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Was there ever a major shift in how we perceive characters in Westerns who had fought for the Confederacy? I'm watching an oater from the 50s and a character was a confederate soldier. The fact that the film doesn't seem to hold that against him makes me think contemporaneous (to the movie) audiences didn't either. The boring answer might be that our attitudes slowly evolved with the civil rights movement, but I'm wondering when movies started using that detail about a character to maybe make us think we don't like him (and what caused that change).
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Apr 9, 2019 03:12
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Groundskeeper Silly posted:Was there ever a major shift in how we perceive characters in Westerns who had fought for the Confederacy? I'm watching an oater from the 50s and a character was a confederate soldier. The fact that the film doesn't seem to hold that against him makes me think contemporaneous (to the movie) audiences didn't either. I can't think of a movie that really did that? Maybe Wild Wild West?
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Apr 9, 2019 03:47
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I'm sure a bunch of these before the 60's were just about good ol heroic southern soldiers, with no mention of slavery. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_and_television_shows_about_the_American_Civil_War
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Apr 9, 2019 04:04
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It definitely didn't change outright with the Civil Rights movement. The Outlaw Josey Wales came out in 1976 and has Eastwood's character be both the clear hero and a Confederate soldier. Related fun fact about Buster Keaton's The General: Wikipedia posted:In early 1926, Keaton's collaborator Clyde Bruckman told him about William Pittenger's 1863 memoir The Great Locomotive Chase, about the 1862 Great Locomotive Chase. Keaton was a huge fan of train history and had read the book. Although it was written from the Union Army perspective, Keaton did not believe that the audience would accept Confederates as villains and changed the story's point of view.
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Apr 9, 2019 04:10
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Samuel Clemens posted:Related fun fact about Buster Keaton's The General:
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Apr 9, 2019 04:17
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The outlaw mythology of the west in the US highly derives from former confederates “outrunning” the expansion of federal law enforcement. It’s why Ben Shapiro now likes Jesse James. There’s a 50’s movie called “The Raid” about a civil war confederate raid on a small vermont town (they came through canada) the confederate spy befriends the wife and son of a dead union soldier and then at the end when they burn the town the movie plays him leaving with the kid sobbing “but I don’t want him to go!” As his mother holds him and weeps, “I know”. The confederates are basically terrorists and the movie still plays it like a heroic act and runs all the story beats as such.
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Apr 9, 2019 04:29
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Birth of a Nation was merely reflecting attitudes of the day
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Apr 9, 2019 04:51
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Groundskeeper Silly posted:Was there ever a major shift in how we perceive characters in Westerns who had fought for the Confederacy? I'm watching an oater from the 50s and a character was a confederate soldier. The fact that the film doesn't seem to hold that against him makes me think contemporaneous (to the movie) audiences didn't either. A good article in the Jacobin about the portrayal of the Civil War in Hollywood. https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/08/civil-war-cinema-confederacy-keaton-lost-cause Basically, up until the 21st century, the Lost Cause narrative was strong in cinema.
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Apr 9, 2019 04:53
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Modern superhero and supersoldier films are basically the same fascist poo poo too, so it never stopped, just the costumes changed
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Apr 9, 2019 05:06
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How well does the '67 Producers hold up? I've always wanted to watch it, growing up was always a big Young Frankenstein and Blazing Saddles fan, etc. YF still holds up, anyway. Then there's... a Matthew Broderick remake from 2005? What value is there in watching that one?
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Apr 9, 2019 07:24
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XboxPants posted:How well does the '67 Producers hold up? I've always wanted to watch it, growing up was always a big Young Frankenstein and Blazing Saddles fan, etc. YF still holds up, anyway. The 1967 version is a classic. The 2005 remake is a musical.
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Apr 9, 2019 07:26
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Why hasn’t Tarentino released the “Whole Bloody Affair” cut of Kill Bill? It was on sale years ago for pre-order on amazon but I haven’t heard a peep since. If I remember right Kill Bill was originally just one big movie that got cut in two. Is it a rights issue?
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Apr 9, 2019 07:41
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It's definitely not happening now, after that Uma driving footage got out. He dosen't seem like a guy who cares to look back on his movies. He never does audio commentary (edit: for his own stuff). The time probably passed once Inglorious came along. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 09:10 on Apr 9, 2019 |
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Apr 9, 2019 09:07
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XboxPants posted:How well does the '67 Producers hold up? I've always wanted to watch it, growing up was always a big Young Frankenstein and Blazing Saddles fan, etc. YF still holds up, anyway. The Producers '67 is a masterpiece.
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Apr 9, 2019 13:38
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Groundskeeper Silly posted:Was there ever a major shift in how we perceive characters in Westerns who had fought for the Confederacy? I'm watching an oater from the 50s and a character was a confederate soldier. The fact that the film doesn't seem to hold that against him makes me think contemporaneous (to the movie) audiences didn't either. Confederates have always been cast better in movies. All the classic Civil War movies involve Rebels. I can think of only one that was told from the Union side (Glory). It's an odd issue, but probably helped along by the romance of a Lost Cause™ and all those dashing Southern gentlemen. It works even better in the Old West because you've got a character whose out there because his home and way of life are gone rather than a regular old cowboy. They never seem to bring up the whole slavery thing though.
