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Astroman posted:Why are you automatically seeing misogyny here when he didn't even say why he found her insufferable? I don't like it either, but if somebody tells me they hate the new Star Wars movies and forty-nine times out of fifty when you let them talk long enough, they basically just hate that women and black people have agency in genre fiction now, I kind of have to assume the fiftieth person doesn't have any legitimate points to make until they say what they are.
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LividLiquid posted:Because when there's an incredibly online, incredibly toxic, and incredibly vocal contingent of nerds warring for control of every genre fiction franchise, it's kind of on you to explain how you're not one of them rather than on everybody else to expect that nobody is. Of course there's also the problem with online, that even if someone says they aren't coming at it from a view of hating women and black people having agency, people still won't believe them and will try to assume "they're lying, I know in their heart they are a shitlord" and disregard everything they say. If you want to see sexism, racism, etc everywhere, you're going to see it.  Chokes McGee posted:what all of them I don't think it's any other than the 4 listed. But on that topic, they've just about come out and said in The Two Masters and the River story that Beevers IS the Delgado Master after being injured and unable to regenerate; and in the interviews on the River one Beevers says he's pretty much playing him that way. I could see Beevers being able to pull off a convincing Delgado if he just changed his cadence to be a bit more suave, confident and less sepulchral, and I would love to see him playing a full on uninjured Delgado Master in something with Tim Treloar. I also see that even the Dark Shadows line has become more amenable to recasting dead actors because they are bringing back Julia Hoffman with Julie Newmar (yes, Catwoman!) playing the part. Hopefully they can get someone to convincingly play Original Barnabus, Professor Stokes, Roger, and Elizabeth and really do some old school stories.
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corn in the bible posted:I listened to The 8th Of March, big finish's box set for Women's Day. It was a mixed bag--River and Leela was good (and a rare team-up, which is nice), Ace and Benny was nice enough, Paternoster Gang was terrible, UNIT was OK. If their goal in putting in a Paternoster audio here was to sell people on the upcoming series then that is a hell of a miscalculation cause it's super bad On a scale from Scourge of the Shadow to Nekromantia how bad is it
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Astroman posted:I don't think it's any other than the 4 listed. But on that topic, they've just about come out and said in The Two Masters and the River story that Beevers IS the Delgado Master after being injured and unable to regenerate; and in the interviews on the River one Beevers says he's pretty much playing him that way. I could see Beevers being able to pull off a convincing Delgado if he just changed his cadence to be a bit more suave, confident and less sepulchral, and I would love to see him playing a full on uninjured Delgado Master in something with Tim Treloar. I'll have to relisten, because I thought Beevers was his own seperate incarnation; I know it's been a bit back-and-forth about Delgado Master and Crispy Master being the same incarnation, depending on the book/comic/audio/etc. And I know BF have pretty much said that the Pratt/Beevers Crispy Master is the same incarnation in the Two Masters. Again though, I know that the Master's incarnations is a big clusterfuck of body hopping and hissing.  My favoured one is: Young Master grows up to be Dreyfus Master (sans transphobic arsehole actor) -> x number of regenerations -> Delgado -> Regenerates into a non-hosed up Beevers/Pratt, burnt the gently caress up into Crispy Beevers -> Uses the Eye of Harmony to turn into not-so-crispy Beevers -> Potentially some body-hopping -> Possesses Tremas, becomes Ainley. -> Burns Ainley up but survives and reverts to Crispy Beevers -> Decides it would be a fantastic idea to become a hissing smoke snake, and somehow becomes Hissy -> Posseses Roberts -> At some point reverts back to Hissy and body hops again. -> The CIA restore him to use him as a soldier in the upcoming Time War, becoming MacQueen -> Regenerates into Jacobi -> Regenerates into Simms -> Regenerates into Gomez's Missy. I know the comics add a Asian boy War Master before Jacobi. And some of the books imply that the War Chief is an incarnation as well. I'm glad that Doctor Who doesn't really give too much of a poo poo about canon - I like the approach of "yeah all this other poo poo probably happened...but this is the story we want to tell now, at this very moment, and we're not going to be bound too heavily to it."
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Astroman posted:they've just about come out and said in The Two Masters and the River story that Beevers IS the Delgado Master after being injured and unable to regenerate I've not heard the River story but The Two Masters really doesn't support this. Beevers still sounds like himself before he gets crispy.
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Pesky Splinter posted:And some of the books imply that the War Chief is an incarnation as well. I believe he is, too. The way the Doctor instantly recognises him, and this sort of wacky, off the wall plan of creating a massive self-contained war dimension is right up the Master's alley.
