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Jaxyon posted:LOL yes he's a white supremacist how is this even a discussion. Bad wording on my part. What I meant to say was Miller cares primarily about inflicting cruelty and suffering on brown people, and much less about some ideological "advancement of the white race", which is why he's both a white supremacist and Jewish.
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Apr 9, 2019 18:53
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That was an abrupt ending to the nazi hearing...
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Apr 9, 2019 18:53
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WoodrowSkillson posted:MODERATE 👏 DEMOCRATS 👏 ARE 👏 REPUBLICANS Ok cool so when are you going to get progressive primary challengers for the entire blue dog caucus then. Or are you just going to continue delivering half-baked hot takes like this is some sort of revelation.
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Apr 9, 2019 18:55
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Jaxyon posted:LOL yes he's a white supremacist how is this even a discussion. It’s not even a secret, there’s plenty of evidence right out in the open and it’s just another hashmark on the wall of conservatives who refuse to believe uncomfortable reality. https://twitter.com/chick_in_kiev/status/1115562160254541825?s=21
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Angry_Ed posted:Ok cool so when are you going to get primary challengers for the entire blue dog caucus then. Or are you just going to talk about the problem without doing anything like you usually do. I'm sure the Dems are lining up in UT... Wasn't this a plot point in West Wing LOL
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WoodrowSkillson posted:MODERATE 👏 DEMOCRATS 👏 ARE 👏 REPUBLICANS They aren't Republicans, but they ARE conservative by any measure. The Democrats represent the full range of sane, but often wrong, people. The Republicans represent the crazy right fringe. The problem is that Republicans are still the largest threat to human civilization the world has ever known, so completely wrong, but sane, people end up being quasi-allies.
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Apr 9, 2019 19:00
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I mean, they can just... exist. We don't really need to launch a crusade against UT at the moment. We can just thank them for their service towards advancing our agenda, and tell them not to hit their rear end on the door when the Republican party stops being the party of white supremacists, Nazis, and dominionist zealots. ...lol
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And just think if you had your way and Steny Hoyer became speaker of the house instead of Pelosi, this bill might actually mean something.
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Apr 9, 2019 19:15
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theflyingorc posted:They aren't Republicans, but they ARE conservative by any measure. The Democrats represent the full range of sane, but often wrong, people. The Republicans represent the crazy right fringe.
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Apr 9, 2019 19:20
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pookel posted:In a sane world, the Democrats would be the *right-wing* party among the major parties, and the Republicans would be a tiny fringe. Years ago a poster from Germany on another forum I was on put it succinctly. "In Europe, the Democrats would be the right-wing party, and the Republicans would be in an insane asylum" Granted this was before the resurgence of nationalist/fascist parties in Europe
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Angry_Ed posted:Years ago a poster from Germany on another forum I was on put it succinctly. "In Europe, the Democrats would be the right-wing party, and the Republicans would be in an insane asylum" not in hungary or poland 
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GreyjoyBastard posted:not in hungary or poland We're having a bit of a moment in Estonia, too.
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Apr 9, 2019 19:24
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https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1115680085011566593 Womp womp
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Apr 9, 2019 19:24
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Z. Autobahn posted:Oh yeah, fair enough, he's absolutely a white supremacist in terms of deeds. I meant more in terms of squaring the "BUT HES JEWISH" angle that his motivations are less ideological and more purely sadistic. You know how many Jews willingly cooperated with Nazis and shoved millions of fellow Jews into boxcars bound for the death camps? Plenty. Self interest is a hell of a drug.
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Apr 9, 2019 19:26
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Dapper_Swindler posted:lol, miller is a loving nazi and his family hates him. gently caress this enabler. i didn't know his family hated him but they should and i hope it makes him sad
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GreyjoyBastard posted:not in hungary or poland I mean I did say years ago (like over a decade ago) but yeah.
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Apr 9, 2019 19:27
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What "context" are these idiots crowing over that makes what Owens said ok? She literally said if he'd only done his genocide in Germany that that would be ok. What "context" am I missing?
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Apr 9, 2019 19:29
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InsertPotPun posted:What "context" are these idiots crowing over that makes what Owens said ok? "Just watch the whole video before you judge!" "Well, okay, I guess..." *watches whole video* "What the gently caress?" "LOL you watched a whole video about white nationalism you must be a Nazi LOL"
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Apr 9, 2019 19:30
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GreyjoyBastard posted:i didn't know his family hated him but they should and i hope it makes him sad Yep: "Stephen Miller Is an Immigration Hypocrite. I Know Because I’m His Uncle. If my nephew’s ideas on immigration had been in force a century ago, our family would have been wiped out." https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/08/13/stephen-miller-is-an-immigration-hypocrite-i-know-because-im-his-uncle-219351
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Apr 9, 2019 19:33
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InsertPotPun posted:What "context" are these idiots crowing over that makes what Owens said ok? The "context" that ends the argument until they can decide on where to move the goalposts to next.
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Apr 9, 2019 19:34
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InsertPotPun posted:What "context" are these idiots crowing over that makes what Owens said ok? Well that and he's not a real nationalist because a real nationalist doesn't kill their own people. Which...uh...that's certainly an interesting definition. EDIT: Also she said Hitler was for globalism and she's against that which...well again...interesting definition Angry_Ed fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Apr 9, 2019 |
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Apr 9, 2019 19:35
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ummel posted:I can't get over how something as stupid as gamergate has had such a profound impact on national politics. Well, when I started in the game business, it was a pretty small part of the media world. Now it exceeds the film industry in scope. Case in point, Activision's sales in 1988 were around $70m. Last year? $7.50b.
