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kiimo posted:The Chiefs clearly drafted Speaks to be a 4-3 end last year. Which means they had to force him into a linebacker in the 3-4 last year as a placeholder. Which means they expected to lose Sutton and switch to the 4-3 this year (other draft picks reinforce this idea like Dorian O'Daniel and Armani Watts) and that means that the Chiefs had zero idea Mahomes would walk in and nearly take them to the Super Bowl his first year playing. Not that I blame them, that poo poo was unreal. It's possible they had an eye towards a future scheme change, but it's quite possibly a Bob Sutton thing. Those old-school 3-4 coaches will sometimes stick a huge guy out there as a SAM out of some sort of vestal fear of the single wing or whatever. The Parcells-era Dolphins had like three straight years where they tried to convert guys that someone else had played as a 3-4 DE.
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kiimo posted:The Chiefs clearly drafted Speaks to be a 4-3 end last year. Which means they had to force him into a linebacker in the 3-4 last year as a placeholder. Which means they expected to lose Sutton and switch to the 4-3 this year (other draft picks reinforce this idea like Dorian O'Daniel and Armani Watts) and that means that the Chiefs had zero idea Mahomes would walk in and nearly take them to the Super Bowl his first year playing. Not that I blame them, that poo poo was unreal. also this is what I too believe
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I think the general consensus might be sleeping on how early Dexter Lawrence might go- right outside of the top 10 is about standard for guys like this. Haloti Ngata, BJ Raji, Dontari Poe, Star Lotulelei, Danny Shelton, and Vita Vea all went from #9-#14, and I think it's pretty reasonable to slot him in there talent wise. I wouldn't be surprised if the Dolphins ended up taking him at #13.
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The draft should be early April imo.
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It should be the weekend after the NCAA championship and yes I said the weekend.
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kiimo posted:It should be the weekend after the NCAA championship and yes I said the weekend. Signed. First round on Thursday night sucks balls.
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wandler20 posted:https://twitter.com/greggabe/status/1114278582380109824 lmao forever if the Giants replace their veteran noodle-armed game manager QB for a rookie noodle-armed game manager QB. Slowpoke! posted:I dunno teams value QB, DL, and OT pretty equally in terms of overdrafting. If there is a run on OTs I think it will come only after Bosa, Williams, Allen, Oliver, Sweat, Gary, and maybe even Burns, Ferrell, and Lawrence all go. Maybe Dillard slips into the top 10 because he projects as a LT, but I can’t see any receivers, backs or other OLgoong ahead of the best pass rushing prospects. I'm thinking more in the back half of the first round, although probably some teams will reach in the front half too. Fat Jesus posted:Non-chiefs fans seem to be having trouble understanding just how bad Bob Sutton was I know he was bad, but the way I see it the Chiefs have less overall talent on defense right now than they did last year. The draft hasn't happened yet, obviously, but going by what's happened so far it doesn't look that promising. It looks like the D line will be significantly weaker while the secondary should maybe be a little bit better. Overall the talent has (maybe) declined a tiny bit. Of course, your argument is that scheme changes and better coaching will maximize the talent available, and it might work out that way. Kind of impossible to say
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It should be noted that a playing Honey Badger is better than a not-playing Eric Berry. It should also be noted that apparent shitbag Breeland Speaks was playing linebacker as a slow 280 pound defensive end and managed to pressure quarterbacks at twice the rate of Justin Houston. They didn't translate into sacks but that could be something in a new scheme where he's playing his correct position. Also guys like Anthony Hitchens and Kendall Fuller played much better before jumping into Sutton's scheme. I feel like not doing that think before react thing will improve a lot of guys on this defense. My point is, few inside the Chiefs fanbase think this defense got worse by losing Berry, Houston and Ford. Outside people keep saying they lost a lot to a bad defense and that really isn't what happened. They still have some quality defensive linemen including Chris Jones who had 15.5 sacks from an interior position last year.
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Sack and a half Speaks Ogbah: 3 Okafor: 4 Perception is one thing but man that defensive line is WAY worse.
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kiimo posted:It should be noted that a playing Honey Badger is better than a not-playing Eric Berry. It should also be noted that apparent shitbag Breeland Speaks was playing linebacker as a slow 280 pound defensive end and managed to pressure quarterbacks at twice the rate of Justin Houston. They didn't translate into sacks but that could be something in a new scheme where he's playing his correct position. Also guys like Anthony Hitchens and Kendall Fuller played much better before jumping into Sutton's scheme. I feel like not doing that think before react thing will improve a lot of guys on this defense. Yeah Honey Badger is the main thing that makes me think the secondary might be better. It still looks like a bad secondary in the big picture, though. I have no idea what the off ball linebacker situation is right now. It was bad last year though. Very bad. The defensive line, losing Justin Houston and Dee Ford, may bounce back better than people think with some young players filling those roles. It may also take a step back after losing two large contributors. Again, hard to tell. Chris Jones is really good, but one guy doesn't make a good defensive line. That's just from a talent perspective. The scheme change may end up suiting the players really well (no doubt in my mind that Speaks would be better in that scheme) and it all just clicks, or the Chiefs might nail the draft defensively. I'd love to see the defense get better, I just haven't seen anything yet that definitively points that direction.
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Perception is one thing but man that defensive line is WAY worse. Yeah the line is going to be way worse, that's what happens when you let a couple of elite/or at least near elite pass rushers go. I'm surprised someone is making an argument otherwise really. At the same time....they had the best or close to the best pass rush in football last year and they loving sucked. Like, it's hard to say how bad they were defensively. Maybe they'll be worse, we'll see! But man...well I'll be angry if they lose another game after scoring 50 I guess.
