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If it hadn't been for british sea power (or french land power) the prime meridian in the west would still be El Hierro for one.
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It really isn't analogous though. British standards becoming the basis of the world's modern time zones and navigation was the dominant world power making standards. In the case of Earth being the center of the two main quadrants of the Federation, Humans were a new species in the realm of spaceflight, and other races had their own navigational and mapping standards for hundreds or thousands of years. It would be like a stone age, undiscovered tribe suddenly making contact with the world and over a period of 100 years they go from being taught and babied by the US, Britain, Japan, and Europe to getting those countries to unite with them and dominating that new navy, and getting the US, Britain, Japan and Europe (as well as everyone else) to adopt a new system of time zones and mapping with their country at the center. Seems a bit far fetched.
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Apr 6, 2019 17:26
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The Universal Translator did it.
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Enterprise implied that all of the Federation stuff being human-centric is because the Vulcans and the Andorians wouldn't have used each others units and we were a compromise that ended up taking over everything.
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Astroman posted:It really isn't analogous though. British standards becoming the basis of the world's modern time zones and navigation was the dominant world power making standards. In the case of Earth being the center of the two main quadrants of the Federation, Humans were a new species in the realm of spaceflight, and other races had their own navigational and mapping standards for hundreds or thousands of years. Maybe the baby Federation in the mid-22nd century was still dancing around the various rivalries between Vulcans/Andorians/Tellarites which had existed for centuries, but they needed to establish a common navigational framework in order to make fleet interopability easier. Earth would be a perfectly fine compromise choice. As the humans were the newest kids on the block, they were also the ones who had no historical rivalries to get past. Everyone liked humans, so let's put our capital there and make it the center of our maps. I mean aren't Vulcan/Andoria/Tellar Prime (40 Eridani, Procyon, and 61 Cygni respectively) all within like a radius of 20 light years from Earth (i.e basically right next door) anyway?
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Drone posted:Maybe the baby Federation in the mid-22nd century was still dancing around the various rivalries between Vulcans/Andorians/Tellarites which had existed for centuries, but they needed to establish a common navigational framework in order to make fleet interopability easier. Earth would be a perfectly fine compromise choice. As the humans were the newest kids on the block, they were also the ones who had no historical rivalries to get past. Everyone liked humans, so let's put our capital there and make it the center of our maps.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I mean that was the idea. God knows the Vulcans and Andorians were almost at war and hated each others’ guts. It's somewhat funny that the most obsessively US-centric of the shows somehow ended up to make the UN's geopolitical role more or less the equivalent of the cold war PRC
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Apr 6, 2019 18:53
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I know that feel, mang
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Apr 6, 2019 23:34
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Pictured, a young Dwight Schrute, c. 1994
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Odo could only do Pakled facial features. "Quark, we are smart."
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I'm re-watching TNG and we've just done The Royale. In the trivia it says Tracy Torme effectively left the show altogether because of the rewrites of his script and being super pissed off at everyone. Does anyone (say from the 50 year mission stuff) know what the original story was like? I quite like the episode because it reminds me so much of loads of Galaxy Magazine from the 1950s that I've read but the idea of it being more surreal is proper interesting to me. happyhippy posted:Odo could only do Pakled facial features. I still can't believe that Pakled is Starscream.
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I also like the Royale, the silly casino stuff is fun and I liked the weird sci fi mystery stuff. It's apparently not a popular episode though.
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Taear posted:I'm re-watching TNG and we've just done The Royale. In the trivia it says Tracy Torme effectively left the show altogether because of the rewrites of his script and being super pissed off at everyone. The episode was going to have the astronaut "alive" as one of the images in the fantasy, and the episode was going to end with an away team member who'd died being restored and remaining in the fantasy to keep him company.
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marktheando posted:I also like the Royale, the silly casino stuff is fun and I liked the weird sci fi mystery stuff. It's apparently not a popular episode though. I kinda wish we'd seen the unedited script but the b-plot of Picard and Troi suffering through the original novel is the best early season thing. Also I think both end up kinda working as a different kind of horror
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Royale just kind of runs out of interesting stuff to do. I like the concept but I don't think it's the best structured story.
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Nodosaur posted:The episode was going to have the astronaut "alive" as one of the images in the fantasy, and the episode was going to end with an away team member who'd died being restored and remaining in the fantasy to keep him company. I think there's more to it than that, because that stuff is mentioned in the Memory Alpha article and doesn't sound like a particularly huge rewrite? skasion posted:Royale just kind of runs out of interesting stuff to do. I like the concept but I don't think it's the best structured story. The end also doesn't really make a lot of sense. Surely the foreign investors are there as part of the story already like everyone else is.
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Taear posted:I think there's more to it than that, because that stuff is mentioned in the Memory Alpha article and doesn't sound like a particularly huge rewrite? I'm sure there is. But I can't find anything else than that.
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Picard says the book doesn't describe the foreign investors at all, they're just some weird anti-climactic deus ex machina that wraps up the lovely book, the aliens might not have had the slightest clue of how to portray them but then again they filled the place with extras so that doesn't make sense.