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luxury handset posted:honestly we need $5 gas and need it to stick around for at least a decade. gas is way too cheap Gas is close to that in San Diego (at least the premium my wife's car runs on) and even though her car isn't bad at 100k miles, it's making the prospect of switching to an EV a attractive one. Me? I use a bicycle for most of the week.
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InsertPotPun posted:What "context" are these idiots crowing over that makes what Owens said ok? Hitler wasn't a nationalist because he genocided his own people, which is not something a nationalist would do. He killed his own people because he was a homicidal maniac. If he just wanted to make Germany great, that's fine because it's nationalism and nationalism is good. Hitler was actually a globalist because he had ambitions outside of Germany. So you see, Hitler = not a nationalist, but a murderous globalist = bad nationalism = good If Hitler was just a nationalist he'd have been fine. (It's totally incoherent don't try and make sense of it) edit: she's not saying that if Hitler had confined his genocide to Germany, it'd be fine. She's defending nationalism as a good thing by saying Hitler wasn't actually a nationalist. Pellisworth fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Apr 9, 2019 |
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Z. Autobahn posted:Bad wording on my part. What I meant to say was Miller cares primarily about inflicting cruelty and suffering on brown people, and much less about some ideological "advancement of the white race", which is why he's both a white supremacist and Jewish. This is my take too. Miller is primarily motivated by his hate of Hispanics, so he allies himself with the white supremacist movement because they share common goals. But he obviously doesn't share all the goals of white supremacy, because he does recognize himself as Jewish after all. It's similar to how Mussolini was allied with the Nazis, but wasn't a Nazi himself.
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It's very important that we hash out whether Stephen Miller is a "real" White Nationalist or merely someone who identifies with them and shares their goals and methods, which is different
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qkkl posted:This is my take too. Miller is primarily motivated by his hate of Hispanics, so he allies himself with the white supremacist movement because they share common goals. But he obviously doesn't share all the goals of white supremacy, because he does recognize himself as Jewish after all. It's similar to how Mussolini was allied with the Nazis, but wasn't a Nazi himself. Nothing about Stephen Miller is in any way inconsistent with the neofascist ideology explicitly laid out by Steve Bannon (aka Sessions' other fash protege). theflyingorc posted:I'm sure THIS TIME is the qkkl post that isn't just intended to make people bicker whoops
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qkkl posted:This is my take too. Miller is primarily motivated by his hate of Hispanics, so he allies himself with the white supremacist movement because they share common goals. But he obviously doesn't share all the goals of white supremacy, because he does recognize himself as Jewish after all. It's similar to how Mussolini was allied with the Nazis, but wasn't a Nazi himself. I'm sure THIS TIME is the qkkl post that isn't just intended to make people bicker
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Are people really gatekeeping for white supremacy? Miller is a white supremacist, and if you are squeamish about that then you don't understand white supremacy.
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TheScott2K posted:It's very important that we hash out whether Stephen Miller is a "real" White Nationalist or merely someone who identifies with them and shares their goals and methods, which is different I'll encapsulate the entire argument: Miller is what happens when two people love each other very much, and instead of a baby they produce a howling mess of insanity.
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Today in USPol people argued that Miller isn't really a White Nationalist and Candace Owens isn't really a moron, and in both cases I'm extremely curious what more either of them could do to prove that they are.
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qkkl posted:This is my take too. Miller is primarily motivated by his hate of Hispanics, so he allies himself with the white supremacist movement because they share common goals. But he obviously doesn't share all the goals of white supremacy, because he does recognize himself as Jewish after all. It's similar to how Mussolini was allied with the Nazis, but wasn't a Nazi himself. This is a hair-splitting distinction and is, in a material sense, utterly meaningless. There were pro-NSDAP Jewish groups. They ended up just as tragically dead as those who opposed the NSDAP. Miller's "degree of alignment" with white nationalism is irrelevant both to us and to his own fate in the final accounting.
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TheScott2K posted:Today in USPol people argued that Miller isn't really a White Nationalist and Candace Owens isn't really a moron, and in both cases I'm extremely curious what more either of them could do to prove that they are. Well, Candace could get a bunch of her nazi friends to wear diapers in a play pen in on the National Mall in a  of lib owning
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TheScott2K posted:Today in USPol people argued that Miller isn't really a White Nationalist and Candace Owens isn't really a moron, and in both cases I'm extremely curious what more either of them could do to prove that they are.
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Pembroke Fuse posted:This is a hair-splitting distinction and is, in a material sense, utterly meaningless. There were pro-NSDAP Jewish groups. They ended up just as tragically dead as those who opposed the NSDAP. Miller's "degree of alignment" is irrelevant both to us and to his own fate in the final accounting. I agree it's functionally meaningless, but given that the entire GOP talking point strategy today is "But he's JEWISH!", pointing out that you can support the cause of white supremacy while being neither white nor particularly invested in the ideology feels like a reasonable counter-argument. Like, it's not an exoneration of Miller, it's just an explanation of his motives.
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