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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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27 | 1.40% |
| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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1017 | 52.69% |
| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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7 | 0.36% |
| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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22 | 1.14% |
| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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17 | 0.88% |
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VH4Ever posted:Right. So the best we can do is a 9/11 truther. Not shocking you equate anti-imperialism with anti-science. But yes this country is hosed, duh. "America is Already Great" didn't work as a slogan for a reason.
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Apr 10, 2019 17:26
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You really want to lord it over people that they threw $1 towards something good, huh? Oh no, my McChicken budget! What a shame it went towards a possibility of getting anti imperialism talking points in the debates. gently caress off with trying to shame people for believing in a better world.
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Apr 10, 2019 17:26
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Trabisnikof posted:Not shocking you equate anti-imperialism with anti-science. No, I'm comparing nutter conspiracy theories apples to apples. But sure, I love war. You got me there.  WampaLord posted:You really want to lord it over people that they threw $1 towards something good, huh? If we're lucky he'll be able to slip the Building 7 stuff in too. EDIT My lunch today? Spite McChickens.
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Apr 10, 2019 17:27
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VH4Ever posted:No, I'm comparing nutter conspiracy theories apples to apples. But sure, I love war. You got me there. But he isn't running on 9/11 Trutherism, he's running on anti-imperialism. That's the difference between your glib equivalency to running on anti-vaccine.
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Apr 10, 2019 17:28
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VH4Ever posted:If we're lucky he'll be able to slip the Building 7 stuff in too.  Heh, you naive children, wanting for good talking points to be brought up in the debates, be more cynical like me and realize that since literally no one is perfect, we should never try to do anything positive ever loving get over yourself, this is the real  poo poo that the lefties get accused of peddling.
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Apr 10, 2019 17:30
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VH4Ever posted:Right. So the best we can do is a 9/11 truther. isn't trump a truther too?
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Apr 10, 2019 17:32
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Typo posted:isn't trump a truther too? Are you donating to his campaign?
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Apr 10, 2019 17:33
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VH4Ever posted:Are you donating to his campaign? no? what does that have to do with antyhing
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Apr 10, 2019 17:33
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VH4Ever posted:Right. So the best we can do is a 9/11 truther. Unfortunately, legitimately anti-imperialist voices are extremely rare in American politics.
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Apr 10, 2019 17:34
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Trabisnikof posted:But he isn't running on 9/11 Trutherism, he's running on anti-imperialism. That's the difference between your glib equivalency to running on anti-vaccine. But he's a truther running on anti-imperialism. You don't see the problem with your supposed "voice of reason" on foreverwars being a conspiracy nutter? And *I* am the one not understanding what's going on here? King of Solomon posted:Unfortunately, legitimately anti-imperialist voices are extremely rare in American politics. Hey, spend your money however you like. Myself, I'll be having some bad chicken and I'll enjoy it.
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Apr 10, 2019 17:34
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VH4Ever posted:No, I'm comparing nutter conspiracy theories apples to apples. But sure, I love war. You got me there. Look at you thinking poo poo still matters in 2019. Just look at you. poo poo doesn’t matter. How the gently caress do you look at the president, all of it, and think it matters? This motherfucker could say the Matrix 3 was the best of the series and it would not matter. Nobody cares.
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Apr 10, 2019 17:35
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Trabisnikof posted:But he isn't running on 9/11 Trutherism, he's running on anti-imperialism. That's the difference between your glib equivalency to running on anti-vaccine. you probably don't want the face of your movement to be jet fuel can't melt steel beams
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Apr 10, 2019 17:36
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VH4Ever posted:But he's a truther running on anti-imperialism. You don't see the problem with your supposed "voice of reason" on foreverwars being a conspiracy nutter? And *I* am the one not understanding what's going on here? Do you think he's going to bring up 9/11 trutherism at the debate if he somehow makes it there? VH4Ever posted:Hey, spend your money however you like. Myself, I'll be having some bad chicken and I'll enjoy it.  love to shame people for putting their money where their mouth is, even if it's only $1Typo posted:you probably don't want the face of your movement to be jet fuel can't melt steel beams And you probably don't want your Democratic presidential candidate to have used prison slave labor, but in the words of the philosopher Jagger, you can't always get what you want. WampaLord fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Apr 10, 2019 |
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Apr 10, 2019 17:36
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VH4Ever posted:But he's a truther running on anti-imperialism. You don't see the problem with your supposed "voice of reason" on foreverwars being a conspiracy nutter? And *I* am the one not understanding what's going on here? So you would prefer a debate stage entirely devoid of anti-imperialist voices?
