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sean10mm posted:Assange almost certainly broke a bunch of laws, and could end up in the really bad US prison system, and is not going to be the victim of some CIA covert black op thing because everything has become super public worldwide already and that's literally the exact opposite of "covert." That's just what they want you to think. 
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Kaal posted:Not really. It's more of an observation that if he hadn't been living his dirty internet edgelord fantasies and suing Ecuador for "inhumane conditions" like paying for his own food and laundry, he'd probably still be living in the apartment that they built for him. "If the prisoner wanted books, he could pick books from the list we approved. If the prisoner wanted to brush his teeth, he can take a job earning pennies an hour and save up for the toothbrush we sell at the commissary." it_you.jpg
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Raenir Salazar posted:The issue is you made up a concern about protecting sources; mere non-specific hand wringing would have been less alarmist. It's not a made-up concern, though. The DoJ is still using legitimate behavior as evidence of a criminal conspiracy. I understand that that doesn't mean he's being charged for those actions, but given that the DoJ apparently has further charges in the works, it's entirely fair to speculate that they might be for publishing Manning's leaks. When I initially wrote the reply that started this conversation, it wasn't entirely clear to me that that fact pattern wasn't part of a charge for publishing.
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Angry_Ed posted:It is also the only way we'll get prison reform. Stop protecting the privileged from the horrors of the American Prison system. Make them face consequences. Sending the government's political enemies to torture prison doesn't actually seem like a thing that results in woke prison reform though.
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Apr 11, 2019 17:28
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:Haha Sweden is reopening the rape charges against Assange. Good. Yeah definitely. The sentence will probably be a year because of its extremity, though it could be as little as three months. He'll still be subject to all the charges and court hearings, etc., while in jail, which could include transfers, so he'll probably bounce around for a while before finding his forever home.
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Groovelord Neato posted:i'll never understand people agreeing to be interviewed by chotiner. This is about as lucid and coherent as Bret Easton Ellis has been for the last decade. Why anyone takes him seriously these days is completely beyond me.
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selec posted:LOL gotta empty out that safe before any of the Good Guys get unfortunate details leaked about them. The enquirer being purchased by a center-left outlet would undeniably be a good thing compared to the current situation The parent company owns nearly all of the supermarket checkout tabloids in the US, and was an important part of seeding the madness currently pointed towards the Clintons. Removing it as a source of right-wing propaganda would be a huge net positive for US discourse. If you want to know why millions of people KNOW that Hillary is a screaming harpy, but don't know why they think that? It's the Enquirer and their other companies.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Sending the government's political enemies to torture prison doesn't actually seem like a thing that results in woke prison reform though. Maybe don't break the loving law and think your position of privilege protects you from consequences, then. Or are you now trying to tell us that Paul Manafort, Martin Shkreli, et. al are political prisoners who should be set free
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Kaal posted:Yeah definitely. The sentence will probably be a year because of its extremity, though it could be as little as three months. He'll still be subject to all the charges and court hearings, etc., while in jail, which could include transfers, so he'll probably bounce around for a while before finding his forever home. See this makes sense. mdemone posted:I guarantee he is on a plane over the Atlantic right now. This is silly.
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Apr 11, 2019 17:31
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mcmagic posted:IDK what's funnier, these charges against him or Avanatti on the debate stage. It's fun to see a blowhard get their comeuppance, but the underlying facts really aren't humorous at all. He had a client who was left a paraplegic after an assbeating from the cops. Avenatti not only stole the settlement money and left the guy destitute, he apparently deliberately hosed up the guy's access to social services in order to hide the crime. That's vile.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:It's not a made-up concern, though. The DoJ is still using legitimate behavior as evidence of a criminal conspiracy. I understand that that doesn't mean he's being charged for those actions, but given that the DoJ apparently has further charges in the works, it's entirely fair to speculate that they might be for publishing Manning's leaks. When I initially wrote the reply that started this conversation, it wasn't entirely clear to me that that fact pattern wasn't part of a charge for publishing. Destroying evidence of a crime is in of itself a crime.
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Groovelord Neato posted:i'll never understand people agreeing to be interviewed by chotiner. 'I think the leftwing is the party of dangerous extremists." "But what about trump doing this or this?" "Oh, I don't care about politics."
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I like American Psycho as much as anyone but BEE is an avowed misogynist and should be ignored.
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Private Speech posted:He's literally being charged of conspiring with Manning. He's not going to be put on trial for publishing leaks, so you get your wish.
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Apr 11, 2019 17:40
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selec posted:"If the prisoner wanted books, he could pick books from the list we approved. If the prisoner wanted to brush his teeth, he can take a job earning pennies an hour and save up for the toothbrush we sell at the commissary." Ah yes, the ravages inflicted by the Embassy of Ecuador, such as "forced wearing of pants while in public", "mandatory feeding of cats", "required showering", etc. Basically a torture gulag.
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Apr 11, 2019 17:41
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It's amazing how much breathe people waste on Assange vs those murdered journos who published panama papers.
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quote:There are a lot of things to get angry about : children being separated from their parents, Trump saying nice things about marchers in Charlottesville. What is it that bothers you about this? well, whatever
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Ghetto SuperCzar posted:those murdered journos who published panama papers. Wait what?
