
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I’m glad Bernie is withholding his taxes because it makes people I hate, mad. 
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Apr 6, 2019 16:05
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Nonsense posted:I’m glad Bernie is withholding his taxes because it makes people I hate, mad. Stop being like Trump's chuds.
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Apr 6, 2019 16:08
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MrFlibble posted:(((Bernie Sanders))) is clearly hiding something in his taxes. (((He))) should release them right now, and in fact right now is not soon enough. This poo poo sets me off a lot and I drafted a couple waaaay more meldown-y posts about it, but can we just not, with this? With the "you're lying about supporting Bernie" poo poo? Is that so much to loving ask?
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Apr 6, 2019 16:08
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I think Bernie (and all the other candidates) should release their tax returns and I'm satisfied with Bernie saying he'll do it after tax season. He's built up enough trust, in my book, that I don't think he'd lie about that.
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Apr 6, 2019 16:11
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mcmagic posted:Stop being like Trump's chuds. Dude I want a civil war, I’ll take idiots being mad at political nonsense.
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Apr 6, 2019 16:13
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Saying BUT HIS Pakled posted:I think Bernie (and all the other candidates) should release their tax returns and I'm satisfied with Bernie saying he'll do it after tax season. He's built up enough trust, in my book, that I don't think he'd lie about that. I honestly don't care about this ridiculous push to get tax returns in the primary since I would think any candidate would at least not be stupid enough to have anything that dangerous in theirs and run. Hillary Clinton's were fine (which she released AFTER she got the nomination) so there's an insignificant chance anyone else running currently would have anything that scandalous. The entire thing is stupid since it's just trying to push the Bernie is leftist Trump angle that centrists have been using since he got any national prominence. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Apr 6, 2019 |
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Apr 6, 2019 16:14
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Z. Autobahn posted:This is wildly inflating Buttigieg's rankings. Like he's not even above Beto at this point. Yeah, I'd put him at Ic in the GE. Sanders has $18 mil and Harris has $11 mil to his $7 mil. I figure or surmise after the first-4 primaries we should be at Biden w/ a small but not insurmountable delegate lead.
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Apr 6, 2019 16:14
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Mellow Seas posted:This poo poo sets me off a lot and I drafted a couple waaaay more meldown-y posts about it, but can we just not, with this? With the "you're lying about supporting Bernie" poo poo? Is that so much to loving ask? It is, actually. If you actually do want him to win, it's obvious. You can criticise him and still obviously want him to win. If you have to add that you actually support him, you should reflect on why you feel the need you have to add that.
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Apr 6, 2019 16:20
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Mellow Seas posted:This poo poo sets me off a lot and I drafted a couple waaaay more meldown-y posts about it, but can we just not, with this? With the "you're lying about supporting Bernie" poo poo? Is that so much to loving ask? It’s also dumb as hell because 99% of the people obsessed with Bernie’s tax returns are equally obsessed with Trump’s tax returns. Like, it’s a dumb thing, but it’s not inherently anti-Semitic.
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Apr 6, 2019 16:20
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I can already see the fracture coming if Sanders approaches the inevitability phase of the primary. Just like the triangulating Labour members who went and formed their own poo poo-centrist committee that's only job is to poo poo on Corbyn and prevent him from being PM.
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Apr 6, 2019 16:21
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MrFlibble posted:It is, actually. If you actually do want him to win, it's obvious. You can criticise him and still obviously want him to win. It's because a lot of people who post in this thread are oversensitive, paranoid, hyperventilating fanboys, hth
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Apr 6, 2019 16:23
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So what's a good reason that people want Sander's tax returns but don't care about anyone else's, especially when it's much more likely someone like Booker or Biden has something in there that indicates some sort of conflict of interests?
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Apr 6, 2019 16:24
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Z. Autobahn posted:It’s also dumb as hell because 99% of the people obsessed with Bernie’s tax returns are equally obsessed with Trump’s tax returns. Like, it’s a dumb thing, but it’s not inherently anti-Semitic. weird though how they aren't obsessed with anyone elses though. Just Trump, the orange badman and Bernie. Unless this is them admitting that Bernie is already the democratic candidate it is in fact anti-Semitic.