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Apr 10, 2019 17:37
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King of Solomon posted:So you would prefer a debate stage entirely devoid of anti-imperialist voices? Yes. If the only such voices I could find also believe Building 7 was loving exploded on purpose.
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Apr 10, 2019 17:44
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VH4Ever posted:Yes. If the only such voices I could find also believe Building 7 was loving exploded on purpose. That's kinda hosed up, but you do you. Myself, I recognize the damage regularly caused by American imperialism and consider having a strong voice on the subject to be more important than litigating someone's completely irrelevant positions. This guy isn't going to be president.
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Apr 10, 2019 17:46
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King of Solomon posted:So you would prefer a debate stage entirely devoid of anti-imperialist voices? I'd prefer a disavowal of the connection between "anti-imperialism" and "9/11 trutherism".
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Apr 10, 2019 17:47
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King of Solomon posted:That's kinda hosed up, but you do you. Myself, I recognize the damage regularly caused by American imperialism and consider having a strong voice on the subject to be more important than litigating someone's completely irrelevant positions. This guy isn't going to be president. If the dude is on stage talking about US imperialism and building 7, the only thing people will remember is building 7
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Apr 10, 2019 17:48
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Well, we could listen to a lot of good leftist policy from a candidate that definitely has one Really Wrong Opinion, though it's not policy adjacent. Or we could only listen to bad policy from other candidates that just have a lot of smaller, wrong opinions, with those wrong opinions being directly impacting to their policy and human lives.
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Apr 10, 2019 17:49
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and also, Bernie does a pretty good job of denouncing Kissinger and w/e so you have a much more reasonable voice capable of convincing people so it's not like we are stuck with Jet Fuels 7
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Apr 10, 2019 17:49
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Typo posted:If the dude is on stage talking about US imperialism and building 7, the only thing people will remember is building 7 Oh, so you do think he's gonna bring up 9/11 trutherism if he makes it to the debate? With his 3-4 minutes of talk time, you think that's the issue he's gonna focus on? e: vvv lol okay yea that's definitely gonna happen
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Apr 10, 2019 17:50
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WampaLord posted:Oh, so you do think he's gonna bring up 9/11 trutherism if he makes it to the debate? With his 3-4 minutes of talk time, you think that's the issue he's gonna focus on? "Mr Gavel there are rumors swirling around that you believe 9/11 was an inside job and building 7 was blown up by Bush what is your answer"
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Apr 10, 2019 17:50
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King of Solomon posted:That's kinda hosed up, but you do you. Myself, I recognize the damage regularly caused by American imperialism and consider having a strong voice on the subject to be more important than litigating someone's completely irrelevant positions. This guy isn't going to be president. Right, right, right, right, you're so much better a person than I am. I see that now. When's the next war starting up? Studio posted:Well, we could listen to a lot of good leftist policy from a candidate that definitely has one Really Wrong Opinion, though it's not policy adjacent. Or we could only listen to bad policy from other candidates that just have a lot of smaller, wrong opinions, with those wrong opinions being directly impacting to their policy and human lives. Dude, if you feel that LITERALLY EVERY OTHER CANDIDATE besides the 9/11 was an inside job guy has all poo poo policies, why are you even in this thread? Why bother voting for anyone at all? VH4Ever fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Apr 10, 2019 |
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Apr 10, 2019 17:52
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No there are two or three with good policies and I want as many as possible to form a coalition against the army of bought and paid for corporate moderates.