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Chokes McGee posted:On a scale from Scourge of the Shadow to Nekromantia how bad is it "Scourge of the Shadow" sounds like some TS Eliot poo poo and now I want that to be real instead of "Shadow of the Scourge." 
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Chokes McGee posted:On a scale from Scourge of the Shadow to Nekromantia how bad is it I haven't heard either of those, it is just really dumb and has bad repetitive jokes. Sort of the problem with the characters as a whole, but now they're on their own without the doctor/clara as distractions... corn in the bible fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Apr 6, 2019 |
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After The War posted:"Scourge of the Shadow" sounds like some TS Eliot poo poo and now I want that to be real instead of "Shadow of the Scourge." whoops! corn in the bible posted:I haven't heard either of those, it is just really dumb and has bad repetitive jokes. shadow of the scourge is fantastic and purposefully funny and don't let any of these other jerks tell you otherwise nekromantaea otoh (or whatever, idc how it's spelled) is very very bad
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Astroman posted:Of course there's also the problem with online, that even if someone says they aren't coming at it from a view of hating women and black people having agency, people still won't believe them and will try to assume "they're lying, I know in their heart they are a shitlord" and disregard everything they say. If you want to see sexism, racism, etc everywhere, you're going to see it. I really didn't like The Phantom Menace, but I don't feel compelled to post in the comment thread of anything online that mentions that movie, ever. Last Jedi is the absolute worst for this, though. I've had some reasoned discussions with non-shitlords about the movie: for example, one of the main reasons for disagreement in one conversation was that the other person hated the movie because it radically redefined (retconned) Star Wars. I liked it for that reason, and argued that most of the Star Wars movies did that and the best ones did it the most. Once you arrive at "this is a thing the movie does that I consider good and you consider bad," I don't see the point in continuing the discussion. Understand each other and move on. Most of the people still up in arms have a very different agenda in claiming, online, that the movie was objectively bad and a flop and the franchise better correct itself and Disney better be listening or they and all their buddies are going to boycott. Whether or not they claim that sexism and racism has nothing to do with their reaction, their motives in bringing this stuff up at every opportunity are pretty suspect and it's quite reasonable to assume that the reason they just won't stop posting goes deeper than a disagreement about a film's artistic merit.
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2house2fly posted:Why didn't the whole rebel fleet just go to the casino The casino bit is entirely superfluous, and they should have just technobabbled straight onto the big star destroyer.
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The "base under siege" story hurt Episode VIII for me, mainly because it put the rest of the stories on a clock that they didn't need to have hanging above their heads. I'd go more into this, but this is not one of the 58 Star Wars threads on these here forums.
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Apr 7, 2019 06:47
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The casino bit was the entire point of the film
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The casino sequence was worth it just for the bit where they say the place is home to the worst scum in the galaxy, then cuts to some rich people.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:The casino bit had huge issues but the payoff with the broom kid at the end was fantastic. marktheando posted:The casino sequence was worth it just for the bit where they say the place is home to the worst scum in the galaxy, then cuts to some rich people. These are both good points. 
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marktheando posted:The casino sequence was worth it just for the bit where they say the place is home to the worst scum in the galaxy, then cuts to some rich people. It was as close as Star Wars is ever likely to get to Oxygen. Though in my ideal world, there's a scene in Episode IX where Kylo Ren has just gotten himself comfy on a throne and Mark Gatiss walks into the room to collect on the massive debt that the First Order ran up building all those massive starships. (Bonus points if he represents the Ferrous Bank.) Ren starts to choke him and he points out that he's an expendible employee, and the bank isn't even headquartered on a single planet so there's nothing Ren can do to destroy it. After it becomes clear Ren knows nothing whatsoever about the economic part of running an Empire, Gatiss' character is named Minister of Finance. The crippling taxes he institutes on all but the wealthiest Imperials end up giving the struggling Resistance a massive recruitment boost. Obviously a fantasy scenario, though past movies have hinged upon parliamentary procedure, so not impossible.
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Clearly Canto Bight was where Clara was at the end of Listen when she went to the barn and talked to the kid Doctor, who was the broom kid at the end of the movie
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Like 90% of Classic Who is about mining/labor/land rights disputes and more franchises can learn from that.