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Apr 6, 2019 16:24
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I get the impression they care way more about Bernie's than Trump's. Especially since they expect Trump's tax return will show he's far less wealthy than he claims to be, but that Bernie's tax returns will show proof of his secret wealth and foreign connections.
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Apr 6, 2019 16:27
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Z. Autobahn posted:It’s also dumb as hell because 99% of the people obsessed with Bernie’s tax returns are equally obsessed with Trump’s tax returns. Like, it’s a dumb thing, but it’s not inherently anti-Semitic. Trump is already President; Bernie is one of many people seeking the Dem nomination (but the only Jew) Please do not goysplain this to me tia
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Apr 6, 2019 16:27
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I get the impression they care way more about Bernie's than Trump's. Especially since they expect Trump's tax return will show he's far less wealthy than he claims to be, but that Bernie's tax returns will show proof of his secret wealth and foreign connections. also this They're expecting a hidden cache of Jew gold gained through his secret foreign loyalties
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Apr 6, 2019 16:28
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Radish posted:I would think any candidate would at least not be stupid enough to have anything that dangerous in theirs and run. You would think so, but  I think it's good for Democratic candidates to make a big fuss about Trump's tax returns because his corruption is something that voters care about. Releasing your tax returns (and there being nothing shady in them) should be like a bare minimum sign that a candidate is not fixated on personal financial gain like Trump is. Plus, if Trump's taxes do come out with House committees trying to subpoena them, we're almost certainly going to see something like how he hasn't paid federal income tax in years which would ignite a national conversation about how the rich don't pay their fair share, which would be to the benefit of leftist candidates. And obviously they can't harp on Trump's taxes too much if they haven't released their own. Do I think Bernie has anything to hide? Hell no. He has nothing to lose and only things to gain from releasing his tax returns, so he should do so, and I'm pretty confident he will.
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Apr 6, 2019 16:29
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Mellow Seas posted:It's because a lot of people who post in this thread are oversensitive, paranoid, hyperventilating fanboys, hth Why do you care what oversensitive, paranoid, hyperventilating fanboys think of you? Why do you feel the need to mollify them? Its funny that if the democratic party was less of a shitshow then the Bernie fanboys might actually be oversensitive, paranoid, hyperventilating dipshits. As it is they are people who have correctly identified the best hope for America, hth.
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Apr 6, 2019 16:29
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Mellow Seas posted:It's because a lot of people who post in this thread are oversensitive, paranoid, hyperventilating fanboys, hth https://twitter.com/FREED0Mwarrior/status/1114214314989236225
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Apr 6, 2019 16:32
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MrFlibble posted:weird though how they aren't obsessed with anyone elses though. Y.... yes? They dislike Bernie and Trump. They like the other candidates. They also think “tax returns” are a dumb magic bullet that will instantly kill any candidate they don’t like. Like, there are a million stupid reasons to dislike Bernie that aren’t anti-semitism. If anything, they’re way more guilty of Jewish erasure by constantly calling him an old white man
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Apr 6, 2019 16:32
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The taxes are a dead issue anyway that only people that hate Trump care about. No one is going to vote one way or another because of anything in Trump's. Like it's hilarious he obviously doesn't want us to see what's in there and gets mad about it but he's already a criminal making GBS threads all over any number of Constitutional requirements and norms so using them as some sort of rallying cry is a waste of time when actually putting together an attractive platform would be way more effective. No Republican voter is going to see anything in there and stay home. Once again if it's so drat important that the Democrats show their taxes to be consistent when they want to see Trump's, why is only one specific candidate getting this much attention?
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Apr 6, 2019 16:35
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I will say the Biden Defenss Squad is just existentially baffling. Like, I can *understand* the Hillary defense squad; they’re wrong, but I can understand them. I can see how if you see her first and foremost as the first female president, if you pin a lot of personal emotion and projection onto that, if you’re an older woman who’s had to deal with unworthy men getting ahead of your whole life, I can understand why she’d have a deep emotional appeal and why you’d be sensitive when she’s criticized. It’s not right, but I *get * it But.... Biden? Like loving WHY. What on earth does he have to offer or represent that’s worth defending? He’s done nothing meaningful, said nothing meaningful, represents nothing. Why would anyone make him the hill to die on? loving Boomers
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Apr 6, 2019 16:37
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The Biden defense squad is WAY more insane than the Clinton one. Clinton was basically going to be the nominee from 2015 on since there was no serious competition so I could at least see the argument of weakening her for the general (even if I very much disagreed with it). She was a mixed bag but had some decent stuff to her name and would be the first female President. Biden is one of a clown car of candidates and has nothing but problems in his history combined with multiple joke presidential runs ending in shame every time (various minor scandals like forgery and such). There isn't a single good reason to defend his rear end and not just dump him for one of the other centrists.
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Apr 6, 2019 16:39
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Ytlaya posted:Feel free to try and convince others to vote if it makes you feel better, but that will never be the real solution. The real solution is a combination of actually having candidates people like (and through good policy gradually restoring peoples' faith in the political system) and addressing voter suppression. We should do this too. But it's amazing to me the extent to which you write of the interpersonal. There is also a general misunderstanding of direction of leadship.
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Apr 6, 2019 16:48
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Bernie Sanders calls himself a socialist but his tax returns will show that he receives income! I am not a crank!!
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Apr 6, 2019 16:48
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Is your point that Joe also has hyperventilating fanboys? No poo poo. Twitter is full of oversensitive, paranoid, hyperventilating fanboys for all candidates. That's why you'd probably all be a lot happier if you stopped reading it.
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Apr 6, 2019 16:49
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Z. Autobahn posted:Y.... yes? They dislike Bernie and Trump. They like the other candidates. They also think “tax returns” are a dumb magic bullet that will instantly kill any candidate they don’t like. They think Trumps tax returns will prove he is a crook because of his history in business and shady dealings. They think (((Bernie Sanders))) tax returns will prove he is a crook because??? Nothing anti-Semitic here. Move along.
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Apr 6, 2019 16:53
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double post, weird.
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Apr 6, 2019 16:53
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I don't think Bernie has anything to hide in his tax returns and he seems to agree since he said he'll be releasing 10 years of them soon so
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Apr 6, 2019 17:00
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mcmagic posted:Stop being like Trump's chuds. chuds want to see the most vulnerable people to suffer and the people that care about those people to cry. wanting to see people whose beliefs and voting would be harmful to the country whine is not the same.
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Apr 6, 2019 17:00
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Mellow Seas posted:*erects a cross upon which we can crucify mcmagic for aposty* Is aposty some terrible illness where you lose the ability to post? Because I'd be fine with mcmagic having that
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Apr 6, 2019 17:04
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MrFlibble posted:weird though how they aren't obsessed with anyone elses though. Bernie is being held to the same standard as Elizabeth Warren, who released her returns last August without complaint or equivocation.
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Apr 6, 2019 17:04
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Yeah if there are people who don’t like Bernie who want to see his tax returns, there is probably some combination of anti semitism and wishful thinking, in whatever ratio, that wants those returns to come out so they can be dunked upon. There are also people who do like him but are concerned and annoyed, in whatever ratio, by the chatter about the returns and want him to release them so the talking point goes away. You can question their analysis but calling those latter people anti-Semitic secret Bernie haters is lovely. Don’t be lovely.
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Apr 6, 2019 17:04
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if he releases ten years of tax returns the refrain is going to be what is hiding from before that period.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Is aposty some terrible illness where you lose the ability to post? Because I'd be fine with mcmagic having that Oops, dropped a couple letters there but I applaud your attempt to Imagineer it.
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