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Apr 10, 2019 17:57
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VH4Ever posted:Yes. If the only such voices I could find also believe Building 7 was loving exploded on purpose. I'm with you on this, he needs to disavow immediately and vociferously adopt the prevailing narrative that the 9/11 hijackers hated us for our freedoms and that's why we just had to go on to completely destabilize an entire region of the world leading to millions of deaths, to bring them the freedom they hate so much. If only his "campaign" would stop it's 9/11 trutherism - which is all I've ever seen it do - and maybe mention how we spend trillions to murder countless people overseas in the nebulous pursuit of maintaining our hegemony. God damnit Gravel, shut up about building seven and talk about the freedom we're desperately trying to give these backwards people at gunpoint. It's really stupid to care this much about a campaign (that won't win!) that just wants to get a message across that almost no one else even comes close to touching upon in the entirety of US politics. They aren't talking about 9/11 trutherism at all. Why the gently caress do you care?
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Apr 10, 2019 17:59
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Luckyellow posted:"Biden surely will flameout and drop in the polls anytime soon" says increasingly nervous local man. Technically he hasn't even flamed in yet.
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Apr 10, 2019 18:00
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hobotrashcanfires posted:I'm with you on this, he needs to disavow immediately and vociferously adopt the prevailing narrative that the 9/11 hijackers hated us for our freedoms and that's why we just had to go on to completely destabilize an entire region of the world leading to millions of deaths, to bring them the freedom they hate so much. This strawman is so big it's in danger of blotting out the sun.
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Apr 10, 2019 18:01
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I'd be more mad about Gravel being a 9/11 truther if the we hadn't spent the last two and half years labeling anyone that didn't believe the POTUS was a simulacrum controlled by a Russian Sorcerer King as a KGB agent.
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Apr 10, 2019 18:01
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:This strawman is so big it's in danger of blotting out the sun. Oh no, not a "strawman".
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Apr 10, 2019 18:03
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VH4Ever posted:Right, right, right, right, you're so much better a person than I am. I see that now. I'm not trying to present my position as morally superior, just laying out what my priorities are. And to answer your question, that depends on how our meddling in Venezuela goes.
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Apr 10, 2019 18:04
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hobotrashcanfires posted:Oh no, not a "strawman". lmao
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Apr 10, 2019 18:06
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I want to see Mike Gravel crash his (rhetorical) plane into centrist Democrat rhetoric and campaigns, and if he doesn’t think that will do the trick, I will accept a controlled rhetorical demolition instead.
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Apr 10, 2019 18:07
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Gravel's a joke why is anyone talking about him. The teens running his twitter was fun for a bit but can we move on now.
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Apr 10, 2019 18:08
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1116012669352468481 Comey was such a good pick.
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Apr 10, 2019 18:09
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hobotrashcanfires posted:Oh no, not a "strawman". You're insinuating that there's no daylight between "maybe we shouldn't put a guy on the debate stage who thinks aliens helped Bush knock down the towers" and "PURGE ALL THE UNCLEAN ANTI-IMPERIALISTS, FREEDOM ISN'T FREE OORAH DEVIL DOGS". I think maybe you need to take a breather.
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Apr 10, 2019 18:10
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No Safe Word posted:Gravel's a joke why is anyone talking about him. The teens running his twitter was fun for a bit but can we move on now. Took the words right out of my mouth, friend. Going forward I intend to. Just had a loose end to tie up there.
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Apr 10, 2019 18:11
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Let's not forget that in his 2008 presidential campaign, Gravel supported making English, and only English, the official language of The United States.
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Apr 10, 2019 18:13
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in conclusion, Mike Gavel is 70% correct and 30% wrong
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Apr 10, 2019 18:13
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VH4Ever posted:Yes. If the only such voices I could find also believe Building 7 was loving exploded on purpose. Booker believes in private charter schools and Harris believes in keeping people in jail for free labor which are both more damaging to the USA than 9/11 truther nonsense. Instead of shitposting the same thing again and again, please tell us what parts of the Gravel 2020 platform you disagree with.
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Apr 10, 2019 18:14
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He may have some bad ideas, but you can't Gavel the Gravel
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