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Catfish Noodlin posted:I think the general consensus might be sleeping on how early Dexter Lawrence might go- right outside of the top 10 is about standard for guys like this. Haloti Ngata, BJ Raji, Dontari Poe, Star Lotulelei, Danny Shelton, and Vita Vea all went from #9-#14, and I think it's pretty reasonable to slot him in there talent wise. DTs usually drop because it's one of the easier positions to play. It's also a durable position so there's usually more DTs available to fill those slots too. I also feel like DTs usually are DTs from the get go in pop warner so they suffer less from getting moved around, more focus on building their talent at their position and what not so the competency level is higher than in other positions.
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Doltos posted:DTs usually drop because it's one of the easier positions to play. It's also a durable position so there's usually more DTs available to fill those slots too. I also feel like DTs usually are DTs from the get go in pop warner so they suffer less from getting moved around, more focus on building their talent at their position and what not so the competency level is higher than in other positions. Maybe, but I don't think that's really true for guys who are two-gap defenders. There's not a lot of them being produced, and if you can find a guy who can do that without being an otherwise useless specialist I think it makes sense there'd be a premium for them. A guy like Lawrence especially with that kind of play strength and 34"+ inch arms you can pretty much expect him to two gap whoever you put him over.
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Catfish Noodlin posted:Maybe, but I don't think that's really true for guys who are two-gap defenders. There's not a lot of them being produced, and if you can find a guy who can do that without being an otherwise useless specialist I think it makes sense there'd be a premium for them. A guy like Lawrence especially with that kind of play strength and 34"+ inch arms you can pretty much expect him to two gap whoever you put him over. Exceptional 2-gap DTs are rare, and worth a high pick if your defense is 3-4 base. I'd kill to have Casey Hampton again, let alone Ngata who was probably even better than Hampton
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Play posted:Yeah Honey Badger is the main thing that makes me think the secondary might be better. It still looks like a bad secondary in the big picture, though. Dorian O'Daniel and Hitchens will be primary sub backers and really the big questions are at the #1 corner spot and FS. They have some possibilities at FS maybe, but I don't see a #1 corner on the roster or a great option in the draft.
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Draft attendees. No Haskins in interesting. https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1115744481679167491
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kiimo posted:edit: and also isn't Simmons a domestic abuser? I don't think they go that direction again. Simple assault as a freshman but the video description uhhhhhh https://247sports.com/Article/Jeffery-Simmons-and-the-murky-question-of-second-chances-120993034/ quote:The video shows a fight between two women, Sophia Taylor and Simmons’ sister, Ashley Bradley, in Simmons’ hometown of Macon, Mississippi. Initially, Simmons tries pull Bradley and Taylor apart. As the fight continues, he jumps back into the pile, pulls Taylor away and swings at her multiple times while she lays prone on the ground.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Draft attendees. No Haskins in interesting. having 4 qbs there is a recipe for one of them not getting picked, although i also don't know why you'd have 3 there either.
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Is anyone coming to Nashville for the draft? Was planning on taking the family but I’d be down for a goon hangout or whatever.
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Amy Pole Her posted:Jones over Haskins? Is this actually something we care about or should read into? Joe Thomas is probably the go to example as a high first round guy who decided to go fishing on draft day. Like, do we just assume Haskins or whoever thinks he's going low or do we think he just doesn't want to deal with the whole thing?
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Am I totally remembering wrong, or is Haskins' pre-draft process a lot like Geno Smith's? I feel like Geno was generally regarded as someone who, at the very least, would go in the top 10-15 picks, and potentially in the top 5, until the 2-3 weeks before the draft, when the consensus suddenly changed to "oh yeah, he's gonna drop."
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That means the team who was in love with him early on has gotten cold feet after they realized there was no real fervor from other teams
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I think Haskins is dropping because of his pro day. He really didn't look good at all and more teams are starting to realize he's a big project. Not that it's a stock killing thing but none of the QBs are particularly solid top 10 picks anyway.
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2013 QB Class: EJ Manuel Geno Smith Mike Glennon Matt Barkley 2014 QB Class: Jonny Manziel Teddy Bridgewater Derrick Carr Jimmy Garappolo http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000329616/article/simms-geno-smith-better-than-any-qb-in-the-2014-draft-class quote:"I think if Geno Smith was in this draft class he would be the number one guy, without question."
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Yeah I'm assuming Haskins just wanted to stay with his family. LiquidFriend posted:I'm anticipating that they're going to draft either Jerry Tillery or Jeffrey Simmons and have the interior rushers do the heavy lifting and just stick some solid try hard guys out at DE. A reasonable plan. I do think the 4-3 will suit the talent there better than the 3-4. No Irish Need Imply posted:please no jones or lock at 11 Jones would be a huge mistake there. Lock might be alright but he also might turn out to be another Andy Dalton or, even worse, fail to beat out Dalton. But there's potential there too. Do you like Haskins?
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I no longer hope that Bosa drops to the Jets after learning that he's a MAGA Chud.
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mcmagic posted:I no longer hope that Bosa drops to the Jets after learning that he's a MAGA Chud. Lol
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kiimo posted:2013 QB Class: I feel like a lot of former players turned pundits don't have the ability to take a step back when they evaluate. They'll sit there and see someone put up a ton of counting stats then think about how hard it was to put up similar stats then instantly crown the guy. This happens a lot when they're all-world college players too. Geno Smith was super exciting in Morgantown so in Simms' mind he was probably only comparing Geno Smith to Manziel.
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Geno had an RG3 like span at WVU where he had more TDs than incompletions well into the year if I remember right. In, like, October of that year I remember definitely wanting to draft him because he was just killing it (in an offense that he can't play in the pros, against Big 12 defenses, etc etc).
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