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After The War posted:Like 90% of Classic Who is about mining/labor/land rights disputes and more franchises can learn from that. The border negotiation treaties OF DEATH
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jivjov posted:For all the good it'll do...I reached out with another email to them asking them to positively affirm that they won't be employing him ever again As have I, making the point to some low-paid intern that Doctor Who is a beacon of progressive ideals for many people and a positive escapism from a world that seems increasingly darker. But, y'know, whatever good that'll do. I'm at least content that I've made my opinion towards his actions clear and I will not be purchasing anything with him involved. Though on a less serious note - I did enjoy his performance, but it was somewhat lacking from what I expected in a 'first doctor/master' meetup. I would think there'd be a lot less animosity and it would be a good place to showcase how their relationship declined. But it was an enjoyable story regardless. Shame it's now tainted forever for me :/ Although the Torchwood series has been a bright spot for me overall, the latest release has been a real struggle to get through, and I abandoned it in favor of the Gallifrey Time War series. Maybe I'll pop back to it at some point, but does it get any better than the first thirty minutes or so?
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LividLiquid posted:Because when there's an incredibly online, incredibly toxic, and incredibly vocal contingent of nerds warring for control of every genre fiction franchise, it's kind of on you to explain how you're not one of them rather than on everybody else to expect that nobody is. I mean, I'd assume the same crowd also hated the prequels and probably for similar reasons, not tied to the progressive culture shift stuff. Disney outright obliterated decades of canon and history and material, makes all the canon butchery from the prequels look tame in comparison. Change every woman and POC to a white person, I'd wager there'd still be the same proportion of gripers. At the same time, I totally get how it got entangled up in all that and it's basically impossible to have a conversation about it one way or the other anymore. Khanstant fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Apr 8, 2019 |
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It did disappoint me in that Big Finish story where the Sontarans did actually manage to get their hands on a weapon that made the Daleks/Time Lords at least notice them during the Time War. I far preferred the notion that the Sontarans were just hideously offended that the entire time the war was going on, they were running around desperately trying to take part but neither side even noticed they existed.
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Khanstant posted:I mean, I'd assume the same crowd also hated the prequels and probably for similar reasons, not tied to the progressive culture shift stuff. Disney outright obliterated decades of canon and history and material, makes all the canon butchery from the prequels look tame in comparison. Change every woman and POC to a white person, I'd wager there'd still be the same proportion of gripers. At the same time, I totally get how it got entangled up in all that and it's basically impossible to have a conversation about it one way or the other anymore. My sister receives death threats or some other form of harassment almost every time she posts a comment on any of the Star Wars social media accounts, and somehow I doubt it has anything to do with Disney relegating a bunch of books and games to non-canon status. It’s an extremely vocal minority of insecure male fans who are threatened by the inclusion of prominent non-white non-male characters and they’re just using the “Disney killed the EU!”, “Disney raped my childhood!”, “Rey is a Mary Sue!”, “The Sequels suck!”, etc arguments as a dogwhistle so they don’t have to openly admit that they’re racist or misogynistic. I’m sure there are legitimate non-chud fans who take umbrage with the Disney films for various real reasons, but it’s hard to fault anyone for assuming they’re arguing in bad faith at first glance when 99.9% of Star Wars discussion on the internet has been co-opted by chud fanboys.
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*Waves* Mind, cross out the 'The' there. I've never actually seen any of the new Star Wars movies besides Rogue One, which was Fine. I'm not a huge Star Wars guy and I hate Disney just on principle and have for y-e-a-r-s. Nearing a decade on that one! I actually think I'd like Last Jedi if only because of how many lovely people it made cry. I have one friend who is one of those "he's not a bad person, but he holds some deep seated ugly views that he doesn't realize he holds and he's afraid to actually think about and confront them" types. Like I say that in a mean way but I do mean it genuinely, he isn't actively regressive and whatever- but he is. Deep down. Mostly due to his own lack of introspection and whatever. He rides hard on the "She's a Sue" train and that things are bad because they're bad. Trying to argue that kind of logic is doomed to failure because it isn't wrapped in any actual logic. It's born from an emotional response to something that he's not even fully aware of and any time some one pokes that bear it gets into a whole other debate that's easily sidetracked and cliffaced. So I can say with some minor assurance Even if some of the CHUDS genuinely, honestly, truly believe they don't have an issue with women and try to argue the merits of the film They might still have an issue with women that they themselves are blind to. They wouldn't attack some one for being a woman, they wouldn't do other nasty things- but they are resentful and don't fully understand why. And reaching those people is not your job, nor is it anyone elses. If you can try to make them understand, that's great, but for most they have to see it in themselves to come around. And the loudest ones are the ones that DO actively belittle women and think they're lesser and how dare this franchise ever feature someone that isn't one to one relatable for me and they deserve every bit of scorn and hate they get