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Kaal posted:Not really. It's more of an observation that if he hadn't been living his dirty internet edgelord fantasies and suing Ecuador for "inhumane conditions" like paying for his own food and laundry, he'd probably still be living in the apartment that they built for him. "I don't care about any nuance or point you're making because whatever happens to him is his own fault" is actually distilled republicanism.
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I feel like going after Assange is a net negative for Trump. His base is probably 75% paranoid conspiracy theorist anti-deep staters now. He'd be better off pardoning him.
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The Sean posted:well, whatever Christ that guy's an rear end in a top hat. "Nothing you're worried about is concerning or troubling to me because there's people who are fine with it."
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Arturo Ui posted:I feel like going after Assange is a net negative for Trump. His base is probably 75% paranoid conspiracy theorist anti-deep staters now. He'd be better off pardoning him. It's mostly ordinary old suburban whites actually.
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Munkeymon posted:Wait what? The journalist who published the Panama Papers was killed by a car bomb in Malta when doing investigative reporting on organized crime. edit: Christ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne_Caruana_Galizia#Death quote:On 4 December 2017, Maltese prime minister Joseph Muscat announced that ten individuals had been arrested in connection to the investigation, three of whom were later charged with executing the assassination.[14][75] None of the three suspects have been brought to trial. None of the intermediaries and mandators have been identified and prosecuted. Malta's prime minister continues to block a public inquiry into the circumstances of Daphne Caruana Galizia's assassination, in violation of the European Convention on Human Rights. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Apr 11, 2019 |
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Petr posted:"I don't care about any nuance or point you're making because whatever happens to him is his own fault" is actually distilled republicanism. Maybe, but that's not what he was saying at all. Go back and re-read what you were responding to. He was pointing out that ultimately the revocation of asylum was due more to pedestrian housemate issues than criminal indictments or international politics. Which is absolutely true.
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Perhaps Assange will be cell neighbors with Manafort and Cohen.
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The Sean posted:well, whatever who the gently caress is this moron? least he has a pattern.
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Petr posted:"I don't care about any nuance or point you're making because whatever happens to him is his own fault" is actually distilled republicanism. The widows of RussiaGate needed some release from their 20+ months of blue balls, so I guess Assange's downfall somehow qualifies. They'll worry about startling precedents a year or so from now, and then deny the useless glee they felt. It's the cycle of life.
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Arturo Ui posted:I feel like going after Assange is a net negative for Trump. His base is probably 75% paranoid conspiracy theorist anti-deep staters now. He'd be better off pardoning him. But pardoning him for Bush-era crimes is going to piss off lot of his base as well, appearing as approval for whistleblowers no matter the political spectrum. Assange was a liberal darling up until the Obama administration.
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Angry_Ed posted:Maybe don't break the loving law and think your position of privilege protects you from consequences, then. Nobody said anyone was a political prisoner that should be set free, including Assange. Jesus christ, why do so many people here have to be so loving disingenuous about this
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Chilichimp posted:Christ that guy's an rear end in a top hat. Ah, I see you have not previously been aware of Bret Easton Ellis. "rear end in a top hat" is basically his defining character trait.
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Groovelord Neato posted:i'll never understand people agreeing to be interviewed by chotiner. Boy if anyone could ever mouth breathe in a picture, this guy is it.
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mdemone posted:Ah, I see you have not previously been aware of Bret Easton Ellis. "rear end in a top hat" is basically his defining character trait. I mean you could just as easily say Trump is terrible because well, more than half the country and an entire side of the aisle seems to be unified behind him being bad.
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mdemone posted:Ah, I see you have not previously been aware of Bret Easton Ellis. "rear end in a top hat" is basically his defining character trait. I'm kind of surprised he could stop complaining about millennials long enough to defend Trump. That really seems to be the only thing he's done for several years now.
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Ghetto SuperCzar posted:It's amazing how much breathe people waste on Assange vs those murdered journos who published panama papers. Be the posts you want to see in the thread
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theflyingorc posted:The enquirer being purchased by a center-left outlet would undeniably be a good thing compared to the current situation Yeah, it’s been a tool for some rich people to target other rich people for a while. Don’t see that changing unless they close up shop.
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Chilichimp posted:The journalist who published the Panama Papers was killed by a car bomb in Malta when doing investigative reporting on organized crime. loving hell that's gross. Guessing the EU can't just swoop in and take over the prosecution like the feds can in similar situations here in the US :\
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Chilichimp posted:I mean you could just as easily say Trump is terrible because well, more than half the country and an entire side of the aisle seems to be unified behind him being bad. More than half the country did not vote for trump
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Dapper_Swindler posted:who the gently caress is this moron? Assuming you aren't asking rhetorically, he is a fiction author. Works you might know are Less Than Zero, Rules of Attraction, and American Psycho. For further context, from the article: quote:Sorry, you keep going back and forth here between racism and supposed racism. Do you think he is racist or not? I'm surprised he didn't Freudian slip and say it was the father Brett Easton Ellis never had.
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