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TotalLossBrain posted:I contend that the Eighties have been ruined forever by Ernest Cline. That's like saying the Fred Durst fucktape ruined sex. Just don't watch/read/listen to it lmao.
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TotalLossBrain posted:I contend that the Eighties have been ruined forever by Ernest Cline. counterpoint: Carpenter Brut
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Apr 7, 2019 19:36
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Jerry Cotton posted:That's like saying the Fred Durst fucktape ruined sex. Just don't watch/read/listen to it lmao. Sure, it's as easy as going your whole life avoiding goatse. Just don't look at it, lmao.
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Yeah, exactly! Why would anybody want to avoid either of those?
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TotalLossBrain posted:Sure, it's as easy as going your whole life avoiding goatse. Just don't look at it, lmao. Now I'm curious; what, exactly, did goatse ruin for you?
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Apr 7, 2019 23:40
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TotalLossBrain posted:I contend that the Eighties have been ruined forever by Ernest Cline. Or, you know, Ronald Reagan.
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Apr 7, 2019 23:43
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The eighties loving sucked outside computers being fun and manchildren going all 80S KIDS need to get something new to obsess over before all our culture is just reboots of children's franchises from 1985 and synthwave youtubes.
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barbecue at the folks posted:The eighties loving sucked outside computers being fun and manchildren going all 80S KIDS need to get something new to obsess over before all our culture is just reboots of children's franchises from 1985 and synthwave youtubes. I'm okay with the synthwave videos on YouTube.
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Webcomics are kind of a relic. here's an Oral History of some Weird that it just glosses over PvP, Penny Arcade, Sexy Losers, 8bit Theatre, Megatokyo, Exploitation Now, Sinfest... There was a lot of poo poo out there even in 2000, 2001. Seems like they gathered a bunch of creators from where the Questionable Content guy is from and just had them tell their slice.
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barbecue at the folks posted:The eighties loving sucked outside computers being fun and manchildren going all 80S KIDS need to get something new to obsess over before all our culture is just reboots of children's franchises from 1985 and synthwave youtubes. The eighties had a welfare state so no they didn't suck they were literally the best possible decade. (  if you didn't have one in the eighties; your parents and grandparents all sucked rear end and voted for fascists or communists  )
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FilthyImp posted:Webcomics are kind of a relic. how are they gonna talk webcomics without achewood and PBF I didnt read the article, so maybe they did? 
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FilthyImp posted:Webcomics are kind of a relic. Well, they did manage to get their dig in at Penny Arcade: quote:We were always aware we had found a way to express our views and say things directly to a massive audience. But as Spidey says, you can’t just have the power. You need to take responsibility, too. I'm basically a superhero because I made a comic nobody read... now I'm not saying Penny Arcade is gamergators, but, well...
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Criticizing a work based on its hypothetical audience is all kinds of  who the gently caress is that guy anyway?(That was a rhetorical question.) Especially since there's like 40 000 things in Penny Arcade you could criticize it for.
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Jerry Cotton posted:Criticizing a work based on its hypothetical audience is all kinds of Yeah, you could criticize PA for how their art started going downhill in 2005ish and never got better, or how their jokes had basically gone to poo poo well before the dickwolves, or how the one guy's blog posts were always pretentious garbage (especially rich since he considered himself an intellectual but basically read only garbage fantasy) But anyway the criticism comes from the famed Jon Rosenberg, creator of well-known comics "Goats" and "Scenes from a Multiverse"!
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Pham Nuwen posted:Yeah, you could criticize PA for how their art started going downhill in 2005ish and never got better, or how their jokes had basically gone to poo poo well before the dickwolves, or how the one guy's blog posts were always pretentious garbage (especially rich since he considered himself an intellectual but basically read only garbage fantasy) Well I was thinking more along the lines of: it loving sucks lol but sure. Pham Nuwen posted:But anyway the criticism comes from the famed Jon Rosenberg, creator of well-known comics "Goats" and "Scenes from a Multiverse"! I'm sorry I BISed those.
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This article has forced me to contemplate whether it is sadder if Sluggy Freelance is still being written or if it has stopped. Dont ruin it for me, the suspense is the only positive memory I have of the comic.
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What was that "old" webcomic that was a stick figure? e: NetBoy? I think that's it.
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Motherfuckin Megatokyo is still running. Last update was May 2018. I give Piro a lot of poo poo for his content update schedule and posts, but it looks like he finally evolved his art a bit. Also looks like he's dealing with rough family age-related poo poo. So I hope at least that MT has made him happy somewhat. Jim Silly-Balls posted:how are they gonna talk webcomics without achewood and PBF But, uh, nothing else. Which is weird considering how renowned it is. Achewood gets a side-mention but no interview. It's just weird one of them was joking about being one of like, two webcomics in 2003 when Keenspot was a thing since 2000. It's basically an oral history of Topato Inc and the way the landscape changed from Merch funded creators to Patreon FilthyImp has a new favorite as of 16:15 on Apr 8, 2019 |
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barbecue at the folks posted:The eighties loving sucked outside computers being fun and manchildren going all 80S KIDS need to get something new to obsess over before all our culture is just reboots of children's franchises from 1985 and synthwave youtubes. I had a fondness for the 80's because I was ages 0-8, and spent a lot of time playing in dirt with transformers.
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FilthyImp posted:It's just weird one of them was joking about being one of like, two webcomics in 2003 when Keenspot was a thing since 2000. He says he had only heard of Achewood, his own, and then someone emailed him with a link to their webcomic. He wasn't saying there were only 3, he had only heard of three at the time.