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Big Mean Jerk posted:My sister receives death threats or some other form of harassment almost every time she posts a comment on any of the Star Wars social media accounts, and somehow I doubt it has anything to do with Disney relegating a bunch of books and games to non-canon status. It’s an extremely vocal minority of insecure male fans who are threatened by the inclusion of prominent non-white non-male characters and they’re just using the “Disney killed the EU!”, “Disney raped my childhood!”, “Rey is a Mary Sue!”, “The Sequels suck!”, etc arguments as a dogwhistle so they don’t have to openly admit that they’re racist or misogynistic. Yeah, that poo poo is real, annoying and exhausting, like so much else in this timeline. I'm still super uncomfortable with Disney using CGI and insane copyright laws to allow themselves to puppet actors from beyond the grave. The implications of being in a Disney project and consequently signing away your own image for life and after just adds to the general mountain of Disney problems for me, almost none of which seem to be topics of contention for most. You know what, thinking back I think I have encountered people who hated TLJ but actually praised Rogue One. Personally, as just a stupid old star wars nerd, Rogue One was the most offensive of any post-Disney SW product, since it directly changed the story and tensions of New Hope, going so far as to like intrude on actual shots and moments of the first ever movie. Just a weird and kind of rude thing to do. Nobody agreed with me on that gripe though, folks seemed to like Darth Vader suddenly doing nu-SW sabre rave dancing in the Correllian, were okay with the hot potato game where Vader fails to get it as it bops around comicly in front of him, eventually cutting to Leia gazing into space saying the name of the movie Rogue One apparently directly leads into now. That was fine by them, but Rose exists so... TLJ bad? gently caress, I keep having flashbacks to SW discussions, I remember deliberately unsubbing or blocking SW subs on reddit because it was so frustrating to wade into in every post. I like stupid canon nerd squabbling, but not weird hate boy social media gang bullshit. I liked TLJ, with the caveat in the same way I thought Prometheus and Star Trek 2009 were enjoyable, but that they would be more appropriate in their own unique skins instead of existing IP. I wonder if the prequel trilogy would likewise have been better if it was it's own cohesive contained thing. Regarding Mary Sue: I hate looking up Clara discussions, the first time I did it I was surprised anyone hated her for any reason at all, and I remember being ultra confused at someone who accused her of Mary Sue. Like, I don't think you get to call anyone a Mary Sue if The Doctor is around, a magic alien who gets new powers and tricks more often than golden age superman did. The Doctor is basically a walking game of Calvinball. Besides, what kind if monster do you have to be to take issue with Clara anyway? Almost curious how or if that comes up in the shittier parts of the web about the current Doctor, since it's seems so obvious to refute it with just how Doctor Who is. I'm still waiting to start the most recent season, so I've avoided pretty much any review or response to it besides a few metafilter posts. Khanstant fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Apr 8, 2019 |
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McGann posted:Although the Torchwood series has been a bright spot for me overall, the latest release has been a real struggle to get through, and I abandoned it in favor of the Gallifrey Time War series. Maybe I'll pop back to it at some point, but does it get any better than the first thirty minutes or so? It gets stabby-er, and there's a good scene with Gwen towards the end. Oh, and Eve Myles has a terrifying bit where she reinacts a scene from the original series. That's about it. If it's not doing it for you in the spooksy department, or as a satire of Big Finish productions, then it's probably not doing it for you.
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Khanstant posted:Almost curious how or if that comes up in the shittier parts of the web about the current Doctor, since it's seems so obvious to refute it with just how Doctor Who is. I'm still waiting to start the most recent season, so I've avoided pretty much any review or response to it besides a few metafilter posts. I haven't deleved too deeply, but some of the louder vocal backlash to the new series was insane - pretty much like all the comments you can probably imagine to the new SW films - female main lead, BAME actors doing things, etc - to the point that I wonder why they even loving watch the show. Like, Series 11 has problems, but having a female lead and a racially diverse cast...you have to be hosed-in-the-head to even consider those as "problems". I once found a site that was dedicated to re-editing DW to follow a more conservative outlook - like, if you're going to spend your time and effort to edit out a vast chunk of the show - why are you even watching it at that point?
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Jerusalem posted:Wha... what? Why? How? No scratch that, why? WHY!?! The Daleks finally figured out how to use Adobe Premiere?
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After The War posted:The Daleks finally figured out how to use Adobe Premiere? THE DOC-TOR IS USING THE CLONE TOOL! E-RASE! E-RASE!
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Pesky Splinter posted:I once found a site that was dedicated to re-editing DW to follow a more conservative outlook - like, if you're going to spend your time and effort to edit out a vast chunk of the show - why are you even watching it at that point? How does that work, do they like re-edit The Claws of Axos to make Chinn the hero of the story or what
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I found their cut of Caves of Androzani! (Bearing in mind that Morgus is a business owner, and not officially part of the government in any way.)
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