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Apr 9, 2019 13:46
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Deadguy2322 posted:The 1967 version is a classic. The 2005 remake is a musical. They're both fun, and both have their own flaws. The neat thing was how the plot is changed a bit between them
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Apr 9, 2019 14:55
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XboxPants posted:How well does the '67 Producers hold up? I've always wanted to watch it, growing up was always a big Young Frankenstein and Blazing Saddles fan, etc. YF still holds up, anyway. Counter opinion: both '67 and '05 Producers are bad. '67 suffers a lot from "being made in 1967" disease - there's an interminable scene where far-out trippy  hep-cats have a dance that drags the movie to a screeching halt, and the pacing is rough regardless. Wilder and Mostel mostly save it, though.The '05 Producers is a tragedy; it's a stage play shot like a play. Lots of wide shots with a locked-down camera. It does literally nothing with the format of "being a film," and that's terrible because it is a legit great stage play I cannot endorse enough.
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Apr 9, 2019 17:43
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Easy Diff posted:Counter opinion: both '67 and '05 Producers are bad. '67 suffers a lot from "being made in 1967" disease - there's an interminable scene where far-out trippy Come on, that scene is worth it just for Zero shouting "THAT'S OUR HITLER" while Dick Shawn munches on a flower.
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Apr 9, 2019 19:11
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Love Power is the perfect 60s song.
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Apr 9, 2019 22:44
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Samuel Clemens posted:Love Power is the perfect 60s song. It's the greatest 60's song tied with every musical number from Wild in the Streets and also the I Love You, Alice B. Toklas theme song.
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Apr 9, 2019 23:13
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Blind Azathoth posted:"V sinem more, v beloy pene" - created in 1984 by the Soviet Armenian director Robert Sahakyants. Motherboard crapped out and I finally got it back from ASUS, only to find this tab was still in my chrome start. Thank you.
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Apr 10, 2019 03:16
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Your Gay Uncle posted:Why hasn’t Tarentino released the “Whole Bloody Affair” cut of Kill Bill? It was on sale years ago for pre-order on amazon but I haven’t heard a peep since. If I remember right Kill Bill was originally just one big movie that got cut in two. Is it a rights issue? Because he only wants The Whole Bloody Affair and the roadshow version of The Hateful Eight to be seen in theatres. On an entirely unrelated side note, Quentin Tarantino owns the New Beverly theatre in beautiful Los Angeles, California.
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Apr 11, 2019 20:17
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I watched A Bridge too far tonight. It's good! I liked The Longest Day too, are there any other three hour long military procedurals I should be aware of?
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Apr 16, 2019 01:16
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Gripweed posted:I watched A Bridge too far tonight. It's good! The Thin Red Line Patton (kinda)
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Apr 16, 2019 02:00
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Dr Zhivago Lawrence of Arabia Das Boot
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Apr 16, 2019 02:02
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Gripweed posted:I watched A Bridge too far tonight. It's good! Gettysburg. 
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Apr 16, 2019 02:06
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got any sevens posted:Das Boot
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Apr 16, 2019 02:09
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I don't remember anyone getting arrested at the end of Das Boot. Gripweed posted:I liked The Longest Day too, are there any other three hour long military procedurals I should be aware of? Why settle for a mere three hours when you could watch The Human Condition?
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Apr 16, 2019 02:15
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Samuel Clemens posted:I don't remember anyone getting arrested at the end of Das Boot. because that movie sounds like a bummer
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Apr 16, 2019 02:18
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Gripweed posted:I watched A Bridge too far tonight. It's good! You could watch Band of Brothers in one sitting and call it a 10 hour long movie.
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Apr 16, 2019 04:08
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Gripweed posted:I watched A Bridge too far tonight. It's good! Judgement of Nuremberg is 3 hours.
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Apr 16, 2019 04:48
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Krispy Wafer posted:You could watch Band of Brothers in one sitting and call it a 10 hour long movie. That sounds like a great way to spend a cold or rainy day.
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Apr 16, 2019 05:50
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Verhoeven's Soldier of Orange sits somewhere between 2½ - 3 hours. Edit: Apparently the duration depends if you watch the movie or mini-series cut. Don't know if you can find a sub-titled version of the latter, let alone a digital version. Mierenneuker fucked around with this message at 12:06 on Apr 16, 2019 |
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Apr 16, 2019 08:11
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What's spirit gum? I saw it mentioned in another thread, in regards to J-Law's Mystique makeup, and I've seen it before, but does it just help prosthetics stay on?
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Apr 16, 2019 09:19
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_gum The word 'merkins' just brightens my day. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Apr 16, 2019 |
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Apr 16, 2019 09:20
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Krispy Wafer posted:You could watch Band of Brothers in one sitting and call it a 10 hour long movie. BoB is so drat good.
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Apr 16, 2019 10:40
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Gripweed posted:I watched A Bridge too far tonight. It's good! Tora! Tora! Tora! Twelve O'Clock High The Dirty Dozen
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Apr 16, 2019 14:24
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Sand Monster posted:Tora! Tora! Tora!
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Apr 16, 2019 14:33
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therattle posted:BoB is so drat good. If you watch it now it’s like a who-who’s of unknown British actors who would become popular a decade later. Tom Hardy looks like pre-serum Steve Rogers he’s so young and tiny.
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Krispy Wafer posted:If you watch it now it’s like a who-who’s of unknown British actors who would become popular a decade later. Tom Hardy was in BoB??? Its actually sad how many careers didnt really pan out of BoB actors.
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