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Cojawfee posted:He says he had only heard of Achewood, his own, and then someone emailed him with a link to their webcomic. He wasn't saying there were only 3, he had only heard of three at the time. dino comics guy from 2003 posted:The first comic I read was Achewood, which is probably the best webcomic ever. It didn’t have a links page, so I thought Achewood invented webcomics. Mine was the second webcomic on the internet.
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StrongBad emails were better than any web-comic.
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Shifty Nipples posted:StrongBad emails were better than any web-comic. 
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Cojawfee posted:Context clues can be tricky sometimes.
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Openly insufferable but accurate statement: I had basically lost interest in reading webcomics by the time most of these "early" webcomics even started; how old does that make me? Once Jerkcity stopped amusing me and B0N3D00D & PLaTeDeWD stopped updating I felt like it was all over, we had hit the end of Internet comics Oh I guess I was into PVP at first, which is vaguely shameful now.
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I read Exploitation Now, Sexy Losers, Megatokyo, PvP, and Penny-Arcade religiously while in junior high, sometime in 2000-2003. That's probably not even all of them. Oh, and Something Positive! And Sinfest. Jesus Christ that's a lot of bad comics. 
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Some of my fondest memories of university are of trolling the megatokyo community forums and getting the entire campus banned.
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barbecue at the folks posted:I read Exploitation Now, Sexy Losers, Megatokyo, PvP, and Penny-Arcade religiously while in junior high, sometime in 2000-2003. That's probably not even all of them. Oh, and Something Positive! And Sinfest. Jesus Christ that's a lot of bad comics. I read a lot of webcomics in high school because they were the 56k modem equivalent of a Netflix binge: find one you've never read, go back to the first comic, and just plow through the archives. Once you've cached the rest of the website, you're really only fetching the individual comics, so you could actually read pretty quickly. I followed Penny Arcade devotedly in HS even though I didn't really play games; I binged through most of User Friendly before realizing it was pretty garbage; got most of the way through Something Positive until I realized how loving insufferable the dialog was. A friend pointed me at Megatokyo and I read a pretty good chunk of it, but IIRC there was a collaborator who left early on and without his efforts the artist disappeared entirely up his own rear end. Other poo poo I remember reading at some point:
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:how are they gonna talk webcomics without achewood and PBF achewood is out because it seems like they mostly dug up Jeph Jacques' inner circle for this (and, tbf, that inner circle includes Ryan North who is probably the biggest legit mainstream success out of that era) Chris Onstad lives on the opposite side of the country from Jeph Jacques, the two do not even remotely get along, and their fans loving hate each other with the fury of a million suns (the achewood facebook groups contained one specifically for talking about how QC is worthless misogynistic garbage and Jeph should get his hands crushed into powder for writing it) e: regarding PBF I think that guy's mostly just kind of a recluse e2: hahahaha I love how they go out of their way to use one of the first QCs, when it looked like complete poo poo and not technically-competent-but-bland the way it is now WeedlordGoku69 has a new favorite as of 20:44 on Apr 8, 2019 |
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I wanna see one of those galaxy-brain memes (or something similar) showing the progress of Penny Arcade's art (early) "boring, barely competent, but at least the jokes are funny" (soon) "hey these characters are getting some cool unique designs and the artist is improving fast" (later) "holy poo poo this stuff is stylish, this guy got some art game now" (then) "WOAH HOLD ON TOO FAR TOO FAR WTF  "
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Data Graham posted:I wanna see one of those galaxy-brain memes (or something similar) showing the progress of Penny Arcade's art galaxy brain: BUCK TEETH AND TUMBLR NOSE
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Peak penny arcade art was 2009 or so. Stylish characters, detailed backgrounds, etc. Then everything went all Ren & Stimpy wack. (Note, "peak" relative to itself. It's never been good.)
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No one used to read Roomies!/It's Walky? It's back, in college form, at Dumbing of Age! It's really kind of trippy knowing that and, like, Wapsi Square are these huge decades-long stories now. I guess that's kind of a cool part of webcomics, allowing people to just keep telling stories. Pham Nuwen posted:A friend pointed me at Megatokyo and I read a pretty good chunk of it, but IIRC there was a collaborator who left early on and without his efforts the artist disappeared entirely up his own rear end. the wiki explains it thusly: WeebComic Drama posted:Piro/Gallagher: Come to think of it, that's a big reason why Piro's self-pitying posts and update schedule were hugely grating to me, as was his constant appeal that MT was like a sidejob prelude to whatever half-done CLAMP style manga-doodles he had worked on a month ago. FilthyImp has a new favorite as of 21:14 on Apr 8, 2019 |
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Pham Nuwen posted:
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Star Man posted:Was Sinfest never bad?  His running count of Syndicate rejections was cute at first and then I think it just made him bitter. But that was some clean-rear end linework for a while. Apparently there's deep lore now?
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Dr. Quarex posted:Oh I guess I was into PVP at first, which is vaguely shameful now. I was into PvP as well, but started to lose interest when Kurtz decided he wanted to try and get the comic into newspapers and become the modern Garfield. Webcomics seemed hip and cool at the time, but if you're actively trying to get in with thousand year old cartoonists and have your work featured in the deadest, lamest medium, it sort of puts a downcast on the whole thing.
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afen posted:Hackles? http://hackles.org/ Wow that's bad in an almost charming way. No, the one I'm thinking of was better drawn but much, much stupider. I remember a lot of "fanservice" in the mix too. Edit: gently caress, I found it: http://www.applegeeks.com/ It's even worse than I remember, christ. There's a CAD crossover:  edit 2: this guy was definitely jerking it to some of the stuff he drew Pham Nuwen has a new favorite as of 21:31 on Apr 8, 2019 |
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FilthyImp posted:
Deep lore is a natural occurrence when you've been writing the same comic for twenty years.
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