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That said Riker's concluding report to Picard is also literally that none of this poo poo made the slightest bit of sense so I'm pretty sure they were self aware enough.
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Nodosaur posted:I'm sure there is. But I can't find anything else than that. Yea well that's why I said maybe in 50 year mission, I can read memory alpha and referenced it in the post. Agnosticnixie posted:That said Riker's concluding report to Picard is also literally that none of this poo poo made the slightest bit of sense so I'm pretty sure they were self aware enough. True. I wonder if the astronaut ever did a groundhog day sort of thing, going absolutely mad, getting to know specific characters in it. The aliens must have given them decent backstories because I bet Mr Lubbock Texas didn't tell anyone what car he had in the novel. Maybe the original script had the crew talk to random extras who couldn't say anything back.
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"Royale" as it ended up is super TOS in the best way, all the way down to "stock set" and "no set."
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The beginning of that episode talking about the unprovability of Fermat's Last Theorem didn't age well
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cheetah7071 posted:The beginning of that episode talking about the unprovability of Fermat's Last Theorem didn't age well Technically Fermat's last theorem is currently only proven using methods that Fermat certainly wouldn't have known about because they were only developed centuries after his death, so the question remains open what Fermat's supposed proof might have been. (most likely, whatever Fermat's proof was was flawed)
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The most likely explanation is that Fermat thought he had a proof, and when he sat own to formalize it realized it didn't work and didn't update his note in the margin because why would he Picard makes the claim that it hasn't been proven at all in the 800 years between him and Fermat, though
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Taear posted:I'm re-watching TNG and we've just done The Royale. In the trivia it says Tracy Torme effectively left the show altogether because of the rewrites of his script and being super pissed off at everyone. I didn't find it in 50 year mission, but Torme describes his original script here: https://earthprime.com/articles/universe-builder quote:‘The Royale’ was really my attempt to do a Prisoner show. The hotel was [The Village] and the astronaut living there was like Number Six. This is all allegory. Every day he woke up and lived this strange life inside the Vegas Hotel. Being among all these people, who weren’t really people. It was very surrealistic and kind of sad. Very touching and very lonely and he didn’t understand his own existence. It was like being in a Vegas casino in this barren alien planet. And the Enterprise people come aboard and realized there’s only one human being there — the astronaut — and you never see the alien entity, the hotel manager, until the end. That’s my Number One. The assistant manager was Number Two. It was a very complex and surrealistic story. It’s about loneliness and isolation. He apparently also requested a pseudonym on his writing credit for "Manhunt" too, because he thought they mutilated his script there too. e: Edited in link to current page so that Transmodiar gets the hits they deserve. Epicurius fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Apr 9, 2019 |
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So he wanted his episode to sideline the entire main cast in favor of a guest star in the show’s 2nd season and threw a fit when the crew rightly balked at that. Maybe he shouldn’t have written a Twilight Zone episode when he was working for Star Trek.
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Torme also created Sliders, right? I wonder if some version of The Royale happened there and I never noticed.
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I’m working through The OA on Netflix (it’s a loving bizarre show) and I particularly enjoyed a couple of scenes where we see the inevitable fated meeting between Keiko and the Borg Queen.
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cheetah7071 posted:The beginning of that episode talking about the unprovability of Fermat's Last Theorem didn't age well fwiw they bring it up in DS9 including the part where people are still trying to figure out wtf was Fermat's actual proof
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cheetah7071 posted:The beginning of that episode talking about the unprovability of Fermat's Last Theorem didn't age well lol but seriously I posted:Wiles got ganked in the secret eugenics war, story checks out.
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Epicurius posted:I didn't find it in 50 year mission, but Torme describes his original script here: Thank you! It always annoys me when they put things like "I didn't even understand the new version". The new version makes perfect sense. It might be a bit poo poo, but it's not confusing.
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Watched Little Green Men last night, I love how everyone in 1947 is full bore 50s B-movie acting.
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Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda?
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Pakled posted:Technically Fermat's last theorem is currently only proven using methods that Fermat certainly wouldn't have known about because they were only developed centuries after his death, so the question remains open what Fermat's supposed proof might have been. I think it was said in a Wiles documentary I watched a while ago that Fermat only had the mathematical tools that high schoolers have today. So yeah, definitely trolling or flawed.
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Worf once described prune juice as "A warriors drink" has anyone ever done an analysis on what this implies about Klingon cuisine
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As someone who has to drink prune juice to stay functional I have to say that scene has taking on new meaning for me in my adult years
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The Chad Jihad posted:Worf once described prune juice as "A warriors drink" has anyone ever done an analysis on what this implies about Klingon cuisine Considering it's Worf saying it? It implies nothing about Klingon cuisine. Worf just likes prune juice but can only express that in a way that reflects his twisted worldview.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:So he wanted his episode to sideline the entire main cast in favor of a guest star in the show’s 2nd season and threw a fit when the crew rightly balked at that. I dunno, I mean I'd have to rewatch it to see how big or small his part was but Cochrane in "Metamorphosis" was a pretty big role for a one time guest star. It was about him and his life on that planet for decades. Seems they could have rewritten the astronaut role to be smaller, but not as small as a skeleton in a bed and an Exposition Diary.
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