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The Glumslinger posted:Wait, I thought it was close based on a shitload of exit polls? That looks like a slaughter from what i understand blue and white is running in opposition to likud, but their platform is basically likud without bibi's corruption and some noises made about stopping the rockets once and for all the election is neck and neck, but between two rightwing parties
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They've been calling themselves "The sane right". If they were actually different they'd be left or center though.
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Despite everything running against him Bibi still manages to remain in power huh? Can't say I'm surprised. But you'd think he'd be on the way out by now?
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Apr 10, 2019 05:47
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Quick question from a former Habonim Dror madrich : when the gently caress did Israeli politics get so super right wing that the left is barely visible anymore?
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Apr 10, 2019 05:58
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By popular demand posted:They've been calling themselves "The sane right".
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Gradually after the Rabin assassination and in the post 9/11 world it was all set. E: Gantz called Blue and White the sane right By popular demand fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Apr 10, 2019 |
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Apr 10, 2019 06:01
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Madkal posted:Quick question from a former Habonim Dror madrich : when the gently caress did Israeli politics get so super right wing that the left is barely visible anymore? 1948
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Apr 10, 2019 07:33
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By popular demand posted:93% reporting So if these results are correct Netanyahu forms a coalition that has 61 seats, giving him a majority of only 2. However the main opposition will be another right-wing party that will barely be a hindrance to any plans Likud have. All the other parties combined are still a distant third behind the opposition. Nothing is stopping Netanyahu doing whatever he wants
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Apr 10, 2019 08:32
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Well anyone who was into accelerationism is gonna get their wish now lol
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Apr 10, 2019 13:32
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The fact that people are so gloomy seems to indicate that ya'll let yourself get conned into some unwarranted optimism.
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Apr 10, 2019 13:42
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The guy who killed Rabin got what he wanted in the end
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Apr 10, 2019 13:46
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FlamingLiberal posted:The guy who killed Rabin got what he wanted in the end Netanyahu you mean.
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Apr 10, 2019 13:48
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FlamingLiberal posted:The guy who killed Rabin got what he wanted in the end He got it even before he killed Rabin, that's the whole joke.
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Apr 10, 2019 13:50
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Something I never understood; everyone in Israel speaks English right? The Hebrew is just for show?
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Madkal posted:Quick question from a former Habonim Dror madrich : when the gently caress did Israeli politics get so super right wing that the left is barely visible anymore? As far as I can tell, part of it is that the major left parties have spent the last couple decades drifting right and being virtually worthless as opposition, which has simultaneously turned off left-leaning voters and empowered the far right to draw more and more of the populace into right-wing rhetoric with stunts like defunding left-leaning entertainment and incentivizing more people to move into settlements.
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Apr 10, 2019 14:17
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HootTheOwl posted:Something I never understood; everyone in Israel speaks English right? The Hebrew is just for show? Lol? Israelis speak Hebrew with one another.
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HootTheOwl posted:Something I never understood; everyone in Israel speaks English right? The Hebrew is just for show?
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Apr 10, 2019 14:23
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mcmagic posted:Netanyahu you mean. quote:Rallies organized by Likud and other right-wing groups featured depictions of Rabin in a Nazi SS uniform, or in the crosshairs of a gun. Protesters compared the Labor party to the Nazis and Rabin to Adolf Hitler and chanted, "Rabin is a murderer" and "Rabin is a traitor". In July 1995, Netanyahu led a mock funeral procession featuring a coffin and hangman's noose at an anti-Rabin rally where protesters chanted, "Death to Rabin". The chief of internal security, Carmi Gillon, then alerted Netanyahu of a plot on Rabin's life and asked him to moderate the protests' rhetoric, which Netanyahu declined to do. Netanyahu denied any intention to incite violence. No wonder Bibi and Trump are such great friends. The same rhetoric is being used in the US now.
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Apr 10, 2019 14:51
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So, the west bank is gonna be annexed, like he promised?
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Elias_Maluco posted:So, the west bank is gonna be annexed, like he promised?
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FlamingLiberal posted:Probably, but I’m not even sure what the practical difference will be.
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Apr 10, 2019 15:19
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OhFunny posted:No wonder Bibi and Trump are such great friends. The same rhetoric is being used in the US now. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1115989820935819264
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Apr 10, 2019 15:50
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Flayer posted:The difference would be the sanctioned obliteration of any Arab villages in "unfortunate" locations. At the moment the policy is to slowly strangle the Arab presence but if parts of the West Bank were formally annexed then the army would move in and ethnically cleanse areas of interest.
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Apr 10, 2019 15:52
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Israel reelecting Bibi even after everything is like all those parts in the Bible where God patiently gives the evil people chance after chance to make amends but they're too arrogant to budge even an inch. looking forward to your divine destruction
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FlamingLiberal posted:Don’t they already do that? It's a question of magnitude.
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If there's anything to learn from the last three millennia of history it's that God doesn't conform to human cognitive expectations. That might be a good thing, I would have given up on humans after the second or third raping and pillaging army got organised. I'm so tired, About the level of English speaking in Israel: It varies in a major way mostly by generation: The first migrants to the state had mostly never learnt, People born in the 50's and 60's got into a reasonable level mostly by exposure to media (some words were borrowed with incorrect pronounciation), Millennials got taught in schools and adapted quickly to the rise of Information technology. You'll find that most Israelis speak in a level appropriate for business but struggle a bit in personal conversation.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Probably, but I’m not even sure what the practical difference will be. It could open up the ability for building in the West Bank to be treated exactly the same as building in Israel proper, without any need for special approvals, which could considerably speed up settlement expansion. Really, though, a lot depends on the details.
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https://twitter.com/halaljew/status/1116054004230971392 lol loving hell
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Gonzo McFee posted:lol loving hell No apartheid to see here.
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Not trying to suggest it isn't, just to drat ignorant to know, why are cameras a deterrent to voting? Like I sort of just assumed that Israel was a surveillance state already, is there targeted harassment of Arabs that they discover voting?
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JesusIsTehCool posted:Not trying to suggest it isn't, just to drat ignorant to know, why are cameras a deterrent to voting? Like I sort of just assumed that Israel was a surveillance state already, is there targeted harassment of Arabs that they discover voting? Suppose the Republican Party in the USA is handing out cameras to Klansmen so that they can install them in voting stations in Black districts.
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JesusIsTehCool posted:Not trying to suggest it isn't, just to drat ignorant to know, why are cameras a deterrent to voting? Like I sort of just assumed that Israel was a surveillance state already, is there targeted harassment of Arabs that they discover voting? Because the Israeli government can and will detain you without charges and torture you whenever they want to, especially if youre politically active.
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the idf will go into schools and arrest 9 year olds because they threw rocks.
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kidkissinger posted:Because the Israeli government can and will detain you without charges and torture you whenever they want to, especially if youre politically active. I guess my question was more, given you live in state that does the above and my assumption (maybe incorrect) that the Israeli government is already a mass surveillance state then why would the cameras be an additional deterrent? Maybe I am giving the Israeli government too much to assume that they already know who is voting where in their country, but I figured at this point the Arabs in that country assumed they are being watched at all times. Then again I don't pretend to understand the psychological stress the Palestinian people are under, maybe the mere reminder that they are being watched is enough to deter.
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JesusIsTehCool posted:Like I sort of just assumed that Israel was a surveillance state already It's an apartheid state. The UK is a surveillance state, but you can be 95% sure that surveillance won't be used by the state to enact literal violence against you for the crime of existing in society.
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JesusIsTehCool posted:I guess my question was more, given you live in state that does the above and my assumption (maybe incorrect) that the Israeli government is already a mass surveillance state then why would the cameras be an additional deterrent? Maybe I am giving the Israeli government too much to assume that they already know who is voting where in their country, but I figured at this point the Arabs in that country assumed they are being watched at all times. Then again I don't pretend to understand the psychological stress the Palestinian people are under, maybe the mere reminder that they are being watched is enough to deter. Because it's illegal for the cameras to be there. Do you really not get why people would be put off by the current ruling party, which is currently allying with literal fascists and trying to officially make Arabs second-class citizens, illegally placing cameras in voting areas and advertising the fact that they were the ones who did it? In the first place, why do you just assume that Israel is a "surveillance society", or that it somehow means that persecuted populations will be totally fine with finding Likud agents wielding hidden cameras in voting areas? The GOP pulled exactly the same stunt in 2016, minus cameras: calling for Trump supporters to stand around in their polling sites as "election observers" and confront or harass anyone they thought might be voting illegally (i.e., minorities).
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JesusIsTehCool posted:I guess my question was more, given you live in state that does the above and my assumption (maybe incorrect) that the Israeli government is already a mass surveillance state then why would the cameras be an additional deterrent? Maybe I am giving the Israeli government too much to assume that they already know who is voting where in their country, but I figured at this point the Arabs in that country assumed they are being watched at all times. Then again I don't pretend to understand the psychological stress the Palestinian people are under, maybe the mere reminder that they are being watched is enough to deter. It's not the cameras they're afraid of, it's the bloodthirsty fascist thugs who are placing the cameras.
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Bennet and Shaked are sadly apparently in, the soldier votes brought them to 3.26% of the vote (the threshold being 3.25%)
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Bennet and Shaked are sadly apparently in, the soldier votes brought them to 3.26% of the vote (the threshold being 3.25%) It will take 'till (after)noon no count all the special votes (soldiers, diplomats aboard, prisoners, etc) - but so far, apparently blue-white loses 2 seat, the right and the haredi loses one each.
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