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I only realized last night that the reason the B was on the left and the A was on the right on the NES to begin with was that Japan reads right to left and so BA probably makes more intuitive sense to them than AB. So Microsoft doing it the other way kind of makes sense from their perspective. What's really weird is I've heard the O and X are swapped the other way on Japanese PlayStations so that's got to be extra confusing.
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Imagined posted:I only realized last night that the reason the B was on the left and the A was on the right on the NES to begin with was that Japan reads right to left and so BA probably makes more intuitive sense to them than AB. With the Playstation though, O and X were meant to mirror the meaning of A and B from the Nintendo controllers, except the meaning of O and X as symbols are totally reversed in Japan and in America. They see X as something no good that's crossed out, we use it as an equivalent to a check mark. Teachers here circle things that need correcting, teachers there circle things that are correct (and checkmark things that are wrong!!) So some moron at Sony America decided to flip the standard meaning of those buttons here and 20 years later it's still a huge loving headache for everyone.
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Apr 7, 2019 00:08
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Imagined posted:I only realized last night that the reason the B was on the left and the A was on the right on the NES to begin with was that Japan reads right to left and so BA probably makes more intuitive sense to them than AB. Its actually because A was advance and therefore to the right and b was back and therefore to the left. This same orientation is seen in the direction of travel in mario. Japanese people knew what way english was written the 80s after all. Sony kept right button as advance in japan but in america was worried no one here would associate circles with "ok" so they switched it to x and xbox copied that.
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Apr 7, 2019 00:09
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How's Owlboy? I like the art style and it seems like a decent indie.
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Apr 7, 2019 00:12
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BisterdDave posted:How's Owlboy? I like the art style and it seems like a decent indie. it looks nice and that's the only thing it does well, give it a miss
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Apr 7, 2019 00:13
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Real hurthling! posted:Its actually because A was advance and therefore to the right and b was back and therefore to the left. This same orientation is seen in the direction of travel in mario. Japanese people knew what way english was written the 80s after all. You don't mark a vote with no circle, commie.  "If you can mark an X, then you're my kind of people!" - Jerry Boyle, Newfoundland Separatist, 'This Hour Has 22 Minutes'
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Apr 7, 2019 00:14
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homeless snail posted:IDK why Nintendo controllers are laid out like they are, but that reasoning seems kinda flimsy. Japanese is nominally read left to right, top to bottom, it's only vertical lines that you read from the right. I guess I've outed myself that the only 'japanese' media I've ever read were translated manga. where the panels are still in their original right-to-left orientation. I assumed the language itself was also right-to-left.
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Apr 7, 2019 00:15
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Okay but how did Japanese people ever settle on L and R as the names for half the buttons Like, that seems tough for them to navigate phenomically
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Apr 7, 2019 00:18
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RandomFerret posted:Okay but how did Japanese people ever settle on L and R as the names for half the buttons
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Apr 7, 2019 00:19
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homeless snail posted:The L/R thing in Japanese is way overblown, as is the terminal N/M thing I was playing 'Burning Rangers' for the Saturn today and a character was very clearly and audibly introduced by the voice actor as "Leed Phoenix" at the exact same moment his name, Reed Phoenix, is on screen.
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Apr 7, 2019 00:24
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Imagined posted:I guess I've outed myself that the only 'japanese' media I've ever read were translated manga. where the panels are still in their original right-to-left orientation. I assumed the language itself was also right-to-left. Japanese is read left-to-right when oriented horizontally, like the text right here. Traditionally it is written and read vertically, top-to-bottom, lines going right-to-left. This is what you'll see in actual books, novels, newspapers, and most comics.
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Apr 7, 2019 00:24
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Mister Facetious posted:"If you can mark an X, then you're my kind of people!" Holy poo poo, this brought me back.
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Apr 7, 2019 00:27
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homeless snail posted:IDK why Nintendo controllers are laid out like they are, but that reasoning seems kinda flimsy. Japanese is nominally read left to right, top to bottom, it's only vertical lines that you read from the right. What? I've never gotten a test back and been excited to see a bunch of X's. X means wrong or stop.
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Apr 7, 2019 00:28
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Imagined posted:I was playing 'Burning Rangers' for the Saturn today and a character was very clearly and audibly introduced by the voice actor as "Leed Phoenix" at the exact same moment his name, Reed Phoenix, is on screen. Cojawfee posted:What? I've never gotten a test back and been excited to see a bunch of X's. X means wrong or stop.
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Apr 7, 2019 00:30
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Yeah I'm in the US and have always known O = Yes X = No from stuff in school, so that explanation for reversing the controller never made sense to me.
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Apr 7, 2019 00:32
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Game companies put way too much thought into this when they really just all should have used the same buttons in the same drat places. The buttons could be dog face, cat face, goat face, and whale face, and everyone would pick that poo poo up within moments. No, I don't care whether whale or goat is more "affirmative" or "wrong." I will adjust.
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Apr 7, 2019 00:32
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homeless snail posted:I mean its based in reality and its a common gently caress up, but its not like Japanese people are incapable of distinguishing L and R (except when writing), if they recognize its a foreign word they'll usually get it right. And also if you're just talking about the letters L and R, they pronounce them differently So Japanese people circle boxes?
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Apr 7, 2019 00:35
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Hudson had the right idea with just numbering them.
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Apr 7, 2019 00:35
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Cojawfee posted:So Japanese people circle boxes?
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Apr 7, 2019 00:37
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One button round, another square, another shaped like a star and the last like a dollar sign
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Apr 7, 2019 00:37
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Holy poo poo, this brought me back. Apparently it's still going. Was doing a youtube search for that line and they sell seasons.
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Apr 7, 2019 00:39
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The correct layout is OUYA The actual correct buttons are NESW because it makes sense even when the controller is rotated and easy to communicate
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Apr 7, 2019 00:40
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Heath posted:One button round, another square, another shaped like a star and the last like a dollar sign Physical corners on buttons would suck, but just having these pictures on the buttons? Yes, fine, that would work originally, but Sony hosed up using some of those shapes.
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Apr 7, 2019 00:40
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asecondduck posted:The correct layout is OUYA What if each face button was an arrow? ^ v < >  Super Smash TV was right.
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Apr 7, 2019 00:44
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Mister Facetious posted:What if each face button was an arrow? Which up button
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Apr 7, 2019 00:45
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The controller for World of Warcraft on Switch.
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Apr 7, 2019 00:46
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Mister Facetious posted:What if each face button was an arrow? homeless snail posted:Press the up button
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Apr 7, 2019 00:46
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Mister Facetious posted:Apparently it's still going. Was doing a youtube search for that line and they sell seasons. Oh, I know the show is still going, but I haven't thought or heard of Jerry Boyle, specifically, in probably 20 years.
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Apr 7, 2019 00:49
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American McGay posted:This is how Nintendo does it with single joycons and it's surprisingly comprehendible to people unfamiliar with gaming. And the N64.
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Apr 7, 2019 00:51
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The reason why I said NESW was because U/D/L/R correspond to the dpad, but with single joycon there's no confusion if you say north or up
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Apr 7, 2019 01:18
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I got a switch as a birthday gift! Time to install four games and play them forever
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Apr 7, 2019 01:52
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thats very specific, choose your 4 games wisely
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Apr 7, 2019 02:05
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Zelda, Diablo 3, Dead Cells, Mario Maker 2
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Squinky v2.0 posted:thats very specific, choose your 4 games wisely Smash Fortnite Halo Smash but a physical copy
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Apr 7, 2019 02:07
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Octopath Traveller, Xenoblade Chronicles 2, Pokemon Let's Go Eevee, Diablo 3 IMO.
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Joking aside I'm thinking I'm going to get myself Smash, Mario XCOM, Mario Odyssey maybe, and a couple others. I may get Zelda but I played at a friend's and the weapon degradation bugs me a lot. Though then again I beat most of Skyward Sword using the sword as little as possible due to the malfunctioning motion controls so who knows! Mario Maker 2 may be a buy too e: Oh I lied the answer is Picross, good thinking
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There are weapons all over the place to pick up but there's also bombs, arrows, and environmental kills. I sunk a ton of hours into the game and the degradation didn't bother me at all -- I don't even think I thought about it after I got out of the starting area.
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Apr 7, 2019 02:21
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Please don't bring back the botw weapon degradation opinions.
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RBA Starblade posted:I may get Zelda but I played at a friend's and the weapon degradation bugs me a lot. Though then again I beat most of Skyward Sword using the sword as little as possible due to the malfunctioning motion controls so who knows! In my experience, Zelda, not just botw, has never been a demo experience. You need to invest yourself and really get a feel for the systems for each entry. It will also have a vr version in a couple of weeks, so